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Coronavirus thread 12

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VivaLeBeaver · 04/03/2020 17:48

Can’t see one? Sorry if there is one.

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ofwarren · 05/03/2020 09:34

More like that they received a huge backlash Lizzie.

ifonly4 · 05/03/2020 09:34

spacecadetagain another here whose had pneumonia twice. I had it at 38 and 42 despite no any respiratory issues. It's extremely debilitating, hard to keep warm, hard to get breath in and painful. I don't know how you recover if ABs aren't going to work in this case.

Having said that, I have to and want to live my life. I'm taking more through handwashing onboard, have sanitizer (as do family) trying not to touch face and surfaces when I'm out in public. Am now shopping at quieter times, either 8am or around 9.30am here, so I can avoid close contact. Over the last month I've also been eating much better, definitely getting my five a day, not just grabbing toast for a quick lunch, having sandwich and salad etc. Also, getting plenty of fresh and keeping fit. All in the hope my immune system is as good as it can be.

FelicityFebruary · 05/03/2020 09:34

Fair enough @Enoughisenoughhhhh , I am leaving now.

WaterSheep · 05/03/2020 09:35

Chief medical officer blames "communications fumble" for incorrect reports that Govt was to cease giving details of locations

Can't they just own up. The change in tactic is because of the public outrage. Had people just accepted their decision, they wouldn't have continued to report locations.

LarkDescending · 05/03/2020 09:36

Delaying the outbreak

Whitty says this approach overlaps in many ways with contain. He says if you can push back the peak of the outbreak, you get at least two, and possibly three benefits.

He says you delay the peak until the NHS is in a better to respond.

He says you also get more time to deal with the disease, either by managing it or developing drugs.

And he says there may be a seasonal element to this; if you move into spring and the summer, the rate of infection may go down. That is the case with flu, he says.

woodchuck99 · 05/03/2020 09:37

I think there is going to be a sharp increase in cases today. I'm annoyed by the lack of reporting on where the cases are. I know (via a reliable source) that a pupil in a school near me has been diagnosed but the school is still open and nobody has been informed.

RedToothBrush · 05/03/2020 09:39

Norman Smith @bbcnormans
Govt may issue specific advice for the elderly on how to minimise risk from #Coronavirus

LarkDescending · 05/03/2020 09:40

From the government’s published plan:

The Delay phase – actions to date

Many of the actions involved in the Contain phase also act to help Delay the onset of an epidemic if it becomes inevitable. These include case finding and isolation of early cases.

Many of the actions that people can take themselves – especially washing hands more; and the catch it, bin it, kill it strategy for those with coughs and sneezes – also help in delaying the peak of the infection.

Our experts are considering what other actions will be most effective in slowing the spread of the virus in the UK, as more information about it emerges. Some of these will have social costs where the benefit of doing them to Delay the peak will need to be considered against the social impact. The best possible scientific advice and other experts will inform any decision on what will be most effective.

Delaying the spread of the disease requires all of us to follow the advice set out below. The benefits of doing so are that if the peak of the outbreak can be delayed until the warmer months, we can reduce significantly the risk of overlapping with seasonal flu and other challenges (societal or medical) that the colder months bring.

The Delay phase also buys time for the testing of drugs and initial development of vaccines and/or improved therapies or tests to help reduce the impact of the disease. There is therefore a strong dependency between the different elements of our approach.

RedToothBrush · 05/03/2020 09:40

Chief medical officer blames "communications fumble" for incorrect reports that Govt was to cease giving details of locations

Unsurprised.

Position yesterday was untenable nonsense. Public wouldn't stand for it.

furrytoebean · 05/03/2020 09:41

I've just deleted someone on my Instagram who has just posted about how this is all a way to get us to take a vaccine that will control our minds and we need to resist any vaccine with our lives. She used the phrase 'new world order' Confused

She's young and healthy so will probably survive the virus but could pass it on and kill god knows how many people (she runs a restaurant).

The weird thing is is that she's normally a very sensible person, I am amazed by this from her.
Makes me wonder how we can fight this when so many people have fallen down the rabbit hole and are slightly brainwashed by the internet.

LarkDescending · 05/03/2020 09:43

More from the official plan:

The Delay phase – next steps

If the disease becomes established in the UK, we will need to consider further measures to reduce the rate and extent of its spread. Based on experience with previous outbreaks, it may be that widespread exposure in the UK is inevitable; but slowing it down would still nonetheless be beneficial.

For example, health services are less busy in the summer months when flu and other winter bugs are not driving GP consultations and hospital admissions. In the 2009 ‘swine flu’ pandemic school holidays significantly slowed transmission of the virus.

We will increase publicity about the need for good hygiene measures (hand washing, and catch it, bin it, kill it) and further promote the need for people with symptoms to stay at home for the full duration of their illness.

Other action will be considered to help achieve a Delay in the spread of the disease. We will aim to minimise the social and economic impact, subject to keeping people safe. Such judgements will be informed based on the best available and most up-to-date scientific evidence, and take into account the trade-offs involved.

Action that would be considered could include population distancing strategies (such as school closures, encouraging greater home working, reducing the number of large-scale gatherings) to slow the spread of the disease throughout the population, while ensuring the country’s ability to continue to run as normally as possible. The UK governments’ education departments’ planning assumptions include the possibility of having to close educational settings in order to reduce the spread of infection.

We would consider such measures in order to protect vulnerable individuals with underlying illnesses and thus at greater more at risk of becoming seriously affected by the disease. The effectiveness of these actions will need to be balanced against their impact on society.

abitoflight · 05/03/2020 09:43

Anyone got a live map?

RedToothBrush · 05/03/2020 09:44

The weird thing is is that she's normally a very sensible person, I am amazed by this from her.
Makes me wonder how we can fight this when so many people have fallen down the rabbit hole and are slightly brainwashed by the internet

The Hollywood Effect where people think there is a super villain out there rather than the more mundane but equally disastrous merely selfish or incompetent people.

sparkly72 · 05/03/2020 09:44

@theTeenageyears thank you, that's a great link

NotJustACigar · 05/03/2020 09:46

Surely it can't be normal to think that way, furrytoebean? That sounds absolutely delusional to the nth degree. I'm really shocked by that! I thought the cries of "fake news" were overblown but based on that perhaps not! Shock

I'm hoping that the "delay" phase includes measures such as parents being permitted to keep children home from school without penalty, banning large gatherings, and encouraging people to work from home.... Rather than just taking the "I'm alright Jack" approach of cancelling parliament which has made me so angry I could spit.

Furfockssake · 05/03/2020 09:47

The delay phase is what we’re seeing in Italy. School closures, location specific lock downs etc

NotJustACigar · 05/03/2020 09:48

Maybe if they hurry up and get on with it we won't see an Italy-type situation here.

frumpety · 05/03/2020 09:49

I think treatment for those who are otherwise well and do not develop severe chest infection type symptoms who might need oxygen therapy, will be along the lines of bed rest , ibuprofen if you are able to take it which helps with the muscle aches and also reduces temperature, keeping well hydrated. Not a lot else will be available to those who can manage at home I don't think ?
You could always try gargling and swallowing gin or having a couple of hot toddies if you are allowed alcohol. Might not have any scientific benefits other than making you feel a bit better. Smile

RedToothBrush · 05/03/2020 09:49

Re closures and lockdowns, its important to keep the following in mind.

m.huffingtonpost.co.uk/entry/coronavirus-spread-could-drag-hundreds-of-thousands-into-poverty-campaigners-fear_uk_5e5e3f47c5b67ed38b384eed
Coronavirus Is Dividing The Rich And Poor – And Could Drag Hundreds Of Thousands Into Poverty
Self-isolation, home working and stockpiling are not options for those living paycheque-to-paycheque

Jess Brammar @jessbrammar
Our lead story this morn is about how Covid19, like everything else, will divide haves and have-nots. Heating during the day. Broadband. A laptop. A job you can do at home. Enough disposable income to stockpile food and medicine. A freezer. Full sick pay

I’ve found myself mentally planning for a potential long stretch of working from home, and what a luxury to be able to do that, safely and warmly. Nevermind having a manual job you can’t do at home, how do you self-isolate without money for food? Or a freezer? Broadband?

How about health impacts of poverty, and the likelihood of people on very low income having compromised immune systems. Can’t help thinking that a bit of sensible preventative behaviour & calm from people who have econ means to protect themselves best might help focus priorities

WaterSheep · 05/03/2020 09:51

Does anyone know why encouraging greater home working isn't part of the containment phase?

If people are able to work from home then surely that helps to contain the spread of the virus, as there are less people on public transport / sharing a workspace.

frumpety · 05/03/2020 09:53

Its about 4 weeks until the children break up for Easter round here, if they can delay the spread until then, there is an inbuilt school closure of 2 weeks.

Abraid2 · 05/03/2020 09:54

Perhaps one positive might be that mass commuting becomes less generally acceptable as a result of CV.

And another might be better hygiene. Throwing tissues in the bin (not like the contractor who was blowing his nose and throwing the tissues out of the window a few months ago, while he was talking to me. Not sure who he thought would pick them up.) And people not spitting on the pavement, etc.

Blueberryham · 05/03/2020 09:55

I am kind of expecting everything to get worse over the Easter holidays as people I speak to are still planning on going away on holiday so there will be lots of travelling and mixing

MarshaBradyo · 05/03/2020 09:56

WaterSheep agree

If you you can work from home do - simple message

Same could be said for non-essential travel