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The 'Positive Mental Health' Corona virus thread Part II

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magimedi · 10/03/2020 09:44

I hope that RapidRainbow does not mind me starting Part II of the thread - if you do let me know & I'll ask for it to be deleted.

It would just be a shame to not carry on as this is such a positive place.

Part I is here:

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/coronavirus/3821799-The-Positive-Mental-Health-Corona-virus-thread?msgid=93901971

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EsioTrot · 12/03/2020 07:52

Sorry, I was referring to @Jrobhatch29 'a post about the French family.

Canshopwillshop · 12/03/2020 07:53

One of my fur babies Smile

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shinynewapple2020 · 12/03/2020 08:02

Love your bunny Millie.

I think posts about people having it are OK if they are clear it's a mild case or recovering. I'm finding it helpful to hear of people getting it with mild symptoms.

I agree that the idea of seeing the hand washing as a battle is a great way to encourage reluctant DC. Don't think it would work on my 18 year old though!

purpleme12 · 12/03/2020 08:08

@Canshopwillshop he's so cute

shinynewapple2020 · 12/03/2020 08:09

I will be going to my Pilates class after work this afternoon. We've had an email from the instructor talking of washing our hands before we go in and wiping down the mats and balls before and after use, and not attending if we seem at all poorly - that all seems very sensible.

Off to walk my dog now - looks like a bit of sunshine coming through Smile

Orangeblossom78 · 12/03/2020 08:28

Yes same from my council run gym (as above)

I wondered if others might find this useful, it is the guide to the plan the gov are using - talking about going into the delay phase atm, I found it helpful to read, www.gov.uk/government/publications/coronavirus-action-plan/coronavirus-action-plan-a-guide-to-what-you-can-expect-across-the-uk

Orangeblossom78 · 12/03/2020 08:29

YY to hand washing being a challenge. Especially with teens. We are getting there though

Orangeblossom78 · 12/03/2020 08:35

Funny article in the Times today, made me laugh

This crisis brings out the Mad Max in us
As extreme preppers reach for axes and crossbows, many fancy their chances in the apocalypse

Why is it so much easier to get people to stockpile than to simply wash their hands? The advice has, after all, been clear for quite some time. If we wash our hands and avoid large gatherings we can hold the coronavirus at bay. Stockpiling, which leads to shortages, will make things worse. Yet people still stroll in and out of bathrooms without touching the soap.

In supermarkets, on the other hand, a steely-eyed survival instinct has kicked in. From New York to Bicester, aisles have been cleared of loo roll and hand sanitiser. There is footage of US shoppers running with empty trolleys towards recently restocked shelves. Last week in Sydney the police were called after a brawl over a pack of loo paper. “There is no need for it. It isn’t the Thunderdome, it isn’t Mad Max,” a policeman said. I imagine the tone was rather weary.

Yet for some, it clearly is Mad Max. The membership of a Facebook group called “Coronavirus UK Preppers S.H.T.F [Shit Hits The Fan] raw survival” has soared in the past month. A UK “preppers” store, which sells crossbows, axes and knives along with ration packs and military-spec masks has reported sales 20 times higher than usual. Americans, inevitably, have been buying guns. In the richer pockets of Silicon Valley people are preparing to check in to luxury survival bunkers.

As the global death toll ticks up, the instinct of some is apparently to battle for resources, knife between the teeth, and then build a fortress to hunker down in. It’s to hit the weaker shoppers over the head and make off with all the loo roll. It’s to steal a diesel-gulping “war rig” and head off into the desert as the best hope of survival. Odd when at present the best hope of survival continues to be washing your hands while singing Happy Birthday.

But perhaps our reaction isn’t too surprising. In the dark corners of the collective imagination, apocalypse has always had a strange appeal. We are, in fact, oddly drawn to it. Armageddon-style survival thrillers are bestselling books, reliable blockbusters at the movies and popular computer games. Britain is still obsessed with its two world wars, eight decades on from the second.

Remainers who spent much of last year warning of the dangers of a no-deal Brexit — the privations, the state of emergency — were surprised to see the relish this scenario inspired in some quarters. “It will be good for us!” Brexiteers said, stowing tinned beef into a shopping bag. “We survived a war!”

Partly, this stems from a perverse desire for the universe to teach us a brutal lesson now and then. A longing for the shot of adrenaline as our puny human certainties are swept away. For disaster on a spectacular scale, and then for the disaster to get worse. This applies of course mainly to the smug, comfortable West. Your cosy job, your pension, your Ocado delivery, your commute — they cannot, after all, protect you. You can rely on nothing. You are thrown back, bracingly, on your own resources. You will have to hunt and gather, as nature intended. Only the fittest loo-roll brawler will survive.

That leads, of course, to another fundamental of the Armageddon fantasy. That if it came to it, you’d have the right instincts for survival. Not for you the role of authority figure who stubbornly underestimates the danger until three seconds before it actually kills them. Nor would you be the prissy city-dweller in the unsuitable shoes who might have lived had they not wandered off to find a dock leaf; no, nor the one whose unshakable faith that the authorities will come to the rescue almost kills the whole rag-tag gang. You’d be the one who was right.

This belief that survival is easy is so deeply embedded that survivalists themselves spend time trying to debunk it. “A lot of people think they are going to live in the woods and live off rabbits and fish,” one prepper recently told The Economist. “If they do go and live off that diet for three weeks, they are going to be very ill indeed.”

Then there is the odd relish that comes with the thought of upturning the usual hierarchies. Perhaps you (the one who was right) will move further up the chain. Perhaps also, you’ll get to make some changes. The disaster, however random, has exposed something deeply wrong in the social order. Now you can remake it.

After just a couple of months of coronavirus, some politicians and pundits already have this glint in their eye. For some, the crisis has revealed the dangers in trendy urban life, with its unsanitary sharing economy. Others predict it will draw Britain back to a better, more stoical age. Globalisation, for some, is the disease-spreading cause of the calamity, while for others it is the research-sharing solution. Xi Jinping has seen the virus as a reason to step up surveillance in China. For Bernie Sanders, it justifies free healthcare. For Donald Trump, it is a reason for stricter borders.

Now is the time to resist all this. Don’t panic, don’t stockpile, don’t watch 28 Days Later. Seek out books and films about social reserve and coughing politely into handkerchiefs. Emma, perhaps. Anything by Jane Austen. Those are the survival thrillers our times require.

Martha Gill is a Times leader writer

Els1e · 12/03/2020 08:47

I was telling my dp about this thread. So we’ve decided to go and get some materials to do those jobs we’ve been meaning to get done. We need stuff to repair fencing and I’ve been wanting to sand and oil some manky wooden furniture. And today is dry, so washing out on line. Yea!

DobbyTheHouseElk · 12/03/2020 09:01

listened to the Ologies podcast about coronavirus that I talked about on the other thread. It was OK. Very science-y and not scaremongering and there was a lot of good information about how these things actually work in terms of how long they can survive on surfaces and how they're actually pretty rubbish in the air. You're not going to get it from just being near someone who has it. That person would have to cough onto their hand, shake yours, and then you touch your face before washing your hands. They also said masks were useless and should be for people working in hospitals only.

There was a good discussion about the replication rate (?) which was basically trying to work out how many other people one infected person could pass the virus onto. The expert said that as the virus can't stay airborne and be breathed in, it's likely to be low, more similar to flu than something like measles. She also discussed the epidemic curve, said that China are over the worst and seeing things level off and decline, and that we'll see the same too.

It's important to remember that China saw its first cases on New Year's Eve, and the cause was identified as a coronavirus on 7th Jan. That's only 64 days ago. The virus has peaked, and is now declining. We are in a MUCH better position than the Chinese as we have 64 days of studies and research behind us. So it's fair to assume that in another 64 days (or less) we're going to be seeing sharp declines too.

64 days from today is, coincidentally, my birthday :-) So if that's a sign, I don't know what is.

@PineappleDanish thank you for this post. It made me feel much calmer yesterday. Flowers

magimedi · 12/03/2020 09:03

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Go & look at this post on site stuff. You can copy & paste loo rolls Grin

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/site_stuff/3845792-loo-roll

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Moomin8 · 12/03/2020 09:06

Great thread 👍👍👍

magimedi · 12/03/2020 09:08

Stamps foot @ Dobby

HTF do you do it?

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StillNotANewUser · 12/03/2020 09:19

Morning all! Ready for another normal day here, DH is on annual leave so is at the gym (only precaution making sure he washes his hands before leaving and keeps stuff that's touched equipment somewhere separate to be washed when he gets in) and then we're taking the baby for a trip to the zoo. We'll make sure we use sanitizer after touching door handles but definitely not going to stay away completely.

Had a session with my therapist yesterday evening and she was behaving completely normally, we didn't discuss the virus at all but she was hand shaking/hugging as normal and said "see you next week" very confidently as I was leaving which makes me feel a lot better.

Interested to see what this "cocooning" of the elderly is going to look like, in my head it means they're literally going to be wrapped up so they can't leave the house (I'd quite welcome this - my granny can get a bit confused and I'm worried she wouldn't remember she's not meant to get the bus into town like she does each week) but I'm sure that's not really it...

Superbrew · 12/03/2020 09:21

Getting kids to be hygienic is definitely HARD!
I have now taken the advice of someone else here get the kids to do a pre wash and then stick their hands in a soapy bowl of water, which they enjoy!

Also coughing I'm teaching them to cough as a dab, because they wont forget that ...and into the elbow instead of all over the place os definitely a win situation!

peoplepleaser1 · 12/03/2020 09:26

@Superbrew I hope you don't mind but I just wanted to say that from what I understand the action of running water off hands is a key part of hand washing. So the bowl of water may not be as good as running water at the end of the process.

I'm not meaning to criticise, or alarm anyone but thought it worth mentioning.

Superbrew · 12/03/2020 09:30

Yes I thought that, so I'm making them wash hands first...just want to be doubly sure they are washing properly

Superbrew · 12/03/2020 09:31

...I've been washing their hands for them. But my 11 year old son is very resistant . It's hard being a parent lol

madeyemoodysmum · 12/03/2020 10:10

Loads of loo roll and flue remedy in Aldi. Still no hand gel. But at least got loo roll as I genuinely need it. 🤪

Spudlet · 12/03/2020 10:57

Just back from a routine hospital appointment with DS. All calm and quiet. The only sign of anything was that there were signs up telling anyone who had been to an affected area, or had been in contact with an affected person, AND who had symptoms, to go to some pods outside A&E. Other than that, business as usual. We did get some approving looks for our diligent hand sanitiser use, but we always do that anyway (I used to work in a hospital - the same one as my mum, actually - many years ago, so it’s been drummed into me!)

Millie2013 · 12/03/2020 11:04

That sounds similar to “my” hospitals too
I’m super diligent anyhow, as I work with lots of people who are on chemo

Shall we share some good news from our own lives today? Mine is that Starbucks had my fave cheesecake muffin this morning

It’s the little things Grin

Alsohuman · 12/03/2020 11:11

Beautiful spring day here, the sky is a tender shade of blue and the sun’s shining. I have daffodils and pussy willow. Gladys will be walked, will chase birds and be mortally offended because they fly away and I’m taking a leaf from her (totally unconcerned) book.

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