Is the penny finally starting to drop about anti semitism and hate marches?

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https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2026/may/04/starmer-c al l-society-response-rising-antisemitism

I think we are now seeing the cumulative impact of the anti senitism that has built up over the last 3 years where there has been a permissive environment with politicians hesitant to intervene in events in the streets that have incubated anti Jew sentiment.

All political parties apart from the hate apologist Greens are now waking up to the fact we need better policing and perhaps legislation. I for one will acting a vote for a party that recognises hate marches for what they are and also willing to tackle the vile posts appearing on social media (and Labour have reacted too late too little). Enough is enough for a Jewish community that lives in perpetual fear.

People can dislike what she said.

The difficulty is whether we should continue to defend free speech when it starts to make people feel uncomfortable.

Should there be limits to free speech as long as it doesn’t cross into what is deemed illegal?

I believe there are people in the west who do see these terrorists as heroes.

This.

FFS no one is saying it's never happened before.

Expressing support for a proscribed terrorist organisation is illegal.

The only thing Hamas deserve is unequivocal condemnation so it’s baffling as to why anyone would be suggesting otherwise.

Do you think the perpetrators of the 7th October will eventually be seen as heroes by the West or do you think this is a case of the end not ever justifying the means?

Perhaps that is an essay for the Oxford student to consider after watching the footage Hamas live-streamed on the day.

I wonder how history now sees Nat Turner. Although not on the same scale, his attacks on anyone who was white, men, women and children, was arguably as brutal.

The October 7th victims were not enslaving Hamas.

Agree but to add

Nor were the October 7th attackers
everyone in Gaza
they weren’t the children and women of Gaza and the Westbank
or International journalists
or the staff of Medicine sans frontieres
etc
etc

They are all innocents. Including the victims of October 7th.

The October 7th attackers are innocents?

read my post again

Your post says the 7 October attackers are innocents. A Fraudien slip I assumed.

My post says

‘nor were the October 7th attackers everyone in Gaza’

which means everyone in Gaza was not an October 7th attacker

not a Freudian slip , my words are very clear to me although it seems have been misunderstood
I don’t know how

Well there's a line break between attackers and everyone so I don't see how anyone was supposed to figure that out.

Because it looks like you made a list of people and said they were all innocents and included the October 7 attackers in that list.
Glad to hear just a normal formatting error.

Glad you appreciate the post was in good faith

it wasn't a formatting error though

Ok keeper
I don’t get the confusion

I was writing a list so after the word attackers theres a new line for each category in the list

Titling a list as just
‘nor were the October 7th’
doesn't make any sense

Titling a list as
‘ nor were the October 7th attackers ‘
then listing all those not involved in the attacks
makes sense

Next time if I remember I’ll number each item in a list if that helps

The police can arrest her is she has shown support for Hamas. I am not sure she has done that directly but that will be upto police and CPS to consider if a complaint is made.

No, I don’t condone what Hamas has done - but again- I don’t see that she has either if you take all her comments as a whole.

See my post yesterday at 23.40.

https://www.heraldseries.co.uk/news/26174623.oxford-union-president-survives-no-confidence-vote/?ref=rss

Oxford Union President Arwa Elrayess has survived a vote of no-confidence after the motion failed to secure enough signatures.

Her speech is great. The video was posted in March 2025.

If you were writing a list then the attackers were the first on that list. Maybe some punctuation would be helpful.

Given the awful meme circulating among members about her, I'm not surprised.

The motion against president Arwa Elrayess required 150 valid signatures.

The motion, filed on Thursday, June 4, received 10 physical signatures and 106 digital signatures.

They voted to keep.this person.

This person:

"The Oxford Union president previously came under fire over leaked messages describing Hamas as 'heroes'."

"She made the remarks in a private WhatsApp group of around 100 students who were about to take up places at Oxford University to study Politics, Philosophy and Economics (PPE)."

"Miss Elrayess defended her statements, saying they were made in an informal discussion and had been taken out of context."

So basically she says they were taken out of context and so stays.

Not seen the mene

Pleased she has survived this vote of no- confidence.

It wouldn’t bode well for freedom of speech if a debating chamber could not handle difficult ideas. I would imagine a smear campaign against her would also be counterproductive.

I was thinking of how Trump has stamped down on speech critical of Israel, withholding funding and even weaponising immigration processes for students. Smacked of being authoritarian. What kind of country would we rather live in?

I hope UK universities continue to allow students the space to talk through differences in opinions, even when difficult and uncomfortable.

I expect he is still a polarising figure. Some probably think he is a hero and others probably think that there is no excuse for the violence that he used in his rebellion.
I also suspect that the great majority of people would now condemn the white people who inslaved, abused and even murdered their black slaves and the way in which black people were treated as non people.
So let's see how the genocidal actions of Israel, the violence and occupation of Palestine, the stealing of land and livelihoods, the aggression towards so many of their neighbours is judged in coming decades/centuries.

Not to mention what appears to be the new land grab in Lebanon.