Coronavirus thread 13

[KenAdams]

Previous thread here.

We are using Worldometer, BDO and Dr John Campbell videos as part of the discussions.

Seriously, I heard smoking kills a lot of things in your body, including the bad things.

I know how you feel ForFocks
Our school will not close for a confirmed case, as per PHE advice, HT fine to merge classes together and can't seem to see what the fuss is about.
No business continuity plan yet re staff, pay, homeworking, closing, cleaning.
It is worrying.

Why can't school be optional and down to parents discretion as a compromise?

Furfockssake no you’re not alone my sister who is pregnant and due in May thinks it’s a lot of fuss about nothing and doesn’t understand why it would be a good idea to prep as well you can now

Nothing you can do I’m afraid although luckily enough it was my mum who got me thinking about being more prepared and she’s very aware of how to manage the risk to herself

If they can delay it all schools will close in a few weeks. For Easter. Be good to get to that.

Autumn Thank God for that

Wooden..

That list is not applicable to dc. Coughing into elbows, social distancing (in packed school lines for lunch, pupils touching same payment system) etc etc ext.

But we have to keep them in school, so NHS workers can stay at work and then care for our sick dc?

Just a little tip, we are being told to clean out phones regularly but that can be difficult to do. Instead after cleaning it thoroughly you can wrap a bit of plastic wrap around it. The phone will still work fine. Change the plastic wrap regularly.

Also don't use your phone on the toilet !

@CallmeAngelina yes I know.
Last time I had pneumonia, I was off school for 8 weeks. It bought all sorts of nasy side effects: pleurisy, a cracked rib which poked into my lung, and a collapsed lung. It was miserable, and at one point, I did wonder if I'd get through to the other side of it.
I do not want pneumonia again, I fear I'd be off a lot longer...

LittleRen, Italy currently has an approximately 3 day doubling time. South Korea has brought its doubling rate down to about 3-4 days. I actually think South Korea is getting a handle on this, to be honest, but there's no sign of that in Italy, just yet.

Exponential growth doesn't go on forever, I would never claim that it does. But it doesn't have to go on very long for small figures to become very large figures. The figures I was quoting are not a million miles from what the govt is obviously using when quoting it's possible predictions. It's not scaremongering, it's just showing you just exactly what those plans from the government are being put in place for.

abraid

Thanks for that!

A good run down of his credential but what I found when my df was dying in hospital was that senior clinicians were very un emotional and scientific and quite cold.

Some of the things 1⃣ said to me were astonishing and a friend pointed out... This is their life, un emotional, clinical and scientific.

Obviously I understand that but do I want a cold clinician deciding whether my family are put at risk due to this virus?

"And FIL, 83, who had triple heart bypass and recently returned from.a cruise and will be planning his next, thinks we are "snowflakes"

tbh, when you are older and have no responsibilities except yourself, this is understandable - for himself -
but he should have empathy for others in very different circumstances, not dismiss them as "snowflakes"

With his age & health, if he stayed home until there is a vaccination, 12-18 months ..... he might not be fit or even alive to take that cruise

I'm 63, retired and I've no family, no responsibilites
so I'll continue nearly daily to go to the gym and eat at my fav restaurants
However, I've cancelled all plans for travel even into the nearest cities and I wouldn't set foot on a cruise ship

@AutumnRose1 Lots of people smoke in China, which apparently increased the deaths from coronavirus. Smokers are a higher risk group.

Yes, pneumonia is horrendous. It’s referred to as “old man’s friend” and I cannot understand why. It was terrible at 19 and 32. What it must be like as an elderly person, I cannot imagine and I hope I never have to know.

Old man’s friend is because old people die from it and it ‘ends their suffering’

Irritable - oh that’s interesting. Is this about the texture of lungs again?

I have a feeling if I were scanned I’d have some kind of bronchiactesis (sp).

"who the fuck is this chief medical officer"

www.theguardian.com/society/2020/mar/04/prof-chris-whitty-the-expert-we-need-in-the-coronavirus-crisis

Gal, yes, but that doesn’t sound a good way to go, only based on my own experience of course. Massive heart attack sounds much better.

Fiffle the problem this time is, at '' peak'' how many off us can be treated at all.

It didn't take much for one small ward to run out of breathing equipment and oxygen monitor stuff years ago.

We all have to just carry on until we all drop and the don't get access to help?.
I went through this in 2007 when labouring women were turned away from hospitals because the ward was full and those inside were not being taken care of either. I had my baby in 2007 and more than fear of birth was my fear of being turned away and giving birth on a road side.

furry 💐
For your own health, do take another week off

I had "genuine" flu for the only time in my life when I was a very fit 40
I went back to work after 2 weeks - and within a few days caught another dose and was off another 2 weeks
I was absolutely shattered and so weak, even after all symptoms had gone

It took me at least 4 months to get back to my previous level of gym fitness
and I had a return to work interview because of 2 absences so quickly

Nellodee thank you . I am very articulate but have not been able to explain to my children as to why this virus is such a threat .Am not a great fan of figures and tend to look at the physical problems..!!

btw since then I've always had an annual flu jab
and no flu since

@Springinsight i am concerned about this too.
I was fortunate to be able to go on a nebulizer etc and be prescribed with lots of drugs and be looked after. I know it sounds grim, but the thought of being left at home to just get on with it would probably be disastrous.

FIL definitely has a different mindset because he nearly died, which I get, but yes I wish he could see that it's not only about 'me'. He's one of the ones I worry about because he ticks several high risk categories.

Perspectives may change soon.

Had to skip a few pages to catch up! But re the COVID-19 virus having '4 strands of HIV in it', I found this recent article where it's debunked.

www.bioworld.com/articles/433087-article-headline

This excerpt:

The research “was very shoddily done,” Bedford said. “The sequence differences are not unique to COVID-19. Closely related [bat] coronaviruses have these chunks as well. They are small motifs used by nature over and over again.”

The paper was swiftly withdrawn from Biorxiv, but the allegations continue to have a life of their own on social media, with stories headlined “Scientists confirm” COVID-19 is “man-made.”