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The 'Positive Mental Health' Corona virus thread

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RapidRainbow · 13/02/2020 10:42

There are a lot of posts of people worrying. I thought it could be helpful to share positive and assuring information in one thread.

For me, the most reassuring thing so far is the fact that of approx. 1500 people in the UK suspected to have and tested for CV have come back as negative.

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Zoidbergonthehalfshell · 07/03/2020 08:07

One of my friends shared this on my Fb feed this morning. Apologies for cutting and pasting such a lengthy article: I couldn't think of another way to share it, and I thought it was worth reading.

"I'm a doctor and an Infectious Diseases Specialist. I've been at this for more than 20 years seeing sick patients on a daily basis. I have worked in inner city hospitals and in the poorest slums of Africa. HIV-AIDS, Hepatitis,TB, SARS, Measles, Shingles, Whooping cough, Diphtheria...there is little I haven't been exposed to in my profession. And with notable exception of SARS, very little has left me feeling vulnerable, overwhelmed or downright scared.

I am not scared of Covid-19. I am concerned about the implications of a novel infectious agent that has spread the world over and continues to find new footholds in different soil. I am rightly concerned for the welfare of those who are elderly, in frail health or disenfranchised who stand to suffer mostly, and disproportionately, at the hands of this new scourge. But I am not scared of Covid-19.

What I am scared about is the loss of reason and wave of fear that has induced the masses of society into a spellbinding spiral of panic, stockpiling obscene quantities of anything that could fill a bomb shelter adequately in a post-apocalyptic world. I am scared of the N95 masks that are stolen from hospitals and urgent care clinics where they are actually needed for front line healthcare providers and instead are being donned in airports, malls, and coffee lounges, perpetuating even more fear and suspicion of others. I am scared that our hospitals will be overwhelmed with anyone who thinks they " probably don't have it but may as well get checked out no matter what because you just never know..." and those with heart failure, emphysema, pneumonia and strokes will pay the price for overfilled ER waiting rooms with only so many doctors and nurses to assess.

I am scared that travel restrictions will become so far reaching that weddings will be canceled, graduations missed and family reunions will not materialize. And well, even that big party called the Olympic Games...that could be kyboshed too. Can you even
imagine?

I'm scared those same epidemic fears will limit trade, harm partnerships in multiple sectors, business and otherwise and ultimately culminate in a global recession.

But mostly, I'm scared about what message we are telling our kids when faced with a threat. Instead of reason, rationality, openmindedness and altruism, we are telling them to panic, be fearful, suspicious, reactionary and self-interested.

Covid-19 is nowhere near over. It will be coming to a city, a hospital, a friend, even a family member near you at some point. Expect it. Stop waiting to be surprised further. The fact is the virus itself will not likely do much harm when it arrives. But our own behaviors and "fight for yourself above all else" attitude could prove disastrous.

I implore you all. Temper fear with reason, panic with patience and uncertainty with education. We have an opportunity to learn a great deal about health hygiene and limiting the spread of innumerable transmissible diseases in our society. Let's meet this challenge together in the best spirit of compassion for others, patience, and above all, an unfailing effort to seek truth, facts and knowledge as opposed to conjecture, speculation and catastrophizing.

Facts not fear. Clean hands. Open hearts.
Our children will thank us for it."

PineappleDanish · 07/03/2020 08:10

I also saw tweets today from Laura Bicker - the BBC South Korea correspondent:

I keep being asked about the mortality rate of #coronavirus in South Korea and why it’s lower than other around the world. Health experts have told me the following:

  1. Mass testing means they can detect the virus early, and that means early intervention...

  2. the first few days of treatment for those with underlying conditions appears to be crucial. The worst effects of the virus seems to be in the 2nd week.

  3. This is all STILL very early to be making a conclusion about mortality rates.

So it seems as though South Korea, which arguably is far more westernised than other Asian countries like China, is doing a lot better with early intervention strategies.

Roussette · 07/03/2020 08:24

On the subject of South Korea... I feel sorry for them. Their infected figures are high but most are linked to a secret religious cult, who are not reporting, resisting, etc etc.

magimedi · 07/03/2020 08:28

@Zoidbergonthehalfshell

great post - so reasoned & rational.

screamer1 · 07/03/2020 08:49

That is great @Zoidbergonthehalfshell

screamer1 · 07/03/2020 08:59

Can I post that in the other thread @Zoidbergonthehalfshell I think it needs it

StCharlotte · 07/03/2020 09:23

Thank God for this thread (it's permanently open on my phone Smile). I've been fairly sanguine about all this up to now but my best friend read out a quote from an "expert" last night. It was terrifying. I barely slept and actually woke up with stomach twinges from anxiety and I am the least anxious person I know. But, after checking in on this thread, I tried to work out what it is I am afraid of.

Am I afraid I or my loved ones will catch it? Not really.

Am I afraid what would happen if I did catch it? A bit. I'm diabetic.

Am I afraid of having to be quarantined? Not really. DH bought the biggest size of Weetabix and stocks of chocolate digestive in our cupboard are good Grin

Am I afraid I'll never get to wear the outfit I bought for a specific event? A bit but only because the event itself might be cancelled.

I could go on obviously and get my knickers even more twisted.

Then I thought that "expert" is one of many many experts, some of whom are saying completly the opposite. Listen to them.

And I've cracked open the Rescue Remedy. It got me through my driving test, it can get me through this!

Thank you for giving me a space for my ramblings...

Eebahgumlass · 07/03/2020 09:30

I ventured onto the other thread. Regret it! I'm only looking here from now on. Good article there by Simon Jenkins.

Sugarmirror · 07/03/2020 09:30

Does anyone know the impact of CV on youngish (40 years) people with moderately high blood pressure that’s not medicated?

I keep reading I have a 6% chance of dying as I have HBP but on the other hand I am otherwise healthy so a (hopeful) part of me thinks this is unlikely and that those stats may not account for age ...any thoughts?

magimedi · 07/03/2020 09:41

Jrob I was coming on to post exactly the same article!

Sugarmirror - I don't think anyone knows that precisely as this virus is too new for meaningful statistics to be gathered & interpreted. Is there any reason why you can't go on medication for your HBP??

magimedi · 07/03/2020 09:45

I was just looking at the 'other' thread (parts 13 & 14) & saw that since yesterday there have been about 1,240 posts.

This thread has been going for over 3 weeks and we have reached 660.

'Nuff said!!

Jrobhatch29 · 07/03/2020 09:54

Im sure theyre half way through part 15 as well. They fill a thread a day. I ventured on last night and had a sleepless night worrying

Alsohuman · 07/03/2020 09:58

I haven’t and won’t look at those threads. Where I live the shops still have supplies of everything including hand sanitiser, albeit all the cheap ones have gone. People seem to be just going about their lives normally.

That’s an excellent article @Zoidbergonthehalfshell and it pretty well sums up how I feel.

Arcadia · 07/03/2020 10:02

Some people feed off drama. It suits the government as well, as a frightened population is a placid compliant one. The newspapers shouldn't be allowed to behave the way they do but I guess the government let them get away with it because of the above.

Sugarmirror · 07/03/2020 10:05

@magimedi because it goes up and down and doctors decided it wasn’t worth it for me to go on...

unluckyagain · 07/03/2020 10:07

I hid those threads but looked at one again this morning. It's worrying how panicked some of them are. I posted that I know someone with Coronavirus who has been very unwell but is now recovering well. They're not interested, they're only interested in bad news.

We all need to take precautions and be careful with hygiene but life is for living.

I've hidden the thread again.

magimedi · 07/03/2020 10:14

@Sugarmirror Would it be worth asking them again, in view of the virus??

HairyFloppins · 07/03/2020 10:18

Did they have to go into hospital @unluckyagain or did they stay at home. Glad they are on the mend.

The other thread scares me but there are also some great posters.

Thymelord · 07/03/2020 10:23

I have had a quick look at the 'other' thread. My GOD! There are people on there who are positively thriving on the drama. They must be refreshing news feeds and twitter every 60 seconds. Updates with hashtags and figures and "breaking news". It's ridiculous. Whipping up pure panic in people that clearly need to get themselves a grip. Stockpiling toilet rolls? Idiots! That turned into a rant but it's actually really irritated me. Blush

In the real world, we went out last night for an after work drink (which turned into 7 drinks and now I can't move my head 😭). The bar was heaving, people getting on with their friday nights, no fear or panic in sight. It reassured me to see that people are just going about their business.

MarshaBradyo · 07/03/2020 10:23

Unlucky sometimes people don’t ask as the phew that post say I can’t say much which is fair enough. But I did wonder if they went to hospital?

I rarely listen to LBC (can’t stand ads have to turn it off) but very interesting American WHO Dr talking about it. Very positive about U.K. govt and the ability to crank it down from the oft quoted 60% infection.

Roussette · 07/03/2020 10:29

I can't go on those threads, I know I'd get banned and after managing 16 years or more here, I refuse to be whipped up into a frenzy!

To be frank, I find those threads completely irreponsible. When this is over, what are they going to do?

I agree Marsha I think the UK are very well placed to cope with this. I listened to someone the other day who talked about the fact that having the NHS means health professionals all over the country talk to each other. The countries that don't have that, like the US, means that it's an area lottery and traceability is all but impossible.

Jrobhatch29 · 07/03/2020 10:30

I have to admit ive barely left the house all week because im pregnant and terrified. Ive brought my little boys to football. The class is full. The gyms full. Theres a class of pregnant women doing yoga. Nobody else seems to be worrying apart from me. I had a scan yesterday and ended up getting upset and had a long talk with a midwife. She said the hype is unbelievable and that its sucking the happiness out of everything for alot of people. She also said she wasnt expecting to be delivering babies in a hazmat suit!

unluckyagain · 07/03/2020 10:31

Yes, the person I know did have to go to hospital. Now recovering well. A small number of their friends/family have also tested positive but have either had very mild symptoms or no symptoms at all. So not all bad news.

Roussette · 07/03/2020 10:40

Jrob your midwife talks sense.

We are much older than many on here, and in a couple of weekends time we are off to London
Train, tube, tube, theatre, tube, meal, tube and so on. Every day will be like that for 4 days.

Life goes on. We are meticulous with hand washing etc but I refuse to put my life on hold