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worried about coronavirus (covid19) part 17

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usernameishistory · 08/03/2020 17:22

Next thread.

previous thread here

Helpful links

WHO media speech for world plan of action

updated data on this page every day at 2pm until further notice.
www.gov.uk/government/publications/coronavirus-covid-19-number-of-cases-in-england/coronavirus-covid-19-number-of-cases-in-england

WHO advice for the public
www.who.int/emergencies/diseases/novel-coronavirus-2019/advice-for-public

Its not just like flu www.theguardian.com/world/2020/mar/01/yes-it-is-worse-than-the-flu-busting-the-coronavirus-myths

Why WHO not declaring a pandemic www.newscientist.com/article/2235342-covid-19-why-wont-the-who-officially-declare-a-coronavirus-pandemic/

Worldometer www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/#countries

BNO News bnonews.com/index.php/2020/02/the-latest-coronavirus-cases/

Link to WHO report www.who.int/emergencies/diseases/novel-coronavirus-2019

The Lancet coronavirus hub - latest research and comment www.thelancet.com/coronavirus. Please provide updated link if possible, I haven't been able to make this one work.

JAMA coronavirus research centre jamanetwork.com/journals/jama/pages/coronavirus-alert

Please add in other links for any wanting to increase their understanding and decrease their anxiety!

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Notonthestairs · 08/03/2020 23:20

Agree with Max and Cheese - I've been lurking for days and finding it useful. I like to think I can read, review and consider the information for myself. Today the thread was very unhelpfully derailed.

todayisnottuesday · 08/03/2020 23:21

I don't really understand why people who don't think this thread are helpful are reporting others (and just not leaving the thread).

For the record, I made one report (for being called disingenuous as I'm not) and that was after the MNHQ post saying there had been 'multiple reports". I genuinely don't want your thread to be removed and can see it is helpful for some, I just thought there was an influx of posters today posting some unsubstantiated and inaccurate stuff and called them out it, for example, the death rate here will echo Italy's by 18th March. I haver suffered from anxiety and depression in the past and know the fear and anxiety such statements can cause, and I see the same in my patients. I think there is a fine line between helpful information and scaremongering and thought that line was crossed a fair few times today by some.

As for advice, I simply don't have any really other than what has already been written, other than don't believe everything you read (and yeah including this no doubt) and go easy on the hand gel as increased antibiotic resistance in the future could easily be as if not more serious that this is. It's tricky though I know, us humans like to have a feeling of control over events after all, arming ourselves with knowledge and information is part of that process, but we simply don't have all the answers yet, it's too new and too unpredictable.

Furfockssake · 08/03/2020 23:22

I'm sure this has been said a million times on here, but as a reminder -phones need cleaning as well as your hands when you've been out and about.

ofwarren · 08/03/2020 23:22

Fellow aspie here BigChoc
I'm not much of a face toucher to be honest, lots of ankle spinning and finger rubbing for me 😉

It must be a really hard habit to break if it's part of your stim behaviour.

AbsentmindedWoman · 08/03/2020 23:24

I've just scanned quickly through the New York points of action. Very pleased to see the Mayor has announced grants to help pay employees of small businesses when they need to stay at home.

So this should encourage cooperation with self isolation, plus should help small businesses stay afloat through a rough few months.

ofwarren · 08/03/2020 23:25

The U.S. State Department is warning U.S. citizens not to take cruises, delivering what could be a major blow to one of South Florida’s largest industries. t.co/nxEfAxHPr0

AbsentmindedWoman · 08/03/2020 23:26

@ofwarren Have you decided what to do about the dentist yet? I'm going to call and see if I can get an appointment this week.

I'm trying to get one in walking distance so I can avoid the subway. Hate the bloody dentist at the best of times Sad

ofwarren · 08/03/2020 23:28

@absentmindedwoman
I've got no choice but to go. I'm part way through a root canal and have a temporary filling in that has failed. It's starting to hurt and is only going to get worse.
I'm using some temporary filling I have bought on Amazon to tide me over and my appointment is in two weeks.
I dread to think how many cases we will have then.

Biohazardsuitcompulsory · 08/03/2020 23:28

Man in his 60’s with health issues died in Manchester. My friend works at the hospital

Jumpedintotheabyss · 08/03/2020 23:29

Dh got his hair cut today, before it becomes difficult and I'm in need of an eyebrow wax!! And underarm wax.

Freezingold · 08/03/2020 23:31

I agree that looking at other countries and states such as New York is incredibly useful. This is a particularly worrying virus and I feel reassured if those in charge as appropriately concerned and my fellow citizens are appropriately concerned too.

If we are proactive we can really reduce the rates. I’ve had conversations with my parents, friends and family and most of them were in the ‘dont panic’ camp and weren’t really upping the washing hands or other advice, feeling like they were hygienic already which they are.

However after I’d talked to them they have all made more changes, like I have, washing hands and phones for example after being out - and putting pressure on employers to let them work from home. Or deciding not to go to the football match or concert. I think that these are all positive changes. At the moment none of these changes affect the economy as all pre paid but even at this level, if enough of us changed our habits for a while it will save lives I believe.

It’s not scaremongering it is acting as a whole in society rather than as individuals.

BigChocFrenzy · 08/03/2020 23:32

ofwarren #aspiepower
I twitch fingers, feet & ankles too
Basically an all-body fidget

confusedandtired99 · 08/03/2020 23:36

My husband just told me that normal flu has a higher death rate 🤦‍♀️ He obviously hasn’t been listening to me at all.

What’s worse is that he’s medically trained himself 🤦‍♀️

HeIenaDove · 08/03/2020 23:42

Ive got a chin wax booked Tuesday and hair for Thursday They dont usually fall in the same week but they have this time. The way i see it people wont stop going to large gatherings like football matches and getting on planes ( i havent been abroad since 1986 and havent been on a plane since 1983) im not stopping going to appointments (unless ive been in contact with a proven case) I have a nasty feeling that its going to be one rule for the rich and another for the poor and one rule for men and another for women.

Like i said in an earlier post i seriously doubt we will see men sporting 1970s long hairstyles in a few months time because they have decided to stop going to the barbers just in case Smile

YourWinter · 08/03/2020 23:44

It's baffling how the authorities expect to trace everyone a potential positive has been in contact with. If that carrier is asymptomatic and innocently carrying on as normal, and if they are shedding virus that can survive for a short time on hard surfaces, surely even putting fuel in their car can involve touching the pump handle, the door to the shop part or the 'pay at pump' keypad. What if they wiped a tickly eye before getting out of the car, blew their nose without washing their hands before refuelling, or had been eating in the car - using fingers, not cutlery - what if they'd nibbled a broken nail before handling the fuel pump, before laying their keys on the counter while paying?

Italy are restricting the number of people allowed inside supermarkets or restaurants so the density of people allows a metre space between them. That won't make a difference if carriers touch the same door handles, keypads, the same products if they pick something up to read the label and then put it back on the shelf. All the time there is a possibility of transmission on surfaces, there is no way to identify the trail of people who touch the same item with just minutes or seconds in between.

I work in a supermarket and view every customer's hands as potential sources of bugs, but I've felt that for as long as I've worked there. It's not just the flu... but even so I am over 60, I've had flu twice in my life and the last time, 7 years ago, I was getting over chemo and was very ill with it, I don't want to get that or any other RTI again.

BigChocFrenzy · 08/03/2020 23:46

I know the German cases are higher, but I'm continuing the daily things I enjoy

  • gym & restaurants most days

Oh and I had my first ever undercut Tuesday at the hairdresser, swish in grey Smile

I'll make an appointment for my 6 month dental checkup soon
I can't cope with flossing, so I go frequently to have a scrape before it gets too bad

Changes:
I've boosted handwashing and totally avoid big crowds
so cancelled my planned retirement Rhine day cruises and outings to museums & galleries

I don't use public transport anyway, so I'm not sure what other changes to make

If the public health advice here is ever for age 60+ to stay home, I'll do so of course
I'm basically going by that

FusspotsMum · 08/03/2020 23:53

All Brits returning from Italy lockdown areas will be asked to self-isolate for two weeks, it has been confirmed

Seems to be the gov chasing its tail... we already know there was an exodus from northern Italy before the lockdown came into effect. Why not be proactive and one step ahead and self isolate all those returning from Italy?

Freezingold · 08/03/2020 23:53

@YourWinter I saw an expert describe this well, he said that each preventative measure was like a holey cheese slice.

Each slice will have ‘holes’. Washing Hands - imperfect. Tracing cases - imperfect (although Singapore are doing an amazing job using apps). Social distancing - imperfect.

However put all this measures together and less and less holes for the virus to get through!

HeIenaDove · 08/03/2020 23:56

YY @BigChocFrenzy I dont go on nights out or to pubs. Have never been to a gig I wear gloves when out and always wash my hands as often as possible Have always done this as a matter of course. I carry winter gloves on me all year round In the summer i put them on to to enter the supermarket toilets and to come out again. Ive got the odd weird look for doing that in the summertime . I wonder if i will get the same look THIS summer!

AbsentmindedWoman · 08/03/2020 23:56

@ofwarren I have a hospital appointment two weeks from this coming Friday I absolutely must attend, I feel the same about wondering wtf things will look like by then.

GalOopNorth · 08/03/2020 23:56

todayisnottuesday

Just because you are ignorant of something does not make it not true.

I hope you are right. But, as explored in detail on other threads (before you decided to come on here and tell us what we should be thinking), the data on our cases does look similar to the start of the outbreak in Italy, but we are tracking 10-14 days behind.

I will be very delighted if you come back in 10-14 days and crow about how I was wrong.

usernameishistory · 08/03/2020 23:57

Any tips how to stop fiddling with myself ? !

Well, umm, not sure how to take this. You don't have to stop fiddling with yourself if it makes you happy and isnt hurting anyone? Wink

Sit on your hands, keep something in your hands, take up scoobey making? If you remember that?

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Freezingold · 09/03/2020 00:02

How about go celeb style with a big scarf around mouth and huge sunglasses. We wouldn’t touch our mouths or eyes then!

confusedandtired99 · 09/03/2020 00:03

What about a fidget toy you can fiddle with and decontaminate later?

YourWinter · 09/03/2020 00:03

@Freezingold I like that!