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OpheliaWasntMad · 04/10/2026 23:07

Martymcfly24 · 04/10/2026 10:19

The real numbers are
63% of European Jews were slaughtered.
Or 36% of worldwide Jewish people.

Like the numbers are horrific enough without just making things up.

What on earth have you put the worldwide percentage in there for ( unless it’s to try to minimise the genocide - which was in Europe - not worldwide)
63% of Jews in Europe were killed compared to 3% of Palestinians in Gaza

OpheliaWasntMad · 04/10/2026 23:08

Martymcfly24 · 04/10/2026 12:30

Yes 30%in the difference.

Your post clears up the motion that Oct 7th was a genocide as only 0.0125% of the Israeli population was murdered then which is even less than 3%.

No - 60% difference ( at least)
Talk about trying to minimise the Holocaust

OpheliaWasntMad · 04/10/2026 23:10

Gloriia · 04/10/2026 13:01

Confused

Most people understand that Oct 7th was an atrocity, not genocide. I've certainly never suggested it was genocide.

If hamas and hezbollah had've got their act together they'd certainly have killed many more though.

Yes. If Hamas had their way they would have killed every Jew in Israel .

OpheliaWasntMad · 04/10/2026 23:29

Martymcfly24 · 04/10/2026 12:30

Yes 30%in the difference.

Your post clears up the motion that Oct 7th was a genocide as only 0.0125% of the Israeli population was murdered then which is even less than 3%.

This is disgraceful that you have manipulated the figures in this way.
You are comparing the percentage of Jews killed worldwide ( there were no gas chambers in US or in the UK!) to the percentage of Oalestinians killed in Gaza. This is innumerate nonsense designed to minimise the Holocaust.
Shameful

OpheliaWasntMad · 04/10/2026 23:33

Fififerry1 · 04/10/2026 02:06

Just stop this. Any normal, fair minded person understands that the BBC is doing the very best it can to report on what is happening whilst treading an impossible line. The truth is unpalatable for both sides but Israel are undoubtedly controlling the narrative. The unholy alliance determined to destroy the BBC will make us all poorer. They are not above criticism but be very careful what you wish for.

I honestly don’t know how anyone can think Israel is controlling the narrative on the day that a major UK political party successfully voted to adopt the policy that Zionism is a form of racism.

OpheliaWasntMad · 04/10/2026 23:43

Exponential rise in antisemitism ( which posters on here say is Israel’s fault)
Weekly pro Pal marches
Palestinian flags and keffiyehs proudly worn everywhere while Jewish schoolchildren have to hide the fact that they’re Jewish
Green Party leader refuses to say Israel has right to exist
Macklemore gets feted even though he is clearly an antisemite and dresses up as a caricature of a Jew.etc etc

No -Israel is not controlling the narrative.
Hamas has got off remarkably lightly in terms of criticism. They have controlled the narrative .

Twiglets1 · 05/10/2026 10:24

I think that's fair to say @OpheliaWasntMad

Twiglets1 · 05/10/2026 10:27

OpheliaWasntMad · 04/10/2026 23:33

I honestly don’t know how anyone can think Israel is controlling the narrative on the day that a major UK political party successfully voted to adopt the policy that Zionism is a form of racism.

Exactly, if Israel was controlling the narrative they wouldn't have allowed the Green party to decide that Israel no longer needs to exist.

Squeezingwildoranges · 05/10/2026 11:16

The irony of all this is that when Theodore Herzl envisioned his Jewish homeland it was not meant to be the racist ethnocracy it is today. Zionism was never meant to be a racist ideology. In Der Judenstaat, Herzl was clear about keeping religion out of politics. "Shall we end by having a theocracy? No, indeed... We shall keep our priests within the confines of their temples... They must not interfere in the administration of the State." From his novel Altneuland, it is clear his vision was a single state solution with equal rights for all where Jews, Christians and Muslims could live together. That is the kind of Zionism I could get behind, not the brutal oppressive one that is Israel today.

Twiglets1 · 05/10/2026 11:29

Squeezingwildoranges · 05/10/2026 11:16

The irony of all this is that when Theodore Herzl envisioned his Jewish homeland it was not meant to be the racist ethnocracy it is today. Zionism was never meant to be a racist ideology. In Der Judenstaat, Herzl was clear about keeping religion out of politics. "Shall we end by having a theocracy? No, indeed... We shall keep our priests within the confines of their temples... They must not interfere in the administration of the State." From his novel Altneuland, it is clear his vision was a single state solution with equal rights for all where Jews, Christians and Muslims could live together. That is the kind of Zionism I could get behind, not the brutal oppressive one that is Israel today.

What has that got to do with the BBC referring to dead terrorists as journalists?

Absolutely nothing.

Squeezingwildoranges · 05/10/2026 11:36

Twiglets1 · 05/10/2026 11:29

What has that got to do with the BBC referring to dead terrorists as journalists?

Absolutely nothing.

True. It is about as relevant to this thread as you talking about the Holocaust. Something that if I brought up would get reported for inversion.

OpheliaWasntMad · 05/10/2026 12:26

Squeezingwildoranges · 05/10/2026 11:36

True. It is about as relevant to this thread as you talking about the Holocaust. Something that if I brought up would get reported for inversion.

I think the way some posters minimise the Holocaust is relevant as it reflects the way Hamas propaganda has succeeded

Squeezingwildoranges · 05/10/2026 12:37

OpheliaWasntMad · 05/10/2026 12:26

I think the way some posters minimise the Holocaust is relevant as it reflects the way Hamas propaganda has succeeded

Who has minimised the Holocaust? I was merely responding to someone who questioned the relevance of my post to the thread topic.

backformoreofthesame · 05/10/2026 12:50

That the holocaust is being used as an excuse to justify what Isreal is doing is utterly disgusting and disrespectful and to the Jews , Roma, gays and disabled people who were killed by the nazis.

zoeslim · 05/10/2026 12:53

Because the BBC is left wing full of woke imbeciles and supports terrorists like Hamas cheerfully not mentioning Oct 7
I do not believe anything i see on the Brutish Biased corp now

zoeslim · 05/10/2026 12:53

OpheliaWasntMad · 05/10/2026 12:26

I think the way some posters minimise the Holocaust is relevant as it reflects the way Hamas propaganda has succeeded

Agree 100%

backformoreofthesame · 05/10/2026 12:55

zoeslim · 05/10/2026 12:53

Because the BBC is left wing full of woke imbeciles and supports terrorists like Hamas cheerfully not mentioning Oct 7
I do not believe anything i see on the Brutish Biased corp now

they don’t mention every date that Israeli soldiers illegally kill children either - so that’s fair isn’t it?

OpheliaWasntMad · 05/10/2026 13:14

Squeezingwildoranges · 05/10/2026 12:37

Who has minimised the Holocaust? I was merely responding to someone who questioned the relevance of my post to the thread topic.

If you read the thread you’ll see where a pp tried to claim 30% of Jews died in the Holocaust. She used worldwide figures rather than using the number of European Jews. That’s an attempt to minimise the Holocaust . The true percentage was at least 63% ( it varies from country to country- over 90% of Lithuanian Jews died - very few Norwegians because Norway helped the Jews to get out. If Jews hadn’t escaped the death toll would be closer to 100%)

Squeezingwildoranges · 05/10/2026 13:25

OpheliaWasntMad · 05/10/2026 13:14

If you read the thread you’ll see where a pp tried to claim 30% of Jews died in the Holocaust. She used worldwide figures rather than using the number of European Jews. That’s an attempt to minimise the Holocaust . The true percentage was at least 63% ( it varies from country to country- over 90% of Lithuanian Jews died - very few Norwegians because Norway helped the Jews to get out. If Jews hadn’t escaped the death toll would be closer to 100%)

Well I'm glad you only want to consider it as the European Jewish population. Now tell me again why it is a Middle Eastern population who are being punished for the actions of Europeans against the European Jewish population.

dustabsorber · 05/10/2026 13:25

OpheliaWasntMad · 04/10/2026 23:10

Yes. If Hamas had their way they would have killed every Jew in Israel .

That is now Green Party policy, isn't it?

inamarina · 05/10/2026 13:29

notwhingingjuststatingfacts · 04/10/2026 11:43

And many people more experienced and knowledgeable than either of us are now calling it a genocide. Politicians and experts all over the world are doing so. And it is being actively investigated as such

And many people who are more experienced and knowledgeable than us don’t.

OpheliaWasntMad · 05/10/2026 13:30

Squeezingwildoranges · 05/10/2026 13:25

Well I'm glad you only want to consider it as the European Jewish population. Now tell me again why it is a Middle Eastern population who are being punished for the actions of Europeans against the European Jewish population.

Nothing to say about the post that minimised and misrepresented the Holocaust?
Are pro Pals Holocaust deniers now?

OpheliaWasntMad · 05/10/2026 13:32

dustabsorber · 05/10/2026 13:25

That is now Green Party policy, isn't it?

It would seem so . Hamas propaganda is incredibly successful it would seem.

SingingShrews · 05/10/2026 13:34

OpheliaWasntMad · 05/10/2026 13:14

If you read the thread you’ll see where a pp tried to claim 30% of Jews died in the Holocaust. She used worldwide figures rather than using the number of European Jews. That’s an attempt to minimise the Holocaust . The true percentage was at least 63% ( it varies from country to country- over 90% of Lithuanian Jews died - very few Norwegians because Norway helped the Jews to get out. If Jews hadn’t escaped the death toll would be closer to 100%)

I've read the thread. I don't see it. Surely this isn't what you are talking about:

The real numbers are
63% of European Jews were slaughtered.
Or 36% of worldwide Jewish people.
Like the numbers are horrific enough without just making things up.

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