The Lancet coronavirus hub - latest research and comment www.thelancet.com/coronavirus. Please provide updated link if possible, I haven't been able to make this one work.

JAMA coronavirus research centre jamanetwork.com/journals/jama/pages/coronavirus-alert

For research on CV and babies:
jamanetwork.com/journals/jama/fullarticle/2761659

Please add in other links for any wanting to increase their understanding and decrease their anxiety!

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Round up of one-liners gathered from the wisdoms across the threads, with links...

Work is progressing on vaccine, take 1yr -18 mths for safe use.
First human trials of vaccine started
www.livescience.com/us-coronavirus-vaccine-trial-recruiting.html

Advice for anxiety
www.cci.health.wa.gov.au/Resources/Looking-After-Yourself/Anxiety

WHO advice to the public
www.who.int/emergencies/diseases/novel-coronavirus-2019/advice-for-public

Specialist asthma sufferers advice here:
www.asthma.org.uk/about/media/news/Coronavirus/

In the coming days, guidance for healthcare professionals on Coronavirus (COVID-19) infection in pregnancy will be published by the RCOG, Royal College of Midwives, Royal College of Paediatrics and Child Health, Public Health England and Health Protection Scotland
....
www.rcog.org.uk/coronavirus-pregnancy

A plea,

to remember to help food banks stay stocked up
to give older, or maybe lone, neighbours your phone number with offers to help with shopping and medicine collections

Life expectancy of virus on surfaces
www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0195670120300463#

sodium hypochlorite drum to kill virus

The stance on profiteering from CV
www.gov.uk/government/news/cma-statement-on-sales-and-pricing-practices-during-coronavirus-outbreak

A survivors story - only ONE story remember!
www.bbc.co.uk/news/av/world-asia-51714162/how-i-recovered-from-coronavirus-and-isolation

Irreversible lung damage? Aids/sars effects
amp.news.com.au/lifestyle/health/health-problems/chinese-doctors-say-coronavirus-like-a-combination-of-sars-and-aids-can-cause-irreversible-lung-damage/news-story/f58f19c5eeae99b845c54e2d2b9305ca?__twitter_impression=true

The efficacy, or otherwise of sanitisers
www.bics.org.uk/coronavirus-dr-andrew-kemp-jp-phd-reports/

Sign the petition for action against CV19
petition.parliament.uk/petitions/300403

Travelling, making other decisions around
exposure
read up, noone can decide for you, but be aware...
Your mode of transport (train/boat/plane) is unlikely to be disinfected.
You may not be welcome back at work (forced isolation unpaid because you decided to take risk)
Getting stuck in quarantine in another country, subjected to their health service and govt restrictions on you.
What happens with your dc and school upon return.
Holiday insurance cover?

Positive ways of coping

Exercise daily, out where you won't be in close proximity (greater than 2 metres)

Eat well, healthy foods, plenty of liquid

Include natural antivirals in diet and good levels of daily vit c

Rest

Take steps to address any raised anxiety, above what might be reasonable and normal steps for keeping viral hygiene under control.
Its normal to feel more anxious, and normal to take steps to manage situation by being well prepared.

Isolation Issues

Getting sufficient shopping in on low incomes, and/or vulnerable / already isolated

Keeping on top of KEY METERS - need to top up yet in isolation - what measures are there to help

Paying mortgage/rent (private & housing associations) if not receiving sick pay

Legislation that enforced isolation = sick (for sick pay purposes)

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Primary mode of transmission is airborne droplets.

Sneeze or cough into elbow (or tissue and bin it). Droplets can travel 2m.

Secondary means of transmission touch.

Hand wash to
Break the transmission cycle from hand to mouth, eyes, nose, or to others, by 20 seconds plus thorough hand washing (soap and water).

Alcohol breaks down the outer layer of virus to effectively kill, other methods may not.
(Anti bacterial does NOT do this and overuse may risk bacterial resistance).

Use 2/3rds vol alcohol to any other additive

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Huge thanks to all contributors; for updates and trying to keep to trusted sources of information.

The community here has been supportive and respectful despite worries, and that can make a huge difference in unknown times.

thoughts go to all those affected, in whatever way.

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RedToothBrush · 10/03/2020 22:08

However, children's critical care beds appear to be separate - slightly different equipment can anyone say ? -
so no child is likely to be pushed down the list for any adult
(theoretically could be for another child, but v few children have suffered critical illness from CV-19

If there is a shortage of staff due to coronavirus there will be knock on effects. Child with asthma attack needs an ambulance but all the ambulances are busy and this means there is a delay. It does not need to be that a child has to have covid-19 for there to be a problem or for them to be more at risk. Or there are shortages of drugs due to labour shortages which we've been warned about. Once drugs run out, triage doesn't make any difference. There doesn't need to be many sick children (including teenagers who may need same equipment as adults) with covid-19 for there to be a problem quickly.

Sugar coating it and saying 'let's be nice' doesn't help. But apparently this is 'hysterical'.

I do despair at this mentality.

Hysterical is buying 6005 bog rolls and 456 tins of tomato and arming yourself against zombies.

It is not hysterical to talk about potential practical problems and ethical decision making because our health care system is under funding and already at breaking point.

What were the waiting times at your local a and e last weekend? The 4hour waiting time target has been increasingly breached. That's your warning sign.

ChipotleBlessing · 10/03/2020 22:08

The woman in Sunderland had a doctor’s appointment about her difficulty breathing. Her family have stated that her only previous condition was related to her knees, which was why she didn’t go out much. They have stated that she has no relevant comorbities.

mrshoho · 10/03/2020 22:09

Can you work this out? A high school here has a confirmed case as of today. The pupil was last in school on Friday 6th March however the school acting on PHE advice says it is remaining open and students and staff are expected in tomorrow. This seems completely at odds with previous advice.

unluckyagain · 10/03/2020 22:09

@Flaxmeadow you are wrong. I know people with mild symptoms. They are mild, and they wouldn't have known they had Coronavirus if they hadn't tested positive.

Not everyone is very ill.

OneTimePrepper · 10/03/2020 22:10

I think its shitty if people who have asthma are given low priority due to something outside their control. What if its mild asthma? I say that heavy smokers should be below asthma sufferers in the triage list. They made a conscious decision to fuck up their lungs after all.

RedToothBrush · 10/03/2020 22:11

I think our unwillingness to want to talk about death matter of factly as a society is part of the problem here.

BigChocFrenzy · 10/03/2020 22:11

usernameishistory, neurotrashwarrior I posted some links upthread about the effects on immune system and heart of long runs and marathons

He would have been very vulnerable to any serious disease and much less able to fight it off than if he had been in a normal rested state

BertiesLanding · 10/03/2020 22:11

I was thinking that, @Flaxmeadow - however, that doesn't wholly fit with the fact that there are those who are "asymptomatic". I think it's far more likely that symptoms will run the gamut from "severe" to "nil", rather than jumping from "flu-like" to "nil" with nothing between the two.

ElizabethMountbatten · 10/03/2020 22:12

This reply has been withdrawn

This has been withdrawn by MNHQ at the request of the OP.

OnTheEdgeOfTheNight · 10/03/2020 22:12

Perhaps we can agree that two things can simultaneously be true:

An individual's risk of becoming critically ill through covid-19 is low.

Society's risk of hospitals being overwhelmed is alarming.

So let's do what we can to flatten the curve.

picklemewalnuts · 10/03/2020 22:13

Bigchoc, they won't be coming in one at a time. They will be lined up in wards already receiving basic treatment, but needing more intensive treatment.

Did you read the thread I linked?

AbsentmindedWoman · 10/03/2020 22:13

I am very interested if @YoursTunbridgeWells has an immuno-compromised child, or if she is herself?

If yes, I can understand it as spiralling anxiety and voicing her worst fear.

If no - then it's cruel and unnecessary to make sweeping statements about asthmatic children being refused treatment

A bit of gentleness, when talking about who won't be eligible for resources in that scenario, is fucking needed.

There are ways to communicate the reality of how bad this could be without ramming it down the throats of the high risk groups that we are most likely to get the shitty end of the stick.

MangePasTesOnglesVilain · 10/03/2020 22:13

It's like this virus has lifted a rock and revealed all sorts of creepy crawlies underneath in our society which usually go unnoticed by most people.

The virus is revealing the answers to questions like '

how efficient and well funded is your country's health care'

,what does your government prioritise?'

what's your personal attitude to risk', '

how much do different societies care about other people?'

and more..

Some of the answers aren't pretty.

In the end this is a natural disaster of sorts, which we will do our best with.

But even a great flood defence won't stop a tsunami, and a top notch healthcare system would not cope with an out of control pandemic.

DonkeyKong2019 · 10/03/2020 22:14

Ooh turkey have a case. Not sure I trust their reporting though

BertiesLanding · 10/03/2020 22:14

I think our unwillingness to want to talk about death matter of factly as a society is part of the problem here.

@RedToothBrush - I agree up to a point; but because people aren't able to do this, your posts, by contrast, will feel harsh. You are not going to be able to change a mindset simply by pointing it out.

Sunshinesky1981 · 10/03/2020 22:14

@OnTheEdgeOfTheNight on thread 19, page 38. There are 2 posts

This must not be underestimated,people have to understand that if we get anything close to Italys state there will be no treatment for those with co-mobidites. This includes asthma. This includes kids

Asthma is a co-morbidity for CV. Article says if you have a co-morbidity you wont be treated for CV. You wont even get to see a doctor.

When I read the linked article I couldn't see anywhere where it said that you would be refused to see a doctor or have treatment. It is saying that the Italian healthcare authority has published a ethical recommendation when deciding on ICU admissions and that they would have to prioritize who had the best chance of survival.
It does not say that people with Asthma will be refused treatment (treatment does not just mean icu) or that they will refuse to let people with asthma see a doctor

wobblywindows · 10/03/2020 22:15

Took me ages yesterday to track down the Welsh numbers- the PHE site gives them for England but not for Wales. Below is the twitter account announcing number of cases daily, that links to the detail page. Perhaps could be included at the top of thread- if there's room, lol.

twitter.com/WGHealthandCare

Bit worrying that 1 person confirmed yesterday gave rise to 7 more today - but good that the testing could be done this quick.

Moomin8 · 10/03/2020 22:15

Some people do only get mild symptoms. Like the guy in his 50s talking on radio 4 about his experience of the illness - he said the worst of it lasted 3 days.

Also this woman

trib.al/AV7wGWp

Langbannedforsafeguardingkids · 10/03/2020 22:15

unlucky of those with mild symptoms, have they recovered? Because as I understood it, the reports from Italy were that only elderly / ill came in at first (to the hospitals) but then younger patients, who had perhaps only had mild illness to begin with, when their body was exhausted.

Believe me I want to believe and hear about cases where it's genuinely been a mild illness and they've then recovered, but I worry that this is the kind of illness where you feel slightly bad for a week or two and only then get really ill (I've read a couple of patient testimonies from China where this was the trajectory).

Michelleoftheresistance · 10/03/2020 22:16

I think its shitty if people who have asthma are given low priority due to something outside their control

Yes, it will be really shitty if, and it's only a theoretical if, the NHS were dealing with more patients too ill to breathe independently than life support machines were available for. As pp said, it's a case by case basis. The Italian doctor who wrote the article said something along the lines of the ICU drs not assessing patients at that stage who were in the age brackets where it is most severe or had comorbidities to consider moving them to ICU and life support because of the reduced chances of benefitting from it. This has been in the news from the start, that those who are elderly or have respiratory/heart and other vulnerabilities are harder hit by this.

picklemewalnuts · 10/03/2020 22:16

Onetimeprepper, it's not a value judgement! It's a basic effectiveness judgement.
You have one machine and ten patients. Do you put on the person who is relatively fit and may recover and free up the machine ASAP, or do you put the less well person who may stay on for a long time and then die anyway?

BigChocFrenzy · 10/03/2020 22:17

I think we'd all agree that the person with the best chance should be put on the machine
if any NHS hospital, or the NHS as a whole, has insufficient resources

Let's support sufficiently prompt measures to avoid getting to that stage

RedToothBrush · 10/03/2020 22:17

It's not about moralising about lifestyle choices. It's about deciding who has a better chance of survival.

If we get into health care rationing based on what's a socially acceptable life, that's going to get very sticky very quickly. Who decides what's acceptable and what's not acceptable?

Overworked doctors who are stretched caring for too many patients will need to have the 'easy' patients simply to care for as many people as possible.

Langbannedforsafeguardingkids · 10/03/2020 22:17

Cross post with moomin - good. At least it's not all gloom and doom then.

Does anyone have any more info on the female to male experience? It seemed from Chinese stats that men in general fared worse but I believe there was some suggestion smoking may have been a confounding factor (so no real difference between the sexes but a difference in likelihood to be a smoker).

Wehttam · 10/03/2020 22:17

Red AGREE 100000% Death is the only guarantee in life and yet so many people are scared to death of it. Madness.

Friends in Italy saying they expect this to go on for over the month projection as in Milan it is an absolute catastrophe in the hospitals. The main fear is how adept this thing is at using children as carriers to infect their grandparents which is the recurring theme over there. The social breakdown this will bring can not be understated.

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