Worried about coronavirus thread 22

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BCF
Random18 said the WHO are shit. Not you.

OK, sorry

@BigChocFrenzy I did not invent it. It was not you who said it and I did not mention your name.

I watched what WHO did around Ebola and the amazing work their staff did to try and get that under control and prevent more deaths. They know far more about highly infectious pandemics and how to control them than Boris.
It is so obvious Boris is putting the economy first. And I am so angry that I may leave my kids without a mother because of this policy.
Bloody herd immunity. What that means is more people die.

Even simple measures like a deep clean of any school where someone goes who has been tested positive for the virus is not happening. That is a pretty basic action.

What amazes me is how S Korea managed to test over 210,000 people

After they nail down their epidemic, can we hire them ?

@allout is it really saying it’s going for herd immunity? Could you link? I can’t find that, I’m not saying you are wrong.

Outrageous that deep cleans are not being done as standard

They are one of several measures in Germany,
which may be why there is much less pressure to close schools here - a lot else is being done, so people don't feel so desperate

@BigChocFrenzy I found it fascinating to read how S Korea and Singapore are using technology to track, and the testing is phenomenal and very effective. If we did this more effectively it would be key. They seem to have better health outcomes too as early cases, within hours tested, are treated really well.

I do think social distancing is important however on these threads I find that it can be the only focus, and only big measures. Targeted measures, and case tracking continue to be crucial I think looking at other countries. We should push UK to upscale these.

For those who (understandably) are clinging to the “but it hasn’t got bad in the hospitals here yet, so it can’t be that widespread” please read the comments by the critical care high consequences infectious diseases doctor on reddit:

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“In a little over a week our (national) critical care occupancy for COVID has increased from 1 to ~20. There are a number of patients now on ECMO.

Perhaps more worryingly, we have positive tests in a number of inpatients, on open wards, across different sites, with no travel history.

A significant number of new diagnoses are patients presenting to the emergency department with hypoxaemia, fever, lymphopaenia, bilateral CXR infiltrates. This wasn't happening a week ago.”

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We’re nowhere near Italy level yet, obviously, but it’s coming. And this thing blows up abruptly, as he also says (and Italian doctors have said):

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“Again, my personal opinion, is there is a problem in the UK amongst decision makers with denial, and concern about the political optics of early population measures that affect the economy. The problem is, with outbreaks like this, you won't see that you are about to be overwhelmed until the day before, and you needed to have taken action at least two weeks before that. Lessons from China, from South Korea, and current lessons from Italy and Iran are not being listened to.”

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He also comments on these Covid ICU numbers being kept from the press “for some reason.”

www.reddit.com/r/Coronavirus/comments/fgfspi/im_a_critical_care_doctor_working_in_a_uk_hcid/

it really seems to be worry about their kids, not older people

BCF you said that re schools, but I really don't think it is just that. After all, most parents have heard all about kids hardly being at risk.

In my case it's vulnerabilities in the adults of the families that are more of a worry, and secondary to that, worrying how kids would be cared for either during parental illness or worse if one or both of us died.

@freezinggold It is being talked about in a lot of the media as what needs to happen, as if it is the only option.

www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-51828000

@Freezingold Yes WHO said today that case tracking is still crucial

Trump says US to stop all travel from Europe (excluding UK) for 30 days from midnight on Friday.

Tom Hanks and his wife both test positive for Covid-19 according to his Twitter account (they are both in Australia).
mobile.twitter.com/tomhanks/status/1237909897020207104

@alloutoffucks thanks. I see that although it often has to be quite high for herd immunity, and new clusters can emerge, maybe they should reframe it as keeping older people socially distanced through peak waves. As it will not be clear how long and virulent this is at coming back. Also, a bit cross it says ‘is considering’. Honestly the time is now to be clear about what the hell this means. Other countries are, like saying visitations to care homes stopped, over 60s advises to do etc... just smacks of unpreparedness.

US President Donald Trump has announced sweeping new travel restrictions on Europe in a bid to combat the spread of the coronavirus.
In a televised address on Wednesday, he said all travel from Europe would be suspended for the next 30 days.
But he said the "strong but necessary" restrictions would not apply to the UK, where 460 cases of the virus have now been confirmed.

Other than his golf courses in Scotland I didn’t understand why the U.K. is exempt.

Unless uk airports will be used as filter with enhanced testing ? - ban applies to goods also. Also applies to americans (other than ill defined ‘certain’ categories).
Is there anything to stop someone from France flying to Canada and then on etc ? What a mess.

My child’s school are not following the governments advice on hand washing. The children do not get told to wash their hands at all during the whole school day, not even before lunch!

I spoke to the school and was told that the children can wash their hands if they want to and that the school is being proactive as they have alcohol hand gel around the school for the children to use but they are never told to use it, they said it’s down to the children to think and do it themselves, bearing in mind this is a primary school, so the children are young. My husband and I would be in the at risk group if we caught it and I explained this to school. I am going to call them again tomorrow to raise my concerns but I feel I shouldn’t have to be badgering them about basic hand hygiene. I have heard some parents have already taken their children out of other schools due to risk so am unsure what to do.

@heronlanyon
I'm guessing geography wasn't trump's strong point. With the porous border to Canada and the UK, they are not going to have a clue where people are from.
But with the lack of testing in the USA, it's probably a blessing for Europe.

News from us - travel ban, Tom hanks and wife in Australia have both been diagnosed with cv, nba season suspended for at least a month.

new his name currently is ‘moronavirus’ which shouldn’t be funny for a few reasons, but is !
Slightly worried if uk airports become easy conduit for transatlantic travel - not great for our own viral security surely ?

Looks like US travel ban applies to Schengen area countries only, so Ireland also exempt as well as others like Croatia, Romania, Bulgaria plus non EU member European countries.
mobile.twitter.com/lewis_goodall/status/1237919054561673221

Working link:
mobile.twitter.com/lewis_goodall/status/1237919790297239555

2 cases in a school in Carlisle and the school gets told to stay open..... this is complete madness

www.newsandstar.co.uk/news/18299127.coronavirus-carlisle-second-case-trinity-school-confirmed-school-will-remain-open/

Yes my feeling is Trinity ought to close (at least for all years other than 11 and 13) for a full deep clean and stay closed for the fortnight up to Easter hols to give time for more cases to come to light. At least they're saying they'll authorise absence if parents choose to keep their children off while the new case is investigated.

There must surely now be significant community spread, a cluster of undiagnosed cases.