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Conflict in the Middle East

Concerns about Israeli plans for Gaza and Palestinian displacement

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JadeHare · 28/05/2026 17:16

https://www.cnn.com/2026/05/28/middleeast/israel-netanyahu-military-70-percent-gaza-intl

Doesn’t look like there will be much land left for the Palestinians.

And in other news, from the Guardian:

“Israel’s defence minister has said he is committed to the ethnic cleansing of Gaza through large-scale migration of Palestinians as part of Israel’s long-term plans for the territory.
Israel Katz said the government would implement a plan for large numbers of Palestinians to leave Gaza “at the right time and in the right manner”, in a statement on Wednesday marking the targeted killing of Mohammed Odeh, Hamas’s most recent military commander.
Pushing for mass departures violates Donald Trump’s ceasefire plan for Gaza, which Israel signed last year. The second point of the plan states: “Gaza will be redeveloped for the benefit of the people of Gaza, who have suffered more than enough.”
Israel’s government has promoted the prospect of Gaza without Palestinians since Trump suggested early last year that hundreds of thousands of people should leave to “clean out” the strip for reconstruction.
Last year Israel set up a bureau for “voluntary emigration” and eased travel restrictions for Palestinians who wanted to make a one-way journey out of the strip.
The forced transfer of civilian populations is a war crime and a crime against humanity. Israeli officials, including Katz, use the term “voluntary migration” to describe their ”

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Israeli PM Netanyahu says he directed the military to take over 70% of Gaza | CNN

Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu said on Thursday that he had directed Israel’s military to take over 70% of Gaza’s territory.

https://www.cnn.com/2026/05/28/middleeast/israel-netanyahu-military-70-percent-gaza-intl

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Twiglets1 · 11/07/2026 16:57

Mantanora · 11/07/2026 16:49

I think I made myself fairly clear in my response to dairydebris. I really don't want to have to explain it again.

You mentioned 2 people I've never heard of so please explain it to me how, if Hamas has surrendered and put down their arms in the first few weeks, you still think we would have seen as many deaths and as much devastation to Gaza.

I honestly don't understand the position that it would have made no difference if Hamas had surrendered after 7/10/23. So many people would still be alive!

I know there have still been way too many civilian deaths since the ceasefire, but at a much lower rate than before the ceasefire. And also - Hamas have still yet to surrender and have still been attacking the IDF so are still being seen as a threat that needs to be targeted.

MissyB1 · 11/07/2026 17:17

Twiglets1 · 11/07/2026 12:02

The reason the UK government don't call it a genocide, and they have been completely transparent on this, is because they are waiting for the findings from the international court case. If it is determined to be a genocide, the UK government will call it a genocide. In the meantime, they call it a war.

No they are hiding behind “waiting for the international court case”. Very convenient, but of course they will have to admit it one day, and then no doubt it will be “ we were always against what Isreal were doing” as though we would all have developed amnesia 🙄🙄

It was never really a war, that would imply Gaza had proper armed forces that could try and defend its people, we all know that was never the case.

Mantanora · 11/07/2026 17:26

Twiglets1 · 11/07/2026 16:57

You mentioned 2 people I've never heard of so please explain it to me how, if Hamas has surrendered and put down their arms in the first few weeks, you still think we would have seen as many deaths and as much devastation to Gaza.

I honestly don't understand the position that it would have made no difference if Hamas had surrendered after 7/10/23. So many people would still be alive!

I know there have still been way too many civilian deaths since the ceasefire, but at a much lower rate than before the ceasefire. And also - Hamas have still yet to surrender and have still been attacking the IDF so are still being seen as a threat that needs to be targeted.

Right. I'm watching the end of the tennis then going to enjoy my glass of wine in the garden. I will explain to you later, using inductive reasoning, why it is obvious to the whole world that if Hamas lays down it's arms it will stop is pure Hasbara BS!

Twiglets1 · 11/07/2026 17:28

MissyB1 · 11/07/2026 17:17

No they are hiding behind “waiting for the international court case”. Very convenient, but of course they will have to admit it one day, and then no doubt it will be “ we were always against what Isreal were doing” as though we would all have developed amnesia 🙄🙄

It was never really a war, that would imply Gaza had proper armed forces that could try and defend its people, we all know that was never the case.

Just because you have decided a war has to be equal on both sides in terms of having "proper armed forces" that is just something you have come up with, not something that defines a war. Hamas triggered a war with their actions, and had they been successful in killing more Israelis (with the support of others perhaps, who failed to appear to assist them in killing as many Jews as possible) - they would have claimed victory in the ensuing war.

Twiglets1 · 11/07/2026 17:32

Mantanora · 11/07/2026 17:26

Right. I'm watching the end of the tennis then going to enjoy my glass of wine in the garden. I will explain to you later, using inductive reasoning, why it is obvious to the whole world that if Hamas lays down it's arms it will stop is pure Hasbara BS!

That's fair enough and I'm going out shortly to sit in the sun in a pub garden and then watch the football match so there is no hurry 😀

UltraCynica · 11/07/2026 17:33

MissyB1 · 11/07/2026 17:17

No they are hiding behind “waiting for the international court case”. Very convenient, but of course they will have to admit it one day, and then no doubt it will be “ we were always against what Isreal were doing” as though we would all have developed amnesia 🙄🙄

It was never really a war, that would imply Gaza had proper armed forces that could try and defend its people, we all know that was never the case.

Agreed.

The UK gov are also hiding behind that excuse so they can carry selling arms to the Israeli government - if they say it's a genocide they would have to stop. If they agree it's a genocide they will make themselves war criminals if they continue to sell the arms.

The ICJ will not conclude until 2028. By then it will clearly be too late and no doubt the Israeli government are working to that timeline to complete their project.

MissyB1 · 11/07/2026 17:40

UltraCynica · 11/07/2026 17:33

Agreed.

The UK gov are also hiding behind that excuse so they can carry selling arms to the Israeli government - if they say it's a genocide they would have to stop. If they agree it's a genocide they will make themselves war criminals if they continue to sell the arms.

The ICJ will not conclude until 2028. By then it will clearly be too late and no doubt the Israeli government are working to that timeline to complete their project.

Indeed. Money talks, and on that point let’s not forget Ministers (including the Prime Minister) who have received money from Labour friends of Israel….

DrPrunesqualer · 11/07/2026 17:52

Mantanora · 11/07/2026 17:26

Right. I'm watching the end of the tennis then going to enjoy my glass of wine in the garden. I will explain to you later, using inductive reasoning, why it is obvious to the whole world that if Hamas lays down it's arms it will stop is pure Hasbara BS!

Here you go @Mantanora

personally I don’t think further explanation is even necessary

As I’ve posted many times on these threads
This
Netanyahu presented this map at the UNGA in
September 2023

This map has always been Netanyahus plan.

Well before October 7th.

This isn’t about Hamas, this is about Palestinians on land that the Israeli Government want

Concerns about Israeli plans for Gaza and Palestinian displacement
Twiglets1 · 11/07/2026 18:05

DrPrunesqualer · 11/07/2026 17:52

Here you go @Mantanora

personally I don’t think further explanation is even necessary

As I’ve posted many times on these threads
This
Netanyahu presented this map at the UNGA in
September 2023

This map has always been Netanyahus plan.

Well before October 7th.

This isn’t about Hamas, this is about Palestinians on land that the Israeli Government want

With respect I will wait to see Mantanora's explanation tomorrow for how Hamas surrendering early on in the war wouldn't have saved thousands of lives from being lost and Gaza destroyed.

I'm not denying that the Israel government have used the war as an excuse for a land grab they already wanted. However, I fail to see how Hamas surrendering would have made no difference to the huge number of casualties since 7/10/23.

On the subject of genocide, they said "IF Hamas could have stopped it at any point by surrendering or disarming?". I personally do not believe that would have made any difference".

That's the bit I don't understand and hope they will explain tomorrow or at some point when convenient.

DrPrunesqualer · 11/07/2026 18:39

DrPrunesqualer · 11/07/2026 17:52

Here you go @Mantanora

personally I don’t think further explanation is even necessary

As I’ve posted many times on these threads
This
Netanyahu presented this map at the UNGA in
September 2023

This map has always been Netanyahus plan.

Well before October 7th.

This isn’t about Hamas, this is about Palestinians on land that the Israeli Government want

As a follow on to Netanyahus
September 2023 map
There is the
Greater Israel plan advocated by Netanyahu and his far right followers

‘ Arab, Islamic countries condemn Netanyahu’s ‘Greater Israel’ remark
A statement issued by the countries says the Israeli prime minister’s comments constitutes a direct threat to Arab national security and peace.

The "Greater Israel" concept is understood to refer to an expansionist vision that lays claim to the occupied West Bank, Gaza, parts of Lebanon, Syria, Egypt and Jordan. [File: Abir Sultan/Pool/Reuters]
Published On 16 Aug 202516 Aug 2025

A coalition of Arab and Muslim nations has condemned “in the strongest terms” statements made by Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu regarding his vision for a “Greater Israel”.

When interviewer Sharon Gal with the Israeli i24NEWS channel asked Netanyahu if he subscribed to a “vision” for a “Greater Israel”, Netanyahu said “absolutely”.

Asked during the interview aired on Tuesday if he felt connected to the “Greater Israel” vision, Netanyahu said: “Very much.”

list of 3 items
list 1 of 3Israel turns swaths of Gaza into ‘lifeless wastelands’ as attacks intensify

The “Greater Israel” concept supported by ultranationalist Israelis is understood to refer to an expansionist vision that lays claim to the occupied West Bank, Gaza, parts of Lebanon, Syria, Egypt and Jordan.

“These statements represent a grave disregard for, and a blatant and dangerous violation of, the rules of international law and the foundations of stable international relations,” said a joint statement by a coalition of 31 Arab and Islamic countries and the Arab League.
“They also constitute a direct threat to Arab national security, to the sovereignty of states, and to regional and international peace and security,” the statement released on Friday said.
The signatories of the statement included the secretaries-general of the League of Arab States, the Organisation of Islamic Cooperation and the

The Arab and Islamic nations also condemned Israeli Finance Minister Bezalel Smotrich’s announcement on Thursday to push ahead with settlement expansion in the occupied West Bank.

The statement said the move is “a blatant violation of international law and a flagrant assault on the inalienable right of the Palestinian people to realise their independent, sovereign state on the lines of June 4, 1967, with Occupied Jerusalem as its capital”.

The statement added that Israel has no sovereignty over occupied Palestinian territory.

Smotrich said he would approve thousands of housing units in a long-delayed illegal settlement project in the West Bank, saying the move “buries the idea of a Palestinian state”.

Last September, the United Nations General Assembly (UNGA) overwhelmingly adopted a resolutioncalling on Israel to end its illegal occupation of the Palestinian territories within 12 months.
The resolution backed an advisory opinion by the International Court of Justice (ICJ) – the UN’s top court – which found that Israel’s presence in the Palestinian territories is unlawful and must end. In January 2024, the ICJ said Israel was “plausibly committing genocide”. The top UN court has yet to announce its verdict in the case brought by South Africa.

Smotrich announces Israeli plan to split occupied West Bank in half

Last week, Israel’s Security Cabinet approved Netanyahu’s plan to fully occupy Gaza City, and in Tuesday’s interview, Netanyahu also revived calls to “allow” Palestinians to leave Gaza, telling i24NEWS: “We are not pushing them out, but we are allowing them to leave.”

Campaigners said Netanyahu’s use of the word “leave” was a euphemism for the ethnic cleansing of Gaza – home to 2.1 million people, most of whom are refugees and their descendants from the 1948 Nakba when more than 700,000 Palestinians were forced to flee from what became the state of Israel.
Past calls to resettle people from Gaza outside the war-battered territory, including from United States President Donald Trump, have sparked fears of forced displacement among Palestinians and condemnation from the international community.’

Mantanora · 12/07/2026 11:20

Twiglets1 · 11/07/2026 18:05

With respect I will wait to see Mantanora's explanation tomorrow for how Hamas surrendering early on in the war wouldn't have saved thousands of lives from being lost and Gaza destroyed.

I'm not denying that the Israel government have used the war as an excuse for a land grab they already wanted. However, I fail to see how Hamas surrendering would have made no difference to the huge number of casualties since 7/10/23.

On the subject of genocide, they said "IF Hamas could have stopped it at any point by surrendering or disarming?". I personally do not believe that would have made any difference".

That's the bit I don't understand and hope they will explain tomorrow or at some point when convenient.

"how Hamas surrendering early on in the war wouldn't have saved thousands of lives from being lost and Gaza destroyed.". You are asking two very different questions here. Saving thousands of lives and Gaza being destroyed are two very different things. My argument is that Hamas laying down its arms and surrendering would not stop Israel from ethnically cleansing Gaza. DrPrunesqualer has highlighted Israel's intentions very clearly. If you're asking whether less Gazans would have been killed, no one knows. If you're asking about Gaza being destroyed, I would say no. Why did Israel flatten Al-Israa University in a controlled explosion when they had already occupied it for over 2 months.

Twiglets1 · 12/07/2026 11:48

Mantanora · 12/07/2026 11:20

"how Hamas surrendering early on in the war wouldn't have saved thousands of lives from being lost and Gaza destroyed.". You are asking two very different questions here. Saving thousands of lives and Gaza being destroyed are two very different things. My argument is that Hamas laying down its arms and surrendering would not stop Israel from ethnically cleansing Gaza. DrPrunesqualer has highlighted Israel's intentions very clearly. If you're asking whether less Gazans would have been killed, no one knows. If you're asking about Gaza being destroyed, I would say no. Why did Israel flatten Al-Israa University in a controlled explosion when they had already occupied it for over 2 months.

We were talking about alleged genocide when you said "IF Hamas could have stopped it at any point by surrendering or disarming?". I personally do not believe that would have made any difference".

@dairydebris asked the question how can it be a genocide if Hamas could have stopped it at any point by surrendering or disarming? Can you think of any similar genocide that was in the power of the victim nation's leadership to end?

Your reply to her post about how can it be genocide was There's the issue. "IF Hamas could have stopped it at any point by surrendering or disarming?". I personally do not believe that would have made any difference.

That is what confused me. How can it be that Hamas surrendering or disarming at any point - even soon after 7/10/23 say, wouldn't have made any difference to the war/genocide? There was no genocide going on before the Hamas attack so had there been an immediate surrender, I don't see that the IDF would have had any reason to keep fighting in Gaza after the surrender and disarming.

Twiglets1 · 12/07/2026 11:55

No one has attempted to answer the question by the way of how can it be a genocide if Hamas could have stopped it at any point by surrendering or disarming? Can you think of any similar genocide that was in the power of the victim nation's leadership to end?

DrPrunesqualer · 12/07/2026 12:03

This Twiglets is why I posted the long held intentions of the Israeli Government

If you hold that ideal you don’t stop at the first post
Hence the invasion of Lebanon etc
Hence the sale of Palestinian land
Hence the bulldozer of stolen land
Hence ignoring the Gaza ceasefire
Hence their actions in the West Bank and Jerusalem
etc
etc
etc

Clearly!!! There isn’t an intention to stop until the goals are met

We cannot make guesses at what might have been because we do not know…

A guess is Nothing more than that but we can, however, look at what are the actual intentions of Netanyahu and his far right Government and of those it is abundantly clear.

Twiglets1 · 12/07/2026 12:07

I'm talking about genocide not ethnic cleansing.

Perhaps someone other than @DrPrunesqualer because they don't answer the question asked, can attempt to answer how can it be a genocide if Hamas could have stopped it at any point by surrendering or disarming? Can you think of any similar genocide that was in the power of the victim nation's leadership to end?

Mantanora · 12/07/2026 12:29

Twiglets1 · 12/07/2026 11:55

No one has attempted to answer the question by the way of how can it be a genocide if Hamas could have stopped it at any point by surrendering or disarming? Can you think of any similar genocide that was in the power of the victim nation's leadership to end?

This is getting a bit ambiguous now. Let's look at it from a legal point of view then concerning genocide. Legally, the onus of avoiding genocide lies strictly with the party capable of committing it. A population's survival should not be treated as a bargaining chip contingent on military surrender. Israel has an absolute duty under international law to ensure its actions do not result in genocide. It doesn't matter whether Hamas surrenders. Israel cannot say it is not a genocide simply because Hamas refused to surrender. There is a distinction between enemy combatants and the civil population.

dairydebris · 12/07/2026 13:29

Mantanora · 12/07/2026 12:29

This is getting a bit ambiguous now. Let's look at it from a legal point of view then concerning genocide. Legally, the onus of avoiding genocide lies strictly with the party capable of committing it. A population's survival should not be treated as a bargaining chip contingent on military surrender. Israel has an absolute duty under international law to ensure its actions do not result in genocide. It doesn't matter whether Hamas surrenders. Israel cannot say it is not a genocide simply because Hamas refused to surrender. There is a distinction between enemy combatants and the civil population.

But the problem of answering the case of genocide is that Israel will say it took steps to prevent killing civilians- which it did- this is a fact. You can then argue that not enough steps were taken and those steps were not rigorously applied in each and every situation- none the less some steps were taken. Some aid was let in. You could again argue- correctly imo not enough- aid was allowed in. Israel will also argue that from the very start the war aims were to get hostages back and the surrender and disarming of Hamas. Hamas refused this. So the war aims have always been coherent. Hamas never tried to stop the slaughter in this way.
In a court of law you can't make an attack based off what you feel sure would have happened if x, y, z. You can only say- this is what actually happened, and then further for a finding of genocide you have to prove intent by Israel specifically for genocide.
I think all the evidence taken together, not just part statements and individual comments- the whole body of evidence shows an awful war, with scant regard for civilian life and huge levels of destruction, but Israel has done enough to be able to say the intent was never to kill a group of Gazan civilians, the intent was to kill Hamas and we prioritized killing Hamas over saving civilian life. Brutal war, enough there to hate Israel without even requiring the genocide label.

DrPrunesqualer · 12/07/2026 13:36

Twiglets1 · 12/07/2026 12:07

I'm talking about genocide not ethnic cleansing.

Perhaps someone other than @DrPrunesqualer because they don't answer the question asked, can attempt to answer how can it be a genocide if Hamas could have stopped it at any point by surrendering or disarming? Can you think of any similar genocide that was in the power of the victim nation's leadership to end?

Ive answered the question Twiglets
With facts showing the Israeli intentions
Whenever I’ve posted those in the past they have been ignored consistently !
because
pro Israelis for some reason don’t like these facts
Netanyahu and his far right Government aren’t scared of admitting their intentions again and again
They haven’t changed

I will respond if I want to

Of note
This was the original question

‘You mentioned 2 people I've never heard of so please explain it to me how, if Hamas has surrendered and put down their arms in the first few weeks, you still think we would have seen as many deaths and as much devastation to Gaza.
I honestly don't understand the position that it would have made no difference if Hamas had surrendered after 7/10/23. So many people would still be alive!’

Mantanora · 12/07/2026 14:17

dairydebris · 12/07/2026 13:29

But the problem of answering the case of genocide is that Israel will say it took steps to prevent killing civilians- which it did- this is a fact. You can then argue that not enough steps were taken and those steps were not rigorously applied in each and every situation- none the less some steps were taken. Some aid was let in. You could again argue- correctly imo not enough- aid was allowed in. Israel will also argue that from the very start the war aims were to get hostages back and the surrender and disarming of Hamas. Hamas refused this. So the war aims have always been coherent. Hamas never tried to stop the slaughter in this way.
In a court of law you can't make an attack based off what you feel sure would have happened if x, y, z. You can only say- this is what actually happened, and then further for a finding of genocide you have to prove intent by Israel specifically for genocide.
I think all the evidence taken together, not just part statements and individual comments- the whole body of evidence shows an awful war, with scant regard for civilian life and huge levels of destruction, but Israel has done enough to be able to say the intent was never to kill a group of Gazan civilians, the intent was to kill Hamas and we prioritized killing Hamas over saving civilian life. Brutal war, enough there to hate Israel without even requiring the genocide label.

I was simply answering the question about how it can be called a genocide when Hamas could have stopped it by surrendering. As to the specifics of whether Israel has and is committing genocide is a matter of opinion at the moment. Israel claims it doesn't deliberately target children but many international doctors like Nick Maynard claim they do. Now obviously Israel has a motivation to lie but I don't know whether Nick Maynard does as well. I have no idea so I cannot know who is lying.

The convention is quite specific on certain points though. From Article 2 - (c) Deliberately inflicting on the group conditions of life calculated to bring about its physical destruction in whole or in part. Chicken pox is already spreading through the Gazan community as a result of the conditions. Additionally, what is considered a common childhood disease in the developed countries, it can be lethal in the inflicted environment where immune systems are compromised due to malnutrition and lack of basic medicines. We could go round and round in circles on this but in my opinion it is a genocide. An attempt to make life so untenable for the Gazans that they will be forced to leave or die. Now if they leave, that is forced displacement or ethnic cleansing which in itself is not genocide but is a crime against humanity. If they refuse to leave and die as a result, that is genocide. What is interesting is that no country has ever been found guilty of actually committing genocide. They have been found guilty of failing to prevent genocide.

The point is though, whether Israel is guilty of genocide is a matter of opinion at the moment. As I said, in my opinion, I think they have and I base this on what I have seen and read as well as the opinions of people far more qualified than me such Omer Bartov, an Israeli professor who has studied the holocaust and genocide for his entire academic career. He specifically said, "I'm a Genocide Scholar. I Know It When I See It". There are many many others who have the same opinion.

DrPrunesqualer · 12/07/2026 14:23

Moving on to the other issue of whether Israel has / are committing a genocide
My previous posts of Israel’s goals are also relevant in this regard

We cannot know whether Israel has met the guidelines yet. We awate the ruling on that

What we do have is statements and reports by scholars and those on the ground

This by the bbc in 2025

Israel committing genocide in Gaza, world's leading experts say
IMAGE SOURCE, REUTERS

The genocide scholars cited, among other elements, Israel's attacks on Gaza's healthcare, aid, and educational sectors
ByEmir Nader
BBC News, Reporting fromJerusalem
Published
1 September 2025
The world's leading association of genocide scholars has declared that Israel is committing genocide in Gaza.

A resolution passed by the International Association of Genocide Scholars (IAGS) states that Israel's conduct meets the legal definition as laid out in the UN convention on genocide.

Across a three-page resolution, the IAGS presents a litany of actions undertaken by Israel throughout the 22-month-long war that it recognises as constituting genocide, war crimes and crimes against humanity.

The IAGS is the world's largest professional association of genocide scholars and includes a number of Holocaust experts. Out of its 500 members, 28% took part in the vote and 86% of those who voted supported the resolution.

In a summary of Israeli policies and actions, the declaration notes the widespread attacks on both the personnel and facilities needed for survival, including in the healthcare, aid, and educational sectors.

Among many other elements, it notes the 50,000 children killed or injured by Israel, as highlighted by UN aid organisation Unicef, which impacts the ability of Palestinians in Gaza to survive as a group and regenerate.

The resolution also highlights the support among Israeli leaders for the forced expulsion of all Palestinians from Gaza, alongside Israel's near-total demolition of housing in the territory.

The IAGS notes the statements by Israeli leaders dehumanising Palestinians in Gaza, characterising them all as the enemy, alongside promises to "flatten Gaza" and turn it into "hell".

The Israeli Foreign Ministry said the report was based on "Hamas lies" and poor research, calling it an "embarrassment to the legal profession". A spokesperson added that it was Israel itself which is the victim of genocide.
Israel has regularly denied that its actions in Gaza amount to genocide and says they are justified as a means of self-defence.
The IAGS scholars state that while the 7 October 2023 Hamas attack - in which about 1,200 people were killed and 251 others taken hostage - was itself a crime, Israel's response has not only been directed against Hamas but has targeted Gaza's entire population.

The 1948 UN Genocide Convention, which was adopted following the mass murder of Jews by Nazi Germany, defines genocide as crimes committed "with intent to destroy, in whole or in part, a national, ethnical, racial or religious group".
A number of leading rights organisations, including two Israeli organisations, have also declared they believe Israel is committing genocide.

The UN and a number of Western nations have said that they will only consider a ruling by a court that genocide is taking place as authoritative.

The UN's top court, the International Court of Justice, is currently considering a case brought by South Africa in 2023 that argues that Israel is committing genocide. The ICJ has not yet made a determination on the subject and has granted Israel an extension until January 2026 to present its defence.
Israel has accused the case of having antisemitic motivations, calling it a "blood libel", in reference to historic allegations that Jewish communities ritually murder Christian children.
The IAGS say their resolution has no bearing on any case put forward to an international court.
On Monday, the Hamas-run Ministry of Health said that 63,557 people had been killed and 160,660 injured during the war so far. The ministry's numbers are widely considered reliable yet they do not distinguish between civilians and fighters.
In August, the UN-backed food monitor, the IPC, confirmed that famine was taking place in parts of Gaza. Israel is accused of causing the famine through ongoing restrictions on food and medical aid entering Gaza.
Israel controls all border crossings into the Gaza Strip, and as the occupying power bears responsibility for protecting civilian life under international law, which includes the prevention of starvation.’

This from Amnesty International
28th July 2025

Israel/OPT:

Israeli organisations conclude Israel committing genocide against Palestinians in Gaza in another milestone for accountability efforts
Following the landmark publication of two reports by leading Israeli human rights organisations B’Tselem and Physicians for Human Rights Israel, which concluded that Israel is committing genocide against Palestinians in the occupied Gaza Strip,

Amnesty International’s Secretary General, Agnès Callamard, said:

“With the publication of these two reports, B’Tselem and Physicians for Human Rights Israel become the first two Israeli organisations to state it loud and clear, based on meticulous documentation and research:
Israel is committing genocide against Palestinians in Gaza.

This is another milestone in the human rights community’s efforts to hold Israeli authorities accountable for their crimes against Palestinians.

“Amid ongoing efforts by the Israeli government to crack down on the work of Palestinian and Israeli human rights organisations , such publications demanded courage and unyielding commitment to justice and accountability. Their findings must be heeded by the international community and translated into action to stop Israel’s genocide against Palestinians in Gaza, end its unlawful occupation of Palestinian Territory, and dismantle its system of apartheid against all Palestinians whose rights Israel controls.”

“B’Tselem’s report builds on a large body of work undertaken for decades to document Israel’s crimes under international law and demonstrate the cloak of impunity that has sheltered Israeli authorities from accountability. The report’s findings on the occupied West Bank, including Israel’s campaign of forcible transfer, are particularly damning and illustrate the importance of twinning the call to stop Israel’s genocide with clear demands to end its unlawful occupation of Palestinian Territory and dismantle its system of apartheid.”

“Physicians for Human Rights Israel’s report comprehensively documents Israel’s deliberate and systematic destruction of the healthcare system in Gaza. Taking the violations against the healthcare system and healthcare workers in their totality, its harrowing examination clearly lays out how the damage and destruction of the healthcare system in Gaza is not merely a byproduct of war, but rather part of a deliberate and calculated policy to destroy Palestinian lives in Gaza in what amounts to genocide.”

“The publication of these reports coincides with the start of the UN conference on Palestine in New York.
Their unequivocal findings add to the inescapable call for participating states to recognize Israel’s action against Palestinians in Gaza for what it is: genocide. States know their obligations; there is no more time for performative debates, they must take urgent and effective measures to end Israel’s impunity for its human rights violations against Palestinians and stop its genocide, apartheid and unlawful occupation.
Palestinians have already suffered irreversible harm; the horrors inflicted will require generations to recover from. States must not miss yet another opportunity to change course, restore some faith in international law and enable Palestinians to begin their recovery process.”

Background

The report published by B’Tselem today, titled Our Genocide, examines Israel’s actions in Gaza since 7 October, together with statements made by Israeli officials and commanders, and the broader context of Israel’s system of apartheid, decades of dehumanization of Palestinians and a pervasive culture of impunity. In addition to focusing on killings, causing bodily and mental harm, and patterns of inflicting conditions of life calculated to bring about the destruction of the group in Gaza, B’Tselem’s report analyzes escalating patterns of destruction and annihilation in the occupied West Bank, including forcible transfer, raising the alarm that Israel is “replicating in the West Bank – albeit on a smaller scale – some of the patterns it is implementing in Gaza.”

The medical-legal analysis published by Physicians for Human Rights Israel documents Israel’s deliberate destruction of the healthcare system in the Gaza Strip and other systems critical for the survival of the Palestinian civilian population. Building on visual evidence and the testimonies of healthcare workers and other Palestinian victims, as well as the organization’s own legal work challenging Israel’s blockade, the report documents direct and indiscriminate attacks on healthcare facilities in Gaza, blocking of medical aid, arbitrary and sweeping restrictions on medical evacuations of critically sick and wounded Palestinians outside the Gaza strip, and the detention, torture and killings of healthcare workers.

Another from the UN commission of Human Rights

Israel has committed genocide in the Gaza Strip, UN Commission finds
16 September 2025

Israel continues to commit genocide and other atrocity crimes by deliberately targeting Palestinian children

GENEVA – Israel has committed genocide against Palestinians in the Gaza Strip, the UN Independent International Commission of Inquiry on the Occupied Palestinian Territory, including East Jerusalem, and Israel said in a new report today.

The Commission urges Israel and all States to fulfil their legal obligations under international law to end the genocide and punish those responsible for it.

The Commission has been investigating the events on and since 7 October 2023 for the last two years, and concluded that

Israeli authorities and Israeli security forces committed four of the five genocidal acts defined by the 1948 Convention on the Prevention and Punishment of the Crime of Genocide, namely killing, causing serious bodily or mental harm, deliberately inflicting conditions of life calculated to bring about the destruction of the Palestinians in whole or in part, and imposing measures intended to prevent births.

Explicit statements by Israeli civilian and military authorities and the pattern of conduct of the Israeli security forces indicate that the genocidal acts were committed with intent to destroy, in whole or in part, Palestinians in the Gaza Strip as a group.

“The Commission finds that Israel is responsible for the commission of genocide in Gaza,” said Navi Pillay, Chair of the Commission. “It is clear that there is an intent to destroy the Palestinians in Gaza through acts that meet the criteria set forth in the Genocide Convention.”

“The responsibility for these atrocity crimes lies with Israeli authorities at the highest echelons who have orchestrated a genocidal campaign for almost two years now with the specific intent to destroy the Palestinian group in Gaza,” Pillay said.

“The Commission also finds that Israel has failed to prevent and punish the commission of genocide, through failure to investigate genocidal acts and to prosecute alleged perpetrators.”

The report is based on all the Commission’s prior investigations, as well as factual and legal findings in relation to attacks in Gaza carried out by Israeli forces, and the conduct and statements of Israeli authorities from 7 October 2023 until 31 July 2025.

The Commission’s findings are based on a comprehensive examination of the underlying acts of genocide (actus reus) and genocidal intent (dolus specialis).

In establishing the genocidal acts, the Commission examined the Israeli military operations in Gaza, including killing and seriously harming unprecedented numbers of Palestinians;
imposing a total siege,
including blocking humanitarian aid leading to starvation;
systematically destroying the healthcare and education systems in Gaza;
committing systematic acts of sexual and gender based violence; directly targeting children;
carrying out systematic and widespread attacks on religious and cultural sites;
and disregarding the orders of the International Court of Justice.

In establishing genocidal intent, the Commission applied the “only reasonable inference” standard set forth by the International Court of Justice in the case of Bosnia v. Serbia.

The Commission analysed statements made by Israeli authorities and concluded that those statements are direct evidence of genocidal intent.

The Commission also analysed the pattern of conduct of Israeli authorities and the Israeli security forces in Gaza,
including imposing starvation and inhumane conditions of life for Palestinians in Gaza, and found that genocidal intent was the only reasonable inference that could be concluded from the nature of their operations.

“Israel has flagrantly disregarded the orders for provisional measures from the International Court of Justice and warnings from Member States, UN offices, human rights organisations and civil society groups, and continued the strategy of destruction of the Palestinians in Gaza,” said Pillay.

“The Commission finds that the Israeli authorities had no intention to change their course of actions. On the contrary, Israeli authorities have persisted and continued with their genocidal campaign in Gaza for almost two years now.
Israel must immediately end the genocide in Gaza and comply fully with the orders for provisional measures of the International Court of Justice,” she added.

The acts of Israeli political and military leaders are attributable to the State of Israel.

The Commission therefore concluded that the State of Israel bears responsibility for the failure to prevent genocide, the commission of genocide and the failure to punish the perpetrators of genocide against the Palestinians in the Gaza Strip.

The Commission also concluded that Israeli President Isaac Herzog, Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu and then Defence Minister Yoav Gallant, have incited the commission of genocide and that Israeli authorities have failed to take action against them to punish this incitement. The Commission has not fully assessed statements by other Israeli political and military leaders and considers that they too should be assessed to determine whether they constitute incitement to commit genocide.

The Commission urges the Government of Israel to comply immediately with its international legal obligations, including to end the genocide in the Gaza Strip and fully implement the provisional measures orders of the International Court of Justice.
Israel must end its policy of starvation, lift the siege and facilitate and ensure the unimpeded access of humanitarian aid at scale and unhindered access of all United Nations staff, including UNRWA and OHCHR international staff, and all recognized international humanitarian agencies delivering and coordinating aid. The Commission calls on Israel to immediately end the activities of the Gaza Humanitarian Foundation.
The Commission recommended that Member States cease the transfer of arms and other equipment’

Mantanora · 12/07/2026 14:27

@dairydebris , "the intent was to kill Hamas and we prioritized killing Hamas over saving civilian life."
I think that statement alone would be enough to be guilty of the charge of failing to prevent genocide.

dairydebris · 12/07/2026 15:28

Mantanora · 12/07/2026 14:27

@dairydebris , "the intent was to kill Hamas and we prioritized killing Hamas over saving civilian life."
I think that statement alone would be enough to be guilty of the charge of failing to prevent genocide.

I don't think so, because failing to prevent loss of civilian life is not the same as specifically targeting civilians with the intent to destroy the group in whole or in part.

Individual war crimes will have taken place I'm 100% sure and that's bad enough.

By that measure every single war with significant civilian death would be a genocide or a failure to prevent genocide.

Twiglets1 · 12/07/2026 15:33

Mantanora · 12/07/2026 14:27

@dairydebris , "the intent was to kill Hamas and we prioritized killing Hamas over saving civilian life."
I think that statement alone would be enough to be guilty of the charge of failing to prevent genocide.

If it was that simple, it wouldn't be taking the International court studying this very topic years and years to determine their ruling on whether it is a genocide or not.

All that sentence shows (in my view) is that, as in any war, the main goal was to destroy enemy fighters before they could kill your fighters.

Saving civilian life is not the main priority in any war - if it was there would be no physical wars, ever! It should be a priority but no one but Israel would be expected to make saving civilian life of the other side the main priority in a war they didn't even start. Even though Hamas made zero attempt to protect civilian lives - even of Palestinians let alone Israelis!

Twiglets1 · 12/07/2026 15:35

dairydebris · 12/07/2026 15:28

I don't think so, because failing to prevent loss of civilian life is not the same as specifically targeting civilians with the intent to destroy the group in whole or in part.

Individual war crimes will have taken place I'm 100% sure and that's bad enough.

By that measure every single war with significant civilian death would be a genocide or a failure to prevent genocide.

Note how the goalposts have been moved from "committing genocide" to "a failure to prevent genocide".

OpenScroller · 12/07/2026 15:41

Weren't there over 4 million deaths from the Coalition Forces War on Terror post 9/11, in response to a terrorist attack smaller than Oct 7th in per capita terms.

I don't think that was ever called a genocide.

The terrorists in Gaza are concentrated in one place rather than over several countries.

TBH pro-Palestinians have been screaming 'genocide' since long before Oct 7th, and the massive increase in volume since then is to drown out the real genocide which happened in Israel on Oct 7th and is totally ignored.