To think it was extreme?

[worriedmumishere]

Took my daughter to A And E as I was concerned about her as she's not been well for 4 days. I have been really worried about her. ( not corona virus related at all )
Anyway she gets seen by the nurse in triage and he's said that I've put her at high risk of corona virus getting her seen and made out she will now get the virus because I've taken her to hospital. I've never taken her to hospital when I'll but on this occasion I have been really worried.
Now I feel like a terrible parent and feel like I can't win 😢 will she now get the virus because she's entered the hospital

Of course she's not going to get the virus unless she's come into contact with someone. What he is trying to highlight to you is that you shouldn't be going to a&e unless it's an emergency, you put her at higher risk of catching it if they have patients in with it. He's trying to get you to think responsibly of your use of a&e. Your GP is as good as doctor as at a&e in regards to general symptoms what was your issue? Secondly if she did catch corona virus I believe it's been shown to not be as bad for children as the likes of the common flu would be. Corona virus is dangerous for people with suppressed immune systems and those presenting with under lying diseases. If you look at the ones that have died in the UK all elderly with underlying serious conditions so exactly the type of patient who is going to be seriously ill from it. I would stop panicking and consider your use of a&e in the future

They say she has no signs of infection her upon leaving checked her temp and it was high and they let her go and did nothing*
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So when did she last have a poo? Maybe treat for constipation fruit juice etc and if no improvement you have evidence to take back to GP.

A lot of people get the wrong message from doctors/nurses, especially when they in a state.
That's why 2 people should always see a doctor (for big things) - each individual can hear very different messages.

'Any child can have corona virus and if they just dismiss children off with their fever constipation then they will never stop the spread will they. I'm not saying my child has had the corona a virus and that's the cause of her illness but she could have had because of the onset of sundowns was headache and fever the main symptoms of corona virus. So if the dismiss it like that then the spread will continue.'

I think you're being a bit paranoid.

These are the initial symptoms of many illnesses and they all come on suddenly. It was probably obvious to them given their years of experience and additional training re. Covid-19 that what your daughter was experiencing was nothing out of the ordinary.

You seem to be very sure that every medical professional you've seen so far is wrong. How many years have you been practicing medicine? I assume more than they have. Yes, constipation can cause high temperatures and they can still have it even if they do appear to be going to the toilet.

I know it's frustrating to see your child suffering, especially when they normally seem to bounce back from these viruses very quickly but that some illnesses just take longer to fight and you have no choice but to be patient and try to make them as comfortable as possible.

If things don't improve and you have any concerns then go back to your GP or call 111. They'll be able to advise you on the most appropriate course of action.

In this instance though I agree with PPs that you should have called 111 instead of going straight to A&E. Not only have you put additional unnecessary pressure on an already stretched resource but you have potentially exposed yourselves to other illnesses and definitely exposed others who had no choice but to be in A&E to your daughter's. I know you're anxious but if every anxious patent went straight there every time their child had a temperature the NHS would be in a lot more trouble than it is now!

Hi, it sounds like you're really worried! It is highly unlikely that your DD will get COVID19, and if she did, children are much less vulnerable to it than adults.
Does it help to know that all 3 of my DC have had some kind of viral infection in the past six weeks that has led to them having fevers for at least a week? DS's temperature went up to 42 a couple of times, which was scary, and I took each of them to the Dr after four or five days. They all had antibiotics because the Dr could hear crackles on their chests, but I'm pretty sure only one of them actually had a bacterial infection.
It took DD1 more than three weeks to really get over it, but she did and is fine.
We found the most effective medication was to alternate ibuprofen and paracetamol. It takes up to 45 minutes to take effect, so don't assume it's not working if the temp hasn't come down after 10-15 minutes.

To reduce a fever give both ibuprofen and paracetamol - they work differently but combination is best to reduce fever. At least do that. As you're still worried today, perhaps call the GP & tell them what you've said here. I think that taking her to A&E the same day that you had seen the GP without the obvious symptoms of a serious illness is what ppl are saying was probably the best course of action. And tbh the nurse may have responded the way she did to your "attitude" as you come across as mistrustful if medical professionals. Nurses see that all the time in A&E but esp with coronavirus - ppl will be adamant they are tested despite the nurses being told if they do not fit the parameters, do not test.

I think maybe take some time away from MN and calm yourself a little. And call the GP this afternoon if you still feel anxious about her health.

I'm saying this from POV of a frequent flyer to A&E and many hospitals with my DS.

@QueenOfOversharing thank you
I've called the Gp just to get some further advice. I've been made to feel like I shouldn't be concerned about my daughter and that I'm being a 'pain' asking for advice but if something seriously happened to her then I would be the one living with that if I didn't be a parent and make sure she's ok. I think maybe it's worst because out of all my children she's the one that's least affected with any illness and has never ever been this bad in the whole of her 8 years of life.

Children haven't really been effected by coronovirus so I wouldn't worry really. Unless they have confirmed cases in the hospital you attended then I don't see what the problem is and they shouldn't of said it to you

And coronovirus is a dry cough nothing like a cold. The media is putting people in a frenzy but the doctor's on TV this morning said it is a dry cough and very rarely accompanies cold sniffles

If there's pain and a fever op it might be worth considering appendicitis depending on where the pain is. I hope your dd is better soon and Shane on everyone with their holier than thou virtue signalling on here.

@worriedmumishere

Nobody has said that you shouldn't be concerned when your daughter is unwell, or that you shouldn't ask for advice. However, a&e was not appropriate on this occasion, which is what the nurse told you as well. If she's still unwell and you're concerned, you should book another GP appointment.

I hope the GP gives you some input that allays your fears. I (among everyone posting) understand fully it is an anxious time when your child is unwell, and of course there are cases (v v v v few) that the parent knew better), but I think the symptom that is worrying you the most is her fever. My DS has had various issues, lots of surgery, and rushed into A&E countless times - the fever you need to get under control - you need to give ibuprofen every 6 hours (Max 3 doses) PLUS paracetamol every 4 hours (max 4 doses). Do not skip the doses at least for 24 hours.

The doctors will then be able to assess whether her fever is able to be reduced (or not). If you aren't using both, they'll simply suggest that. So do that straight away when doses due. I always start dosing with both at the same time, then follow the 4 / 6 hour doses therafter. But dose according to what she's had.

DO NOT GIVE EXTRA DOSES OR MORE THAN THE MAX DOSE PER DAY that is obviously crucial!!!

Once on top of the fever, calmly assess how she is - is she eating? Is she drinking? Is she sleeping? Is she seeming her normal self? If once fever is reduced, then if she has any of the cautionary symptoms (check NHS website) then call 111.

Fevers really can last several days - they are actually a good sign - they show that the body's immune system is fighting back. Many doctors even disagree about needing to reduce fever.

Caveat: I am not a medical professional, just a mum who has had this advice (& followed it) many times.

Obviously, if your anxiety is not settling - I'd say call 111 instead of A&E - they will always err on the side of caution.

Goes without saying - hope your DD is better soon. But you need to remain calm.

Hi @worriedmumishere

We're moving this over to the Coronavirus topic for you.

You've still not actually acknowledged if your daughters constipated.

We all worry about our children but if your not following the Advice you were given in a and e drs are likely to feel you are being a pain as you describe.

Meet them half way. There not just gonna give you antibiotics!!

Also pain relief causes constipation.

I've been in your position with my boy. I was going insane with worry and indeed it was constipation

@Goingunderground2 I've answered that in the thread. She's NOT constipated and never has been before or during this illness

You don't take a child to A&E unless it's an accident or emergency. The clue is in the title. A 5 day temperature is neither of those things. If you don't like what your GP said, ask to see someone else, or phone 111. I phoned 111 3 weeks ago and our toddler had a temp for over a week and he was seen within the hour by an out of hours GP and given treatment.

The nurse said that to put you off coming again and tying up resources, thereby clogging up the system for patients who really should be at A&E.

@Goingunderground2 the doctor in A and E said

It 'might' be constipation but couldn't give any reason for the 5 day fever other than she suspects it's constipation but I know she's not I've seen her going to the toilet and I've asked her if it been hard to pass her stools and she's said no

You can be constipated while passing stool. It's weird I know but it's not that rare. Leaving you with no advice isn't good at all though, you need to know how to treat it and if they suspect that they could have prescribed laxatives - which is needed under 10. Is you DD keeping down fluids? Try some prune juice and see it that helps (you can hide it in orange juice).

My boy had fever and pain for a week before I even realised / accepted he could be constipated. Don't rule it out. He was passing stools but it was "overflow" so was soft and easy.

He was feverish, delirious, and not eating as he was full.

Please don't rule it out, especially at this stage at least if you treat her for constipation you can tell the dr you have and it can then be ruled out.

I've been where you are and I can honestly say constipation affects my boy in strange ways I can only compare it to how a water infection changes an elderly relative

Also having a child with various health concerns drs certainly take you more seriously if you acknowledge there idea and at least try it

30 years ago this would have been called Chinese Flu and it would have had the attention of a few column inches in the press. Nothing would have closed; nothing would have sold out.
102 years ago it was Spanish flu they kept quiet for too long, it killed 25 million in 25 weeks.

I’m just wondering, op, the way you list out your child’s symptoms as being consistent with Coronavirus; did you actually ask for her to be tested?
This could explain the nurse’s impatience with you. Being asked to test for Corina in a child presenting with constipation is probably stuff they haven’t the time to be dealing with right now.

One hundred years ago the poor sanitation would have accounted for a large proportion of that number, Minty. They didn’t understand that they could avoid a lot of diseases by simply washing their hands.