Worried about coronavirus thread 24

[ofwarren]

Sorry everyone, I was watching that shambles of a press conference

Btw, if the gov't says businesses have to close, then yes, staff still get paid. I don't think the insurance broker who informed us of this today was joking.

Possibly not but when said businesses go bust afterwards, you have nowhere to turn

There is so much sport going ahead this weekend, and I'm talking kids sport, none of this is essential, it should have been postponed.

I think i agree with @Sunshinegirl82. China style lockdown can't work long term can it? I mean they can't stop the virus coming back there eventually unless they quarantine visitors basically forever.

SubjectMatterExpert it really gets on my nerves when I know that our government patronises us as if we were a nation of dimwits.

Just to add to @NoddyMcPintsAlot point about the situation in Ireland. A lot of people are saying it's too soon, there's no point taking the kids out of school for just 2 weeks etc.

Our schools/crèches/colleges etc are closed until 29th March. Prior to that the situation will be monitored and this shutdown could be extended. We believe it will be. Most schools are set to finish up for Easter hols on 3rd April. So we expect that the closure will be extended to then and run into the 2 week Easter break. That would be 5 weeks off in total. And w I I'd surely help with the containment effort.

Dept of Ed has advised parents to practice social distancing amongst children, limit play dates and gatherings etc during this time.

All social and extra curricular clubs are cancelled. Sports. Girl Guides. Band. Etc

JUST IN: The Premier League confirms that matches will go ahead this weekend with fans in attendance
The spectator

@drmadeline PPE is used by the ambulance service/health care professionals when assessing ANY patients presenting with cold like symptoms now. Therefore this is most definitely not confirmation there is a case in your area. It is a precautionary measure.

Dr we are. Nothing else can explain the decisions the voters have made in the last 4 years.

I just googled ' who the fuck is janet?' im very tired, Im off to bed, sleep is proven to help the immune system.

@nellodee I hear you & completely agree. As do many of the world’s leading epidemiologists, the WHO & countries who have faced this fire.
I can’t shout about this anymore. The UK is taking its own road. I am now pulling my kids out of school, I have stocked our vulnerable family members with food & meds, donated hygiene supplies to local schools, donation to food banks. I think it’s time we need to safe guard what we can of civil society & human decency. Take some personal responsibility for ourselves & our communities. If any of you can minimise social contact, then I think it is your civic duty to do so to lessen the burden on the NHS. Thank you to everyone of you who works in the NHS, you are total heroes & we can never thank you enough.

Going to bed feeling really unsettled tonight. Just doesn’t make sense to me, however many ‘experts’ are quoted, why we are doing things differently. It seems we are relying too heavily on the behavioural science vs the medical science and ignoring the fact that if people are genuinely scared, most will probably do what they are instructed to do by the government. I feel like it’s a collective suicide and I feel really really unsettled.

Nellodee

Don’t bother, you can’t argue with stupid.

Actually, if the gov't would allow wide spread testing, our business would not go bust because then it would be confirmed that there were local CV cases and our business interruption insurance kicks in.

Staff would get paid even in a forced closure and the business hopefully carries on. Win-win. Except you seem to feel that anyone asking for wider testing is being completely unreasonable.

But thanks for the sympathy. Much appreciated.

France is closing schools as of Monday. Wonder how long before we do anything beyond advising pensioners not to go on a cruise !

So I spent the afternoon dealing with business related matters and have now RTFT and am keeping half an eye on Sky News Live.

What I am baffled by is the "meh, tracking the numbers ain't really important" message. FFS everything that happens in the world now is governed by data and algorithms. In our technological age, this is our great advantage. It informs everything from disease spread to what brand of toothpaste we buy. In this situation tight observation and recording is surely vital, from tracking source of infection to the symptoms to the rate of transmission to duration of disease including risks of co morbidity. All of these things are essential to formulate our collective response and minimise deaths and suffering, plus to manage the likely economic effects. As I have said before, these things are all inextricably intertwined. If we have the technology to explore space, monitor seismic activity and predict social trends and by extension manipulate them, then why TF aren't all these resources being funnelled into what is being described as the greatest public health crisis in decades?

I just don't get it. Yes the NHS is under pressure but how difficult can it be to implement community testing to give a clear picture of transmission. If it's down to a quick finger prick test being sent to be tested at a designated lab, then stations could have been set up weeks ago and labs set up - I really don't buy the idea that we are so far behind the capabilites of China that this could not have been done.

Yes, we may ALL have it to some degree - it is the risk of transmission to high risk groups that is the concern, and if asymptomatic people are the highest pathogen shedders then this should be factored in.
Informed choices cannot be made if information is not gathered, is not gathered or recorded effectively or is actively suppressed.

Elections are manipulated and swung by data - why can't the spread of a virus?

Don’t bother, you can’t argue with stupid

PMSL at the superiority of those who think scientific experts are ‘stupid’

No one has any definitive answers here

I prefer to rely on people who’ve been studying things like this for years than ‘I’ve googled it so I’m an expert’ randoms on the Internet

Mac12 well said.

We have done the same.

Just so utterly surreal. Feels like a bad dream.

Led by idiots into a disaster thy could be at least partially averted.

And supported by hordes of idiots who can’t understand the science, or see what is staring them in the face.

Estonia declares state of emergency, closes schools, and bans public gatherings due to coronavirus
BNO NEWSROOM

And another....
Like I have already said, WHY is everyone else doing this but we aren't??
You cannot say that ALL these countries are getting it wrong and only our "special British science" is right.
This is going to be an absolute disaster.

Random thank you for one of the rare laughs for me tonight

advising pensioners not to go on a cruise

This just beggars belief, doesn’t it. Honestly, different planet

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@Bearbehind:

dr the chief scientific officer today acknowledged the likely number is at least 10 times higher than the positive result we have

What do we gain by testing and proving that?

Well for a start we’d get to see if the CMO’s theory behind the speculated 1% case fatality rate was correct or not wouldn’t we (i.e. evidence of the hidden iceberg theory, for which none has been found in China DESPITE mass testing).

#Bearbehind
But this is exactly what you are doing!
You are putting blind faith in the UKs chief medical officer when the rest of Europe seems to be doing something else.
Why are you not listening to THOSE experts?

OldQueen is it not just that they are not doing the contact tracing any more?

I'm sure some sampling will go on to solve the question of how many are asymptomatic cases as part of research.

ofwarren
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