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Squeezingwildoranges · 05/10/2026 13:38

OpheliaWasntMad · 05/10/2026 13:30

Nothing to say about the post that minimised and misrepresented the Holocaust?
Are pro Pals Holocaust deniers now?

Absolutely not. What we don't accept, or at least I don't, is that as awful as the Holocaust was, it does not give European Jews the right or justify in any way their treatment of the Palestinian people. As you so kindly highlighted to me, it was a European issue.

OpheliaWasntMad · 05/10/2026 13:38

Martymcfly24 · 04/10/2026 12:30

Yes 30%in the difference.

Your post clears up the motion that Oct 7th was a genocide as only 0.0125% of the Israeli population was murdered then which is even less than 3%.

This is the post @SingingShrews

HowtheJetsLag · 05/10/2026 13:39

Squeezingwildoranges · 05/10/2026 11:36

True. It is about as relevant to this thread as you talking about the Holocaust. Something that if I brought up would get reported for inversion.

@EnoughIsEnoughSortThisOut Simply bringing up the Holocaust isn't Holocaust inversion as I'm sure you know.

OpheliaWasntMad · 05/10/2026 13:41

Squeezingwildoranges · 05/10/2026 13:38

Absolutely not. What we don't accept, or at least I don't, is that as awful as the Holocaust was, it does not give European Jews the right or justify in any way their treatment of the Palestinian people. As you so kindly highlighted to me, it was a European issue.

I haven’t said the Holocaust justifies any bad treatment of others. And as far as I know no one else on here has either.

I do object to it being minimised and trivialised and used for ridiculous and offensive point scoring

SingingShrews · 05/10/2026 13:43

OpheliaWasntMad · 05/10/2026 13:38

This is the post @SingingShrews

She was saying that there was 30% in the difference between a previous posters '96% of Jews were slaughtered' and the actual number of 63%.

That's why her post says '30% in the difference' not '30% of Jews died' like you claimed she is saying.

Squeezingwildoranges · 05/10/2026 13:53

OpheliaWasntMad · 05/10/2026 13:41

I haven’t said the Holocaust justifies any bad treatment of others. And as far as I know no one else on here has either.

I do object to it being minimised and trivialised and used for ridiculous and offensive point scoring

But it was used to trivialise the ongoing genocide in Gaza because not as big a percentage of the Gaza population has been massacred yet.

OpheliaWasntMad · 05/10/2026 14:00

Squeezingwildoranges · 05/10/2026 13:53

But it was used to trivialise the ongoing genocide in Gaza because not as big a percentage of the Gaza population has been massacred yet.

3% of Palestinians have been killed and that is terrible.
It has not yet been judged a genocide.
You may consider it a genocide but you are not the ICJ.

Squeezingwildoranges · 05/10/2026 14:04

OpheliaWasntMad · 05/10/2026 14:00

3% of Palestinians have been killed and that is terrible.
It has not yet been judged a genocide.
You may consider it a genocide but you are not the ICJ.

True but neither is Omer Bartov. I'll go with his opinion until the ICJ confirms it.

Martymcfly24 · 05/10/2026 16:07

OpheliaWasntMad · 04/10/2026 23:07

What on earth have you put the worldwide percentage in there for ( unless it’s to try to minimise the genocide - which was in Europe - not worldwide)
63% of Jews in Europe were killed compared to 3% of Palestinians in Gaza

Are you ok Ophelia?

The poster had not made the distinction in the previous post just used the words "WW2 96% of Jews were slaughtered" a figure they had clearly made up so I clarified the two figures because their post sounded like it was worldwide so I used the two numbers which were sourced from the Holocaust Foundation. There was no malice in my post and you seem to have created an issue from nothing.

Martymcfly24 · 05/10/2026 16:12

SingingShrews · 05/10/2026 13:43

She was saying that there was 30% in the difference between a previous posters '96% of Jews were slaughtered' and the actual number of 63%.

That's why her post says '30% in the difference' not '30% of Jews died' like you claimed she is saying.

Thank you @SingingShrews for supporting me. It's absolutely awful to misrepresented in this way about something so serious when some simple reading properly would have prevented it from happening.

Gloriia · 05/10/2026 16:14

Martymcfly24 · 05/10/2026 16:07

Are you ok Ophelia?

The poster had not made the distinction in the previous post just used the words "WW2 96% of Jews were slaughtered" a figure they had clearly made up so I clarified the two figures because their post sounded like it was worldwide so I used the two numbers which were sourced from the Holocaust Foundation. There was no malice in my post and you seem to have created an issue from nothing.

90% of Jews in Poland were murdered
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Holocaust_in_Poland

That is genocide. Do try Google before accusing posters of 'making things up'.

3% deaths in gaza, it is what happens in a conflict. That is not genocide. Hope that helps.

Gloriia · 05/10/2026 16:15

Martymcfly24 · 05/10/2026 16:12

Thank you @SingingShrews for supporting me. It's absolutely awful to misrepresented in this way about something so serious when some simple reading properly would have prevented it from happening.

Misrepresenting?? You've just accused me of making something up!

It is awful I agree.

Martymcfly24 · 05/10/2026 16:17

Gloriia · 05/10/2026 16:15

Misrepresenting?? You've just accused me of making something up!

It is awful I agree.

So 96% of Jews were killed in WW2 then?

Gloriia · 05/10/2026 16:21

Martymcfly24 · 05/10/2026 16:17

So 96% of Jews were killed in WW2 then?

90% of Jews in Poland were murdered. That was in ww2 yes and that was genocide.

3% of gazans were killed because of a war that hamas started in the gazan conflict. That was not genocide.

Would you like me to keep repeating?

Martymcfly24 · 05/10/2026 16:22

Gloriia · 05/10/2026 16:21

90% of Jews in Poland were murdered. That was in ww2 yes and that was genocide.

3% of gazans were killed because of a war that hamas started in the gazan conflict. That was not genocide.

Would you like me to keep repeating?

No because you are just trying to distract from the fact that you completely made up the 96% figure and never mentioned Poland.

Gloriia · 05/10/2026 16:26

Martymcfly24 · 05/10/2026 16:22

No because you are just trying to distract from the fact that you completely made up the 96% figure and never mentioned Poland.

You do know Poland was occupied by the nazis in WW2 yes?

90% of Jews in Poland murdered in WW2. That is genocide.

3% gazans killed in a conflict is not.

Martymcfly24 · 05/10/2026 16:28

Gloriia · 05/10/2026 16:26

You do know Poland was occupied by the nazis in WW2 yes?

90% of Jews in Poland murdered in WW2. That is genocide.

3% gazans killed in a conflict is not.

Ok.

Still made up the 96% and never mentioned Poland hence the comprehension difficulties from other posters.
Good luck 👍

backformoreofthesame · 05/10/2026 16:28

Approx 2/3 of Europe’s Jewish population 6 million - was murdered in the holocaust

and a few million more other people

you would think therefore that Jewish people above all would recognise the futility and evilness of mass murder , of killing civilians and children

SingingShrews · 05/10/2026 16:33

Martymcfly24 · 05/10/2026 16:12

Thank you @SingingShrews for supporting me. It's absolutely awful to misrepresented in this way about something so serious when some simple reading properly would have prevented it from happening.

No bother. Anyone who has read the thread can see what you have said, I wouldn't worry about it. You're posts are clear.

Gloriia · 05/10/2026 16:42

Martymcfly24 · 05/10/2026 16:28

Ok.

Still made up the 96% and never mentioned Poland hence the comprehension difficulties from other posters.
Good luck 👍

Never mentioned Poland? It was occupied and was in ww2! Ok I'll try to list all countries next time I mention the war.

'Made up' I've no idea why you are nitpicking about this. 90% of their Jewish population murdered.

Disclaimer I did say 96% earlier I should have said 90, not that is makes the blindest bit of difference it still demonstrates the massive numbers Confused.

3% is not genocide. It's deaths in a conflict that was caused by hamas

inamarina · 05/10/2026 16:49

backformoreofthesame · 05/10/2026 16:28

Approx 2/3 of Europe’s Jewish population 6 million - was murdered in the holocaust

and a few million more other people

you would think therefore that Jewish people above all would recognise the futility and evilness of mass murder , of killing civilians and children

Using the Holocaust to lecture Jewish people on morality is such a manipulative tactic.

No other group is told that because their ancestors survived persecution, they have a unique obligation to remain defenceless when attacked.

Israel isn't engaging in an industrialised program of mass murder, it is fighting an urban war against a terrorist group that explicitly wants to repeat October 7th.

OpheliaWasntMad · 05/10/2026 16:57

Martymcfly24 · 05/10/2026 16:17

So 96% of Jews were killed in WW2 then?

So why did you use “ a percentage of Jews killed worldwide “ figure? What was that about? You know the Holocaust happened in Europe? It’s the affected countries that are relevant- Lithuania, Poland, Germany

OpheliaWasntMad · 05/10/2026 17:09

Martymcfly24 · 05/10/2026 16:07

Are you ok Ophelia?

The poster had not made the distinction in the previous post just used the words "WW2 96% of Jews were slaughtered" a figure they had clearly made up so I clarified the two figures because their post sounded like it was worldwide so I used the two numbers which were sourced from the Holocaust Foundation. There was no malice in my post and you seem to have created an issue from nothing.

Im not really OK with this sort of quibbling about the numbers in the Holocaust.
The number 96% is true of the numbers killed in some countries. ( Lithuania)
In other countries the rate was not so catastrophically high.
The fact that Jewish people were hunted and murdered in so many countries is chilling enough. We’re not just talking about one small area . It was a whole continent.
And now there are people who minimise it and deny the right of Israel to exist.
No - none of that is OK with me.

Martymcfly24 · 05/10/2026 17:13

OpheliaWasntMad · 05/10/2026 16:57

So why did you use “ a percentage of Jews killed worldwide “ figure? What was that about? You know the Holocaust happened in Europe? It’s the affected countries that are relevant- Lithuania, Poland, Germany

Because the poster did not clarify what Jewish population she was talking about which is why I put in both figures .

It's really not that big of a deal but there's obviously an agenda behind creating the furore.

OpheliaWasntMad · 05/10/2026 17:21

Martymcfly24 · 05/10/2026 17:13

Because the poster did not clarify what Jewish population she was talking about which is why I put in both figures .

It's really not that big of a deal but there's obviously an agenda behind creating the furore.

What was your agenda ?

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