Is the penny finally starting to drop about anti semitism and hate marches?

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https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2026/may/04/starmer-c al l-society-response-rising-antisemitism

I think we are now seeing the cumulative impact of the anti senitism that has built up over the last 3 years where there has been a permissive environment with politicians hesitant to intervene in events in the streets that have incubated anti Jew sentiment.

All political parties apart from the hate apologist Greens are now waking up to the fact we need better policing and perhaps legislation. I for one will acting a vote for a party that recognises hate marches for what they are and also willing to tackle the vile posts appearing on social media (and Labour have reacted too late too little). Enough is enough for a Jewish community that lives in perpetual fear.

Would you prefer 'occasionally hate containing'?

What do you think about the video from Leeds I posted?

Nope but I can tell by your posts that it will have been selected to curate your projection of ‘hate-filled’ marches.

Have you been on an anti genocide march? The overwhelming undercurrent is a profound sense of sadness,

I don't know about @Ellen2shoes but I would be happy to compromise on "occasionally hate containing" along with "only a few arrests".

Are you refusing to watch it? Why?

It’s beginning to feel as though you are trying to force feed your video, which is not very noble noble.

Leaving thread now, I also lack bandwidth

Refusing to watch it and then leaving the thread is absolutely fascinating behaviour.

And of course..

'genocidal actions of the Israeli government, supported and armed by the UK.'

..is not rhetoric.

😂

Forty-three arrests after enormous £4.5m police operation keeps rival protests apart

In an update on Sunday morning, the Met said: "Twenty of those arrested were affiliated with the Unite the Kingdom protest, while 12 were affiliated with the Nakba protest.

"Eleven were either not affiliated with either group, or it hasn't been possible to confirm their affiliation."

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/ckgpznn202po

The police did an amazing job! Given 10s of thousands were marching - hopefully means police felt cast vast majority enagaged in the march legally.

@Ellen2shoes
Some people using language that others find hateful doesn’t mean that the marches are full of hate.

That people can’t see that people are genuinely concerned about what is happening in the Middle East does not bode well for interfaith attempts to reduce racism.

That someone is refusing to even watch a video where it is clearly spelled out by a protestor in the UK, to a cheering crowd, what 'from the river to the sea' means is a problem.

A previous poster who went to the march and 'didn't hear any antisemitism' admits that she heard 'from the river to the sea' but didn't think it was meant in an antisemitic way.

Refusing to watch a video which would severely challenge this viewpoint is, what, protecting your own worldview? Because if it was watched, the person might have to admit that the people who call the marches 'hate-filled' might have more of a point than previously thought? That it might make marching alongside 'from the river to the sea' a more uncomfortable experience and they don't want to ruin the vibe?

"Some people using hateful language" - presumably the man in the video - are using the exact same language as regularly occurs on these marches.

If decent people can't acknowledge that that's actually a problem and refuse to even take a proper look at it, then perhaps they're not as decent as they think.

Not sure why it really matters to you that one person won’t watch a video. Let it go- it’s creepy.

That some people don’t see it the term as hate speech is not new, and how one person uses the term in a video isn’t going to change that.

The government/ police are going to have to be clearer what language is not acceptable as otherwise it’s going to be open to interpretation.

I would not use it and don’t particularly understand why people continue to do so, but that’s a personal choice until it’s made illegal - if it can be.

Agree

One video
One persons
views
or even a few more

doesn’t challenge anything

That’s The same as assuming all people of one religion or country have the same beliefs

Its a racist view

ps. If you don’t have X ( why would I for example as it’s Musk owned ) you can’t hear anything anyway

Not sure why it really matters to you that one person won’t watch a video. Let it go- it’s creepy.

Oh dear. And please don't presume you can tell me what to do.

An increasing tendency to want to live in echo chambers is not healthy.

Quite right - go ahead and keep pointing out that one person didn’t watch the video. It still seems creepy to try and pressurise someone to watch a video.

If you are going to breakdown walls and stop living in an echo chamber - perhaps acknowledging that some people march for a reason other that antisemitism may be a start. Otherwise - you aren’t going to build any bridges with people.

Maybe if neither pressure anyone to do anything
and
neither chase and remind posters to post, answer or watch or whatever anything

Then no one is pressuring anyone to do anything and it won’t come across as really creepy and a bit bullying

Just a suggestion.
Please do not take this as a ‘you must’ order either
I did say maybe at the beginning

Tieing myself in knots now just to offer a suggestion and not sound bossy 😤

I don't think I've ever said that everyone on the march is there for antisemitism. That would be mad.

I am, and remain happy with what and how I posted. 👍

Ok. Some people on the marches are antisemitic and some are not.

Why do those who are not antisemetic choose to march with racists who are?

And how do we tell the difference?

Maybe you can see this @noblegiraffe but the way some people have responded in this thread seems to simplify the marching down to a form of antisemitism and hate.

I read that the police were thinking of making the organisers responsible for the language used. This seemed like a good idea.

It’s going to be really hard to police. The police stood by in the video posted? I think the problem of language will always remain.

There are always going to be bad apples. Less than 20 people arrested from the tens of thousands in the Nabka march? Should those tens of thousands not have marched because of a small number of people?

We don’t live in an authoritarian country but we can ensure people obey the law.

Agree
but You're in the minority on the CEM threads then

Its exhausting

I saw some arrested because they had fabric / surgical type masks.

Not a hate crime or antisemitism