Is the penny finally starting to drop about anti semitism and hate marches?

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https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2026/may/04/starmer-c al l-society-response-rising-antisemitism

I think we are now seeing the cumulative impact of the anti senitism that has built up over the last 3 years where there has been a permissive environment with politicians hesitant to intervene in events in the streets that have incubated anti Jew sentiment.

All political parties apart from the hate apologist Greens are now waking up to the fact we need better policing and perhaps legislation. I for one will acting a vote for a party that recognises hate marches for what they are and also willing to tackle the vile posts appearing on social media (and Labour have reacted too late too little). Enough is enough for a Jewish community that lives in perpetual fear.

I really think it’s going to take leadership from government, religious leaders, other leaders in civil society to tackle racism. It’s going to require understanding of greivances of all sides for us to make a start on this.

In some ways - Starmer has left this too late given truly awful rise in antisemitism. I have not heard him speak of building bridges and lack of cohesion in this country. It feels like Reform are shaping policy towards how we view all minorities.

The government are becoming clearer what language is not acceptable.

In a recent interview with the Jewish Chronicle Keir Starmer confirmed that he views the words “From the river to the sea, let Palestine be free” to be antisemitic.

Of course you have not ever said that.

Outlawing speech would have to be made
by the police
the crown prosecution service
passing new legislation in Parliament

its not up to Starmer

Well the British Prime Minister is pretty influential. It won't necessarily be Starmer for too much longer, but it would be a brave replacement who would want to be labelled as less concerned about antisemitism than him.

Sir Keir Starmer has told the JC he believes that the chant “from the river to the sea, Palestine will be free” is antisemitic.

The prime minister made the comment during a visit to Community Security Trust in North London on Thursday morning where he, alongside and Home Secretary Shabana Mahmood visited, announced an additional £10 million in funding to protect the Jewish community.

The money will be dedicated to paying for more security staff and equipment around Jewish sites, such as CCTV, alarms and floodlights.

Speaking to the JC after the event, Starmer was asked whether he believed that the chant “from the river to the sea, Palestine will be free” was antisemitic, and he responded “yes”.

Challenged that his answer appeared to put him at odds with the Mayor of London Sir Sadiq Khan, who stated the opposite earlier this month, Starmer responded: “I take a strong view on this, and we've dealt with cases in my own party where people have used that expression and we've taken action against them.”

He added: “I'm not just saying it to you here today. That is the history, that is the record that I have as leader of my party.”

www.thejc.com/news/politics/starmer-sadiq-khan-is-wrong-from-the-river-to-the-sea-is-an-antisemitic-chant-izo75ztl

It would still need to be made official as my pp
Whoever the PM is is irrelevant
They can’t dictate

Obviously it would need to be made official.

But things being made official start with the government recognising there is a problem that needs addressing.

Agree
It will be a tricky one though
With different religions having different interpretations

How come they managed to ban 'globalise the intifada' without all this fannying around?

No one on the CITME board said that everyone on the march is there for antisemitism.

No wonder you find it exhausting if that's what your hearing but it's not what has been said.

They'll be proscribing the IRGC soon too and that will upset some people too but leaders have to lead in the interests of the country.

Thank you, it is creepy and I don’t think it’s ever a good idea to click on any link if there’s pressure to do so.

Gosh yes, you might hear something you would prefer to ignore.

Relentless!

I really don’t know how people can talk about trying breaking echo chambers by pressurising others like this. How to influence people (not!).

Quite. Labelling the Palestine march as a ‘hate march’ or a ‘hate filled’ march is simply not true and results in fuelling yet more hate and division. I am interested in how those in charge deal with the scourge of anti semitism/ racism and I don’t believe that they’ve got it right by doing this. It’s a huge job - inter faith work is the only way forward.

Not sure where some of us got the impression that people felt the marches were down to hate and antisemitism. This is just one example.

Here’s another example:

As I said, it's not antisemitic to sympathise with Palestinian people or criticise the Israel government.
As ** suggests however, it could be antisemitic to only care about the conflict in Gaza & no other conflicts and it could be antisemitic to attend or support marches every weekend that involve displays of antisemitism.

I did not say that everyone on a march is there for antisemitism, literally no one has said that despite previous allegations that they did.

Only that it could be antisemitic to attend or support marches every weekend that involve displays of antisemitism.

Of course it could be unless you are denying that anyone on these marches is antisemitic - bit hard when some have been arrested there for hate crimes.

Interestingly, on my Tommy Robinson cross thread someone has just posted about how everyone on the thread thinks that everyone who picks up a cross is racist and hates immigrants.

No one on that thread has said that either.

People exaggerate what is said and then believe their own bullshit.

Insinuation can be an insidious form of exaggeration @Twiglets There are many things that ‘could’ be true and if you choose to make that suggestion on here, it’s sowing a seed. Let’s not pretend otherwise.

The fact that language can be misinterpreted (either purposefully or otherwise dependent on your view) has been the crux of need to ban / limit marches and police language has been a theme through this thread. People are telling you that the impression they have got from the language on this thread is that going on these marches is antisemitic and hateful.

So for some the title of this thread may suggest this and for others it’s bullshit.

Are you now arguing that the perception of things doesn’t matter?

One may only hope that he takes this seriously regardless of who says it. Including the Likud party? One supposes?

If there’s a Likud party in the UK then yes.