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worried about coronavirus (covid19) part 14

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usernameishistory · 06/03/2020 01:03

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Dramadrama · 06/03/2020 19:59

You need 90-95% surgical spirit. Fill bottle up at least to just above two-thirds before you add aloe Vera or anything else.

That produces a 60%-plus hand cleaner.

SansaSnark · 06/03/2020 20:00

He's a doctor as in he has a PhD in nurse education. He does understand what he's talking about and has been taking this seriously since the beginning.

However, if watching his videos is making you stressed/upset, then it's probably not worth watching them.

Quartz2208 · 06/03/2020 20:00

It depends I guess as well on testing policy. South Korea are rigirously testing Italy are not.

woodchuck99 · 06/03/2020 20:01

The fact that so many people who have been to Italy have got infected suggests that the number of infected people is much higher than estimates suggest. The death rate is probably not as high as 4%.

WokClock · 06/03/2020 20:01

Regarding Germany healthcare - this is useful

worried about coronavirus (covid19) part 14
SimonX · 06/03/2020 20:03

Has anyone seen the irresponsible TV advert for KFC which consists of person after person licking their fingers and this at a time when official health advice is to not touch your mouth, nose, eyes or ears.

I wrote to both KFC and the advertising agency and they just ignored me.

Time to start a boycott of KFC until they start to act responsibly

stella1know · 06/03/2020 20:04

I think 2 threads ago @georgesegg asked why the German stats were so high. I live in NRW, with the highest rate if infection. Bavaria was first, with transmission in a car parts company visited by a colleague from China, but they identified that straight away and traced the chain and isolated contact persons and teams.
In NordRhein WestFalen, 60 miles from Cologne, in Heinsberg, a man and his wife got infected. patient zero hasn’t been found and the search has been given up on. This couple (wife is a nursery teacher and infected a few children) despite their symptoms, both went to a large, semi formal Carneval “Sitzung”. Carneval is massive in this (Catholic) regions, it is bugger than Xmas. People visit several large and expensive seated sessions, hot and close proximity. Everyone from that session was quarantined, local schools and nurseries were closed for from early Feb, I think they still are. But people from Heinsberg work in Cologne and Düsseldorf and cases have been popping up making the stats for the area huge.
The official response has been pretty good - without being draconian - of course more can be done and will need to be. An epidemic has been declared by Jens Spahn the national health minister, they have sought to reassure people, set up a rapid response centre in Düsseldorf and whoever can work from home, does. No nonsense regarding IT system incapacity. German employment law is pretty good and you wouldn’t be sacked for staying home if you were sick. You can’t easily fire people anyway. The state encourages people to not travel the to affected areas, to work from home, and 2 years ago advised a basic minimal stockpiling list. Aldi and Lidl were wiped on the first day but they are masters of logistics and the shops have assured people that there is enough food. Schools are closed as soon as there is a single case, quarantine isnt policed but there is a EUR450K fine for breaking it. Hope Germany and everywhere keeps on managing as things inevitably get worse.

AvocadoOwl · 06/03/2020 20:04

I don't understand this 60-80% thing.

Even on the Disaster Princess with their useless infection control there wasn't anywhere near that level of spread?Confused

Re the Italy death rate (and Iran too) I think we need to bear in mind that there are likely vast numbers of milder undiagnosed cases. South Korea were shit hot when it came to tracking down all the cult contacts, they have done a LOT of tests and have perhaps accounted for a much bigger % of cases overall because they have been able to keep hold of various contact tracking threads. Dr Neil Ferguson said the other day that he was confident of there being 50-100k cases in Italy.

ajandjjmum · 06/03/2020 20:05

I saw that SimonX and thought exactly as you did.

GorkyMcPorky · 06/03/2020 20:05

Re Italy, I just read in NY Times that 23% of their population is 65+. Don't know how that compares to the UK.

Hugglespuffed · 06/03/2020 20:05

I don't think we need to be boycotting a KFC advert that was probably made long before this outbreak. We all know the advice about washing hands and not touching face. It is silly to start boycotting a food advert. Especially since their tag line is 'finger lickin' good' !!!

Sizeablecontours · 06/03/2020 20:05

OK so is Dr Richard Hatchett credible or not? (He was introduced as former adviser to Obama.)

For those who didn't watch, he said because of its combined infectiousness and ability to cause death, Corona in his opinion poses a bigger threat than SARS or Ebola. And that China was trying to combat it as though they were fighting a war and that that analogy was not misplaced wrt Corona. (Or words to that effect.) Scary stuff.

idonttrustboris · 06/03/2020 20:05

@dramadrama what could I add in instead of aloe gel to make a sanitiser spray

GorkyMcPorky · 06/03/2020 20:06

Apparently 18% 65+ here.

idonttrustboris · 06/03/2020 20:07

BBC news today mentioned there being an argument for heard immunity if it hits us all in one go.
How come every other country seem to be taking every measure possible to stop this but Boris seems to just be saying "come on then, let's have you" to it

justchecking1 · 06/03/2020 20:08

I know Italy have an older population but over 4 percent there in comparison to 0.5 percent in South Korea. That can’t be explained by the elderly population alone can it?

Ciwi take a look at the graph Wok posted. I think that probably accounts for a lot of the difference

AutumnRose1 · 06/03/2020 20:09

Simon people licking their fingers makes me feel ill normally!

ofwarren · 06/03/2020 20:11

Coronavirus in New York: 4000 people in quarantine with dozens of cases confirmed
www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/coronavirus-new-york-cases-how-many-quarantine-nyc-a9384061.html

ajandjjmum · 06/03/2020 20:11

I think the medics and scientists are leading the way in how to handle this - and Boris is listening, as are other parliamentarians. Nice to see them working together for once!

We clearly aren't getting it too wrong if you look at the stats, compared to other similar nations.

Sizeablecontours · 06/03/2020 20:12

It's interesting about Italy and why the spread there is so advanced. I thought it could be related (in Milan anyway) to the fashion industry with goods and people back and forth to factories in China (especially as it could have possibly spread on suitcases in the hold at Heathrow) , but the percentage of elderly people makes more sense. All very troubling.

ofwarren · 06/03/2020 20:13

They updated last weekend at the normal time Aspergers

mylittleword · 06/03/2020 20:14

There is high chance of human to human transmission in UK. It was identified that the 26 year old having Coronavirus traveled from UK to Poland by Ryanair. No previous travel history known.

AvocadoOwl · 06/03/2020 20:15

If you are eating chicken with unwashed hands already I'm not sure what difference licking your fingers makes.

See also: eating sandwiches, burgers, crisps...

mumoftwodc · 06/03/2020 20:15

@GPwife2411 would it be possible to send me the link please as I missed it putting little one to bed.

ofwarren · 06/03/2020 20:15

Colombia reports first case of coronavirus t.co/eUoE2b20hL

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