TOTAL AND UTTER MADNESS

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I am totally amazed at the attitude of our Government! Thousands of Spanish football fans have travelled from coronavirus-hit Madrid to the UK for a football game in Liverpool tonight. Madrid has parts on lockdown and are not allowed to gather on mass there, yet they can fly here!!
Total madness!
All true here is the link to the Liverpool Echo
www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/news/liverpool-news/liverpool-mps-gary-lineker-question-17905004

bloddy hell coronovirusbonkers that's a terrible thing to write.

From the editor of The Lancet.

www.thelondoneconomic.com/news/government-is-playing-roulette-with-the-public-as-uk-coronavirus-cases-hit-456/11/03/amp/?__twitter_impression=true

Honestly you know what a lot of the pensioners who will die probably voted to fuck all us over by voting for Brexit and the Tories, struggling to wonder why we’re actually now meant to give a fuck about protecting them from CV when they couldn’t give a damn about the rest of us.

Reading the above only brings home the fact that there are far more evil life forms out there than coronavirus.

Vile.

twitter.com/BBCNewsnight/status/1237874103970758656

“We’ve got a complacent attitude… & we’ve wasted a month. If this now spreads the way it looks as though it’s likely to spread, there will not be enough hospital beds & people will have to be nursed at home”

Nursed by who at home?

There are many other strategies that we could also be using. And things don’t have to be nothing... then complete lockdown.

Social distancing could have been introduced in an incremental way already. Social distancing could be set up for each cluster.

Testing wider and more accurately for emerging clusters. South Korea have done an amazing job and found some very important clusters.

More accurate and transparent information seems very effective too, see S Korea and Singapore. The more you tell the public, the better it is. The more you encourage people to act and do it together with the right information it seems, the better.

I just don’t understand the wait for the big numbers... then catch it big policy? The flatter the curve, the better able we are to cope.

Waste of time anyway the Pool lost 3 -2 !

Most of the experts aren't suggesting these kinds of decisions are wise, or even remotely ok. Most of the experts (just not Boris's special experts, who are behavioural scientists who "are trying, in a way that hasn’t been done before"....) think it's dangerous and scary.

That's crazy

I’ve just seen more experts on the news saying we should already be quarantining all arrivals, postponing large events and closing schools. They’re frustrated by the government’s lethargy.

One from the World Health Organisation saying it’s time (and he clearly means it’s already late) to stop cherry-picking a few measures when we should be doing them all.

It would be convenient for this government if, say, half a million old people died after working 40-50 years and before developing expensive care needs.

@raskolnikova

Very good point.

Large outdoor events aren’t an issue in themselves - it’s the bar afterwards.

I think most people are doing what they can, good hygiene, not travelling without thought, sticking up, being vigilant.

You simply can’t have a huge lockdown with 10 deaths over 2 weeks.When the majority of infected recover. That’s bonkers

Doctors are being told not to talk to the press or post on social media. They disagree with the lack of testing and isolation and the fact that partners and children of those isolating are allowed to still go and infect schools and work places.
Did you not know that being british makes you magically immune? We won't get it and are all fine.......
Please tell that to all the parents of kids going through chemo or have heart disease or cystic fibrosis.

I am still a bit 🤨 that Cheltenham race week went ahead. Ok it's outdoors etc but that many people? Some of whom will have flown/travelled a moon? Concerts cancelled and a friend who WFH lost a £100 client today because client might have to lose £xxxx for childcare. Friend still has mortgage. The potential knock on effect is terrifying. And no, nothing constructive to add I know but I'm freakishly calmly freaking. (Mum to 3, the youngest of which seems to get anything going!)

I would urge you all to watch the first part of the Andrew Neil programme that was on tonight . It was very informative and sensible .

Unlike a lot of the posts on here.

Thinkingabout1t

Really ?

I personally think it’s selfish to use this as a political football .

The government are taking advice from the CMO . And the advice may all change tomorrow.

@Coronavirusbonkers fucking hell. I've read some nasty shit on here over the years but that was low. I voted remain and Labour but wouldn't wish anyone dead. Your moral compass is screwed.

My ex told DS that it was apparently rumoured that there was going to be an announcement on Sunday..

Now bbc saying we are expected to move from containment to delay after tomorrow’s cobra meeting.

Personally I don’t agree with lockdowns at this stage. truth is that there is as yet little evidence that lockdown has any more than a temporary impact. Italy has been on lockdown since the beginning of this week and numbers are still going up. China is just coming out of lockdown but it will be a couple of weeks before they can know for certain whether there has been a longer term positive impact.

At the end of the day this virus is going to spread whether that be this week or in three weeks time. Lockdowns cannot be more than a short sharp measure so if we close everything now then in two/three weeks we’ll be going back to square1.

And anyone downplaying the impact on the economy is extremely naive. This isn’t just about a few people losing their jobs, this is about complete meltdown of the whole of the country’s economy with tens perhaps hundreds of thousands of jobs at risk.

Surely there's lots of good evidence for early lockdowns, @AlternativePerspective? There are a number of very clear peer-reviewed pieces about the impact of early lockdowns on overall mortality rate for previous influenza epidemics.

I would imagine that is why so many other countries, and the WHO, feel there is enough evidence to justify it?

The trouble is that I can't see any clear evidence for doing nothing (as we currently seem to be not-doing...)

If you cancelled a big open air football match what do you think would happen ? Everyone would squeeze into pubs to watch it on the big screens . The government can not stop the virus . They can try and slow the spread down so that the nhs can try and deal with it . That’s all.

Use your own common sense and try and pull together to protect the most vunerable .

The economy being protected is YOUR salary and your food delivery and your gas and electricity. It's your nursery and your GP and local hospital.

I'm starting to wish they'd shut the country down just so we can see your faces when the penny drops.

Italy has been on lockdown since the beginning of this week and numbers are still going up.

Of course they are. Lockdown can't undo the infections that have already happened and have been incubating.

According to Peston tonight a member of the Cabinet has (or is suspected of having, but I think he actually said has) the virus but he wouldn't name them.

Raab must be the top guess after today's performance in the HoC.

I know MANY people with the symptoms who are being told they don't need to be tested. We should be testing all people who are ill surely?