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Health Minister has Coronavirus - will the Cabinet self isolate

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chomalungma · 10/03/2020 22:29

Nadine Dorres has Coronavirus. Just confirmed,

What does this mean for Government

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fedup21 · 11/03/2020 07:44

If they decide to stop parliament sitting because an MP has tested positive but want the rest of us to carry on working, commuting and schooling as normal (with anyone testing positive spraying their desk sprayed with Dettol and staying at home whilst their colleagues do their work) won’t their be mass civil unrest?!

Hoik · 11/03/2020 07:46

Civil unrest? Do you mean "people online will grumble a bit"? I don't think MPs going to work/not going to work will kick off riots.

LoveNursing · 11/03/2020 07:48

They haven't asked people to isolate contacts or contacts:

My local store found someone positive: the store closed for deep cleaning and everyone returned the next day (except for the one person who tested positive).
Wouldn't want to shop there but can see how you can't isolate everyone unless they've got it.

They'd be out and then back in isolation again the same day at that rate!

chomalungma · 11/03/2020 07:52

If they decide to stop parliament sitting because an MP has tested positive but want the rest of us to carry on working, commuting and schooling as normal

I think that Government need to set an example - if there are rules, then they need to be followed. Either you have a procedure that people need to follow or you don't.

Otherwise people will not follow the advice.

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fedup21 · 11/03/2020 08:00

I think that Government need to set an example - if there are rules, then they need to be followed. Either you have a procedure that people need to follow or you don't.

Exactly my point.

Whatever parliament decide to do with this information (continue as normal.., or close) is what every business and school should be doing.

chomalungma · 11/03/2020 10:03

Rachael Maskell, York MP, is self isolating because she had a meeting with Nadine Dorres last week.

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HebeMumsnet · 11/03/2020 10:09

Morning everyone! We're just moving this over to the Coronavirus topic.

BIWI · 11/03/2020 10:14

even on MN it gets hidden away in its own topic

PMSL that somehow you think there are hidden nooks and crannies on MN! The whole point of having different topics is so that people can find things that interest them. I wish @MNHQ would move threads more often into their rightful topics, instead of having everything lumped into AIBU!

WorraLiberty · 11/03/2020 10:17

I don't really care where the thread goes but I must admit I did laugh at the thought of a Coronavirus thread being hidden away in the actual Coronavirus topic Grin

BIWI · 11/03/2020 10:18

Maybe it's contagious? Grin

WorraLiberty · 11/03/2020 10:22

Yes, make it self isolate for 2 weeks and then stick it back in AIBU Grin

Tiredmumno1 · 11/03/2020 10:25

@BIWI @WorraLiberty

😂😂😂

chomalungma · 11/03/2020 10:31

That's not what I was told last night. I was told it would stay. Looks like MNHQ has conflicting advice.

The Government might be self isolating but God forbid this should be discussed on the main area.

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VivaLeBeaver · 11/03/2020 10:37

I think recovered counts as can't be picked up by lab tests. Apparently people often feel well sometime before the virus can no longer be detected.

EUnamechange · 11/03/2020 12:27

I was truly frightened for a moment until I reread the news article. Nadine Dorries is a health minister. She’s not Minister for Health.

Hopefully this is reassuring: The Ministers and Secretaries of State are not usually experts in their field. Nadine Dorries etc are being advised by teams of hundreds of extremely experienced civil servants, supported by thousands more, within their ministries/departments, and in the case of her department, agencies like Public Health England, which also has a lot of expertise and loads of high experienced doctors (as in consultant level) and scientists.

When the Ministers and even the PM announce measures, they've not been sitting up at night reading all the academic papers themselves and making risk decisions and then figuring out how to actually make that happen! Instead the ministers may give some policy guidance (like "make Brexit work", thanks for that one, very helpful; or "we need to reform the education system"). Then the civil servants draw up some options, in detail, based on best scientific advice and their expert knowledge of how to actually deploy.

In the case of Covid-19 the ministers will have given some preferences (maybe "slow this down but try not to bugger up the economy") but as a health emergency will be even more reliant on previous emergency plans being adapted for the new situation, again by the civil servants.

The plans are worked up, then go through increasingly senior levels, until a few options are selected and presented to the minister. The minister listens (hopefully), and reads the briefing papers (these can be anything from 2 pages, for those who struggle with focus, to 100 page docs for ministers who like detail). The civil servants will give pros and cons of each, and likely impact. Then sometimes the way forward is clear and they just go "ok"; if it's closer, or politically sensitive, then the minister has to make the decision between the choices presented. Then the civil service delivery bit steps in and the people who make things happen, as opposed to policy, go and make it happen.

Think about it - whenever there's a reshuffle, the new minister isn't chosen because they've got a degree in transport planning, or education (though CS often wish they did), nor do they need to spend years learning their new brief. They just slide in and start receiving the briefs and advice, and make decisions, and if they've got particular policies in mind, they'll ask the CS to work them up into plans to see if they'd actually work on the ground. And when a minister takes a question in Parliament, they haven't written the answer they give - the civil servants and agencies have; same with any non-political speeches at events.

In an emergency you could actually take out all the ministers, and the ministries would keep ticking over. Or you just slide in a new minister and life continues as normal.

BIWI · 11/03/2020 12:36

@chomalungma

The Government might be self isolating but God forbid this should be discussed on the main area.

What do you mean?! There is no main area! There's just Mumsnet, with lots of different boards and topics. Why do insist that things are being hidden?

Surely you don't think that AIBU is the 'main area' of Mumsnet? Hmm

NeckPainChairSearch · 11/03/2020 12:54

Surely you don't think that AIBU is the 'main area' of Mumsnet

To be fair, since the Trending Topics are dominated by AIBU every single day, I can well understand why people DO think that AIBU is a kind of hub.

stripes416 · 11/03/2020 13:07

Just watching the budget, has anybody noticed how many of them are touching their faces and putting their hands to their mouths

Alsohuman · 11/03/2020 14:05

Just watching the budget, has anybody noticed how many of them are touching their faces and putting their hands to their mouths

Unsurprising, it’s a wellknown unconscious sign of lying.

MrSkinnyLegsSpider · 11/03/2020 14:16

It sounds like the cough and chest problems come about a week after the illness starts in many cases so she may have that to come.

willowpatterns · 11/03/2020 16:03

Aw bless. Still, never mind eh. I expect she is resting at home, reminiscing over her time on I'm a Celebrity get me out of here, and mulling over some new storylines for her latest novel.

BIWI · 11/03/2020 22:14

@NeckPainChairSearch

To be fair, since the Trending Topics are dominated by AIBU every single day, I can well understand why people DO think that AIBU is a kind of hub

Well maybe there is a silver lining to all these coronavirus threads then - that people realise there's more to MN than AIBU! Grin

VivaLeBeaver · 12/03/2020 06:14

My money is on Dominic Raab having it.

bellinisurge · 12/03/2020 06:20

Matt Hancock presumably.
Raab looked peaky during the budget but I suppose getting found out as being useless in a big job does that to you.

Bouledeneige · 12/03/2020 09:44

I just read that Tom Hanks and his wife have got it in Australia where he's filming. He was doing lots of selfies whilst sightseeing at the weekend.

Not that I see the lovely Mr Hanks in the same category as the sinister Raab or school prefect Hancock.

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