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The 'Positive Mental Health' Corona virus thread Part II

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magimedi · 10/03/2020 09:44

I hope that RapidRainbow does not mind me starting Part II of the thread - if you do let me know & I'll ask for it to be deleted.

It would just be a shame to not carry on as this is such a positive place.

Part I is here:

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/coronavirus/3821799-The-Positive-Mental-Health-Corona-virus-thread?msgid=93901971

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purpleme12 · 15/03/2020 08:14

I'm going to a family party for my niece

andratuttobene · 15/03/2020 08:14

Bless little Trevor. I cried when I had had my (much planned for and wanted) puppy for about three days. I was sure I had ruined my life. As it turned out he was easy to train and the nighttime visits to the garden were over in a few weeks. Many years later, he’s currently snoring on my feet and I wouldn’t be without him for all the money in the world.

(Ask me again the next time he rolls in fox shit).

ExpletiveDelighted · 15/03/2020 08:15

Bracing myself to do the weekly shop, then the DCs have got swimming and football. Oh and washing, tidying, all the usual really.

Orangeblossom78 · 15/03/2020 08:19

Nadine Dorries: The doctor broke the news — I had the coronavirus. And I gave it to Mum
The health minister was shocked to contract Covid-19. Worse was to follow as she watched her mum, 84, start to cough and become flushed

Nadine Dorries
Sunday March 15 2020, 12.01am, The Sunday Times
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I will always remember how I felt the moment I was told that I had tested positive for the coronavirus — not least because it was the very last thing I was expecting to hear.

But I will never know how I became infected with Covid-19, only that I am one of the first people in the country to have been identified who has not recently been abroad or been in close contact with someone who had returned from abroad.

I had not really wanted to take the test. I had been at home since Friday, March 6, feeling slightly unwell and self-isolating, just in case. There is no treatment, other than to isolate yourself and rest.

Nadine Dorries with her mother, who also has the virus. Dorries said ‘every muscle’ ached’ after she was taken ill
Nadine Dorries with her mother, who also has the virus. Dorries said ‘every muscle’ ached’ after she was taken ill
A diagnosis would make no difference to how I behaved or dealt with my symptoms. But I had my 84-year-old mother staying with me for a few weeks and, despite the fact that she has survived polio, rheumatic fever, major heart surgery and a world war, she is not in the best of health.

The community nursing team were waiting for me as I drove into a Covid-19 testing centre on a local industrial estate. It resembled the tyre-change bay at my local garage.

I wound down the window and via an intercom was told, very sternly, to wait in my car. I did not have to get out. Two nurses emerged dressed head to toe in protective clothing. By the expression on their faces it was obvious that they were not about to offer me coffee.

Ryan, a nurse, inserted a swab up my right nostril. He smiled as he popped it into the medium and the second nurse handed him another swab. This time he swabbed the back of my throat. He was very determined to obtain a good culture. “Well, let’s hope you get better,” he said through his protective plastic shield, as he snapped the lid on the tube.

Ryan was lovely. Ryan is one of the heroes working out there on the front line and doing so with huge stoicism and good humour.

It was on Tuesday evening when the results came through. I was midway between coughing and sleeping when the phone rang. I left my mum dozing in the wing-backed chair in front of the fire, a blanket over her knees.

She had been coughing all day, not eating, cheeks flushed, eyes hot and bright. The time for her favourite afternoon quiz show, The Chase, came and went and she didn’t even bother to switch it on — something was wrong. I felt disappointed: I had missed an illicit hour watching my good friend Shaun, the quiz master known as the “Dark Destroyer”.

The dulcet tones of Professor Keith Willett from NHS England drifted down the phone: “I’m afraid to tell you you have tested positive for Covid-19.”

His words had the effect of iced water trickling down my spine. “I did not expect you to say I had it,” I managed to stutter in response. I was in shock.

I stopped listening for a second as the thought flew through my mind: my mum is going to get it and it’s my fault. I had brought Covid-19 home from Westminster and had unwittingly passed it on to her.

It felt as though the clocks had stopped. I knew that everything was about to change and I wanted to hold time where it stood.

“Because you haven’t been abroad or had contact with anyone who has . . .” I heard Professor Willett say, and I knew — the goalposts were moving.

This was a game-changer and I was at the heart of Westminster. I was not a returnee from Italy. I felt as though I were standing on the edge of a precipice.

Shock moved swiftly on to incoherent jabbering. I began talking about how my bedsheets were soaking wet every night. Keith reassured me: “Intermittent night sweats are known symptoms.”

Dorries with Johnson. She was with him on the day symptoms appeared
Dorries with Johnson. She was with him on the day symptoms appeared
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He listened, kindly and patiently, as the initial shock subsided. It transpired that I had the full gamut of all the classic symptoms and suddenly I felt a whole lot worse.

I had come into contact with a number of people that week, from colleagues to family members. It was daunting but I knew I had to inform as many people as possible so they could take the right precautions too.

At 62, I’m no spring chicken, but I am fit and healthy. Yet the following days were difficult. It hurt to move my eyes from side to side, my cough was persistent — so much so that I am possibly going to have a residual cough for six weeks while my lungs recover.

I had no sore throat, no mucous, my cough was dry and unproductive. Every muscle ached and the pain felt as though it were lodged deep in my bones.

I sweated through the nights and each day I was disappointed and irritable that I wasn’t feeling better and recovering as quickly as I thought I should be. I was not one of the mild cases but nor were my symptoms severe.

One advantage of being at home is that I have watched the Covid-19 story play out. The public are scared and that is entirely understandable.

The majority of people will be infected with Covid-19, but they will recover without experiencing significant discomfort. Some people may catch it and not even know they have it. The elderly are the most at risk and the most vulnerable.

Regard everything you touch outside the home as being contaminated: every lift button, shopping-trolley handle, wait-button on a zebra crossing — and every cup in a cafe. Wash your hands for 20 seconds. Carry hand-sanitiser and use it over and over. Resist the urge to hug or shake hands with anyone.

My mum coughed repetitively and had a fever for one day. Last night we received the results of her test — she is positive.

Unlike with my situation, we know exactly where she caught it from and the irony is, despite her having had major surgery to replace the valves in her heart damaged by childhood illness, despite her pacemaker and breathlessness, her lifetime of smoking, hard work in her early years and poor diet, she had much milder symptoms than me.

“We old northerners are made of much tougher stuff than you young ones,” she said to me — I’m eligible for a bus pass, remember — as she ran the vacuum cleaner under my feet.

I think there may be some truth in that.

Layladylay234 · 15/03/2020 08:20

@M0reGinPlease We're out for a family lunch at 12 then maybe a walk in a park if it's not raining.

We did the zoo last week when the weather was lovely and it was great. I'd make as much opportunity as possible of getting out in the fresh air x

Orangeblossom78 · 15/03/2020 08:20

Sorry just sharing the above from the Times today.

Trooper59 · 15/03/2020 08:23

I'm glad I found this thread. I'm currently crying after reading some of the things being said on another thread. My DH is over 70. He still matters.

The positivity on here has helped. I'm going to go for a long walk and then go out for the lunch DH and I have been looking forward to. Enjoy life while we have the freedom to do so.

Hope you all have a lovely Sunday.

magimedi · 15/03/2020 08:30

Trooper My DH is also over 70 and I agree with all you say. The ageism on some of the threads is gob smacking. One sure thing is all of them will get old too - or worse! Have a lovely lunch.

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ExpletiveDelighted · 15/03/2020 08:37

Keep off the other threads! I was working on the laptop yesterday and MNing in boring moments but kept seeing them in Trending, I am only going to MN on my phone from now on.

Eebahgumlass · 15/03/2020 08:54

Morning everyone. A woman in our village is setting up a volunteer rota so I am going to join that. Doing something to help will also make me feel better . Puppy is doing well - my turn to do the night shift and I love my sleep so let's see how I get on...

Layladylay234 · 15/03/2020 09:28

Watching Andrew Marr and they had a lovely South Korean politician talking about what they've been doing to bring the numbers down. Testing 20,000 a day and monitoring them via an app. Great news that the numbers are dropping so much there. I'm half tempted to jump on a plane and head there for a few months...I've never been!

Layladylay234 · 15/03/2020 09:29

Oh,and just wanted to reiterate to let's try keep this thread positive and close to the top of the doomsday list!

tunnocksreturns2019 · 15/03/2020 09:32

Here’s something lovely from Oliver Jeffers to look forward to:

www.facebook.com/263669736611/posts/10156586435571612/?d=n&substory_index=0

MinesaPinot · 15/03/2020 09:34

Morning all. I've had to stop looking at any other threads because it's too scary for me. I'm staying on this one and hiding everything else. We're going to see my 83 year old mum today and take her shopping in as she couldn't get out because she had a fall at home. I went to Sainsbury's yesterday and it looked like a swarm of locusts had been in. It was ridiculous!

MinesaPinot · 15/03/2020 09:41

I've just been trying to find my post from last night but it obviously didn't register. I had lunch with my boss who has been having chemo, and my old boss who is in his late sixties with underlying health conditions. They are being sensible but are relaxed. And there was an elderly (she's 103!) lady in the hairdressers yesterday who said she is taking some precautions but if she gets it she gets it and if she doesn't she doesn't. She's fab!

I'm keeping the economy going by ordering a dress top and jacket from Zara. If I'm going to be stuck at home in going to be smart Grin

CaveMum · 15/03/2020 09:49

Don’t know if this has already been published but I found this on Twitter this morning, care of Prof Brian Cox’s wife Gia Milinovich (@giagia on Twitter) which I find reassuring and written by an actual expert, not an armchair one!

medium.com/@michael.g.head/uk-response-to-coronavirus-why-i-think-its-appropriate-b5d748b2c16

Orangeblossom78 · 15/03/2020 09:49

Also thought you might like this one from the Times today

The virus is forging a different Britain. It can be a better one
The Sunday Times
Sunday March 15 2020, 12.01am, The Sunday Times
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The only way to describe it is eerie. Yesterday saw a Saturday devoid of most professional sport, including football and Six Nations rugby. Today and the next few weeks will be the same. Normally crowded town centres and shopping arcades are quiet, recalling the Sundays of a distant past. People are hunkering down. It is a tumbleweed time for the country. The government, having resisted banning public gatherings and given a somewhat confused message on them, will now do so from next weekend, though it looks like shutting the stable door after the horse has bolted. Sports administrators, businesses and individuals have already introduced their own social distancing strategies.

Few people will have experienced anything like this before. A few weeks ago nobody had heard about this coronavirus and when we did, we marvelled at the empty streets in the Chinese city of Wuhan and the ability of the Chinese authorities to build a new hospital in 10 days. It is a mark of the interconnectedness of today’s world that it has moved from there to here in such a short time.

We have read about history’s pandemics, and outbreaks have been a staple of dystopian fiction. Living through a pandemic is different, and it will change us. And, as we have seen from the different responses of governments around the world, there is no single playbook.

The response of Boris Johnson’s government has two elements. One is to flatten the short-term peak of coronavirus cases, or as he put it “squash the sombrero”, to even out the pressure on the NHS in coming weeks. The second is to prevent a second set of peak outbreaks next winter. The approach has the virtue of being guided by expert advice, though this is also true of countries that have adopted severe “lockdown” strategies.

Only time will allow us to judge which approach is right and, amid signs that the cross-party consensus is fraying, the government has to be prepared for criticism. If the second part of its strategy succeeds, and next winter passes without a serious outbreak, people may not be aware that this was due to the success of an approach a by-product of which was to increase “herd immunity” in the population. Many scientists, it should be said, are sceptical about this approach.

One thing the government should not be overly concerned about is going beyond what the public will accept. Our YouGov poll today shows that on balance people have confidence in the government’s ability to handle the crisis. Only 4% think ministers have overreacted, however, while 47% think more should have been done. People are gloomy about the consequences of contracting Covid-19: nearly a sixth, 16%, think it is likely that they would die as a result, while 47% think it likely that somebody they know will.

Perhaps because of this, people support draconian measures, including new emergency laws, food rationing, cancelling large events, testing all people arriving in the UK and even banning all foreign visitors. There is support, though less than for other measures, for closing schools. The government, then, appears to be slightly behind public opinion, though there are reasons for that. People also seem prepared to take an economic hit. Staying alive, and ensuring that loved ones stay alive, is more important.

This public health emergency should not, given the right response from governments and central banks, be allowed to become a new financial crisis. It is, however, having a significant economic effect. The “Boris bounce” for Britain’s economy is turning into a coronavirus crunch, with economists predicting a sharp drop in gross domestic product in the April-June quarter, on a par with what was experienced in some quarters in 2008-09. The world economy, already laid low by Donald Trump’s trade wars, looks to be heading for its first recession in more than a decade.

The hope has to be that as we move beyond what is expected to be the peak infection rate, there will be a return to some kind of economic normality in the summer and autumn. The new normal may be different from the old normal, though, and the economic impact will be serious enough to bring down many businesses, particularly in retailing, hospitality and travel. If the customers are not there, and employees are forced to stay at home, even the measures unveiled by Rishi Sunak in a confidently delivered budget last week will not be enough to stop many firms going to the wall.

Are there any upsides in what is a deeply worrying situation for many people? They are hard to find, but there are some. In the context of Covid-19, the Brexit culture wars of the past four years look like a huge exercise in self-indulgence. In our poll only 6% of people now think Brexit is the biggest issue facing the country. Downing Street insists that a free-trade agreement with the EU can be negotiated by the end of the year. If it takes longer as a result of this crisis, so be it: the Brexit ultras will have to like it or lump it. A public prepared to accept draconian measures to deal with the coronavirus plainly has other things on its mind.

There is also a chance, perhaps no more than that, that we emerge from this as a less selfish and more thoughtful country. You would not think it from the panic buying of certain items in supermarkets — perhaps a truer reflection of the Blitz spirit than the rose-tinted version — but behaviour can evolve.

The crisis has made businesses rethink a working model that has existed for centuries, in which the only way to operate is to ensure employees congregate at the same location every day. Working from home, entirely possible for many these days, keeps people closer to loved ones, eases congestion on overcrowded public transport and is good for the planet. It may take pressure off childcare arrangements. The crisis, and the debate over school closures, has also exposed the grim reality for many children from poorer families, for whom the only proper meal they get is at school. This should be a priority for the government.

Then there is the issue of long-term care, where the crisis may serve as a wake-up call. One reason the government is so keen to flatten the Covid-19 curve and manage the demand on the NHS is that our hospital wards are clogged up with older people — those most at risk from the outbreak — who should be looked after elsewhere, including in their own homes. Care reform has been shamefully neglected by too many governments for too long, and this government appeared in no urgency to change that. When the immediate crisis is over, it needs to be done.

It may be wishful thinking, but perhaps we can start to behave differently towards one another. If older people need help with their shopping or other tasks, that should not just be something that lasts as long as the crisis, but becomes permanent. Maybe we will travel less and make more of what there is to do and see closer to home. Covid-19, an entirely new kind of crisis for most people, will change us. Let us hope it changes us for the better.

Calmonthesurfacebut · 15/03/2020 09:50

Can I join you? Feeling a bit tearful today, as my teen dd asked if I was likely to die. I am 55 have hbp and hypertrophic cardiomyopathy, so not a good candidate. DH business relies on airlines and cruises, so it’s all hitting home.
However, on an amusing note, my 82 year old mum told me she’s been isolating for a week already, but her partner and her have been going out into the countryside for a drive each day and taking their sandwiches and a flask, it was like the ‘olden days’ and they were having a cuddle in the car!

Orangeblossom78 · 15/03/2020 09:51

Just wanted to mention for the people giving out cards to help etc, remember to take care of yourself also, especially if have family etc just in case get ill too. We need to look after ourselves too and that is OK Flowers

CaveMum · 15/03/2020 09:51

This from the Racing Post made me chuckle, the quote from 91 year old Maureen Mullins, mother of champion trainer Willie.

The 'Positive Mental Health' Corona virus thread Part II
HonestlyItsFine · 15/03/2020 09:54

Even looking at the sidebar of "most active" threads is depressing.
I might come off lal social media for a while- haven't decided yet. It's not helping my general anxiety.

DaffodilThatch · 15/03/2020 09:58

@Orangeblossom78 thank you for sharing the Nadine Dorries story. Good to hear her mother has only very mild symptoms.

@Layladylay234 South Korea is a wonderful country, and wonderful people, highly recommend a visit. Years back when they were facing some economic doom, people were giving their jewellery and wedding to get the country out of debt. Now there's a country that pulls together in a time of crisis!

news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/analysis/47496.stm

DaffodilThatch · 15/03/2020 10:00

Meant wedding rings

HonestlyItsFine · 15/03/2020 10:03

But in good news, 81% of China's cases have fully recovered (there are still active cases, so that percentage should go up).

Layladylay234 · 15/03/2020 10:05

@DaffodilThatchThats fantastic, love it.

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