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Conflict in the Middle East

Is the penny finally starting to drop about anti semitism and hate marches?

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mids2019 · 05/05/2026 06:30

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2026/may/04/starmer-c al l-society-response-rising-antisemitism

I think we are now seeing the cumulative impact of the anti senitism that has built up over the last 3 years where there has been a permissive environment with politicians hesitant to intervene in events in the streets that have incubated anti Jew sentiment.

All political parties apart from the hate apologist Greens are now waking up to the fact we need better policing and perhaps legislation. I for one will acting a vote for a party that recognises hate marches for what they are and also willing to tackle the vile posts appearing on social media (and Labour have reacted too late too little). Enough is enough for a Jewish community that lives in perpetual fear.

‘A test of our values’: Starmer to call for whole-society response to rising antisemitism

PM will say responsibility to stand with Jewish communities lies with ‘every one of us’ at event on Tuesday

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2026/may/04/starmer-call-society-response-rising-antisemitism

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inamarina · 15/05/2026 12:21

HobGobblynne · 15/05/2026 12:08

Neither the title nor the OP actually mentions the UK specifically - it's implied, sure, but not explicit.

And we are on the CITME board, so surely if OP only wanted to focus on the UK, this isn't the right place to post.

This is the op:

I think we are now seeing the cumulative impact of the anti senitism that has built up over the last 3 years where there has been a permissive environment with politicians hesitant to intervene in events in the streets that have incubated anti Jew sentiment.
All political parties apart from the hate apologist Greens are now waking up to the fact we need better policing and perhaps legislation. I for one will acting a vote for a party that recognises hate marches for what they are and also willing to tackle the vile posts appearing on social media (and Labour have reacted too late too little). Enough is enough for a Jewish community that lives in perpetual fear.

Given that they’re referring to political parties in the UK I think it’s pretty clear which country they’re talking about.

Stirabout · 15/05/2026 12:22

Twiglets1 · 15/05/2026 12:03

Because this thread is about the UK and originated from an article in the Guardian that OP linked to.

Twigs.
its disingenuous to suggest this line of discussion is a derail given we’ve both been around a long time on the CEM threads and even current ones go off on a tangent.

Lets not shut down relevant discussion

Twiglets1 · 15/05/2026 12:23

JadeHare · 15/05/2026 12:21

And I am not sure that Flag Day is antisemitic. Quite the opposite.

But this thread is about antisemitism - it's even in the title. So that could possibly be another reason we have not been discussing Flag Day.

inamarina · 15/05/2026 12:24

JadeHare · 15/05/2026 12:20

Not confused at all Twiglets1. As I said, people in glass houses. Looks like Israel needs to sort out their own house first.

Why does Israel have to sort out their house before people stop harassing Jews in the UK?

SunnyAfternoonToday · 15/05/2026 12:27

Stirabout · 15/05/2026 12:22

Twigs.
its disingenuous to suggest this line of discussion is a derail given we’ve both been around a long time on the CEM threads and even current ones go off on a tangent.

Lets not shut down relevant discussion

Threads do get derailed (and it is not disingenuous to suggest that they are) but posters are usually pulled up on it and sometimes even reported. The OP was perfectly clear and therefore the subject being discussed is what is happening here in the UK, not elsewhere. Anybody who wants to discuss Jerusalem Day is perfectly free to start their own thread. Sure there'll be plenty of posters willing to comment on it.

Twiglets1 · 15/05/2026 12:27

Stirabout · 15/05/2026 12:22

Twigs.
its disingenuous to suggest this line of discussion is a derail given we’ve both been around a long time on the CEM threads and even current ones go off on a tangent.

Lets not shut down relevant discussion

I'm just trying to explain to @JadeHare as she asked "Why has no one mentioned this?"

A question deserves an answer. Flag Day is not about the UK or about antisemitism. Nevertheless, people are free to go off at a tangent and mention it, and they have done.

Just don't expect a lot of people to be focusing on something that is not relevant to the thread title. Most of us came on the thread to discuss antisemitism and hate marches in the UK as per the OP.

Stirabout · 15/05/2026 12:33

SunnyAfternoonToday · 15/05/2026 12:27

Threads do get derailed (and it is not disingenuous to suggest that they are) but posters are usually pulled up on it and sometimes even reported. The OP was perfectly clear and therefore the subject being discussed is what is happening here in the UK, not elsewhere. Anybody who wants to discuss Jerusalem Day is perfectly free to start their own thread. Sure there'll be plenty of posters willing to comment on it.

So why didn’t anyone pull posters up earlier with all the so called ( not in my opinion derails )
page one for starters

because discussion moves on and that’s understood

If you don’t want to talk about flag day fine. I dare say the discussion will move on very soon

This line of discussion in itself is a derail
This thread isn’t about derails and as someone has already said. If you want to discuss flag day
derails start a thread

quantumbutterfly · 15/05/2026 12:35

inamarina · 15/05/2026 12:24

Why does Israel have to sort out their house before people stop harassing Jews in the UK?

Indeed. It's only Israel that needs to sort it's act out to keep UK citizens safe....what could the connection be? All other countries are of course havens of peace, love & light and anyone with a passing connection to them has nothing to fear. (Well possibly nerve agents, radioactive tea, high windows or other such hazardous enterprises).

Stirabout · 15/05/2026 12:38

Twiglets1 · 15/05/2026 12:27

I'm just trying to explain to @JadeHare as she asked "Why has no one mentioned this?"

A question deserves an answer. Flag Day is not about the UK or about antisemitism. Nevertheless, people are free to go off at a tangent and mention it, and they have done.

Just don't expect a lot of people to be focusing on something that is not relevant to the thread title. Most of us came on the thread to discuss antisemitism and hate marches in the UK as per the OP.

Thanks Twigs

some of us come on to discuss relevant topics and allow conversation to flow.
Which you do on your threads and I’m thankful for !

Flag day is relevant imo however and obviously in @JadeHare s opinion too
just as relevant as discussing anti semitism on mumsnet, which you mentioned earlier on. Some may consider that irrelevant though.
All relevant in my opinion

people are free to disagree
No one should censor

Twiglets1 · 15/05/2026 12:39

Stirabout · 15/05/2026 12:33

So why didn’t anyone pull posters up earlier with all the so called ( not in my opinion derails )
page one for starters

because discussion moves on and that’s understood

If you don’t want to talk about flag day fine. I dare say the discussion will move on very soon

This line of discussion in itself is a derail
This thread isn’t about derails and as someone has already said. If you want to discuss flag day
derails start a thread

Did anyone pull Jade up? I thought we were all just answering her question about why people on this thread were only focusing on hate marches in the UK with an antisemitic edge, rather than other marches with other motivations overseas.

Twiglets1 · 15/05/2026 12:46

There has been no attempt at censorship on this thread @Stirabout

I see that @JadeHare has now started a separate thread about far-right Jewish marchers at the march in Jerusalem. They sound as horrible as the extremists we see at some of our marches in the UK.

Stirabout · 15/05/2026 12:54

Twiglets1 · 15/05/2026 12:46

There has been no attempt at censorship on this thread @Stirabout

I see that @JadeHare has now started a separate thread about far-right Jewish marchers at the march in Jerusalem. They sound as horrible as the extremists we see at some of our marches in the UK.

Someone told me to start a thread on the subject and that I was derailing

utter bollocks
that’s, in my opinion, an attempt at censorship.

Stirabout · 15/05/2026 12:56

Twiglets1 · 15/05/2026 12:46

There has been no attempt at censorship on this thread @Stirabout

I see that @JadeHare has now started a separate thread about far-right Jewish marchers at the march in Jerusalem. They sound as horrible as the extremists we see at some of our marches in the UK.

Seems similar to the Orangeman marches in NI through Catholic areas

Thats not a derail comment either

Twiglets1 · 15/05/2026 13:18

Stirabout · 15/05/2026 12:54

Someone told me to start a thread on the subject and that I was derailing

utter bollocks
that’s, in my opinion, an attempt at censorship.

Edited

I expect they were just advising you rather than telling you since no one has the authority to tell anyone to do anything on these threads (apart from MN).

Stirabout · 15/05/2026 13:47

Twiglets1 · 15/05/2026 13:18

I expect they were just advising you rather than telling you since no one has the authority to tell anyone to do anything on these threads (apart from MN).

No need to say it then
If they are regulars on mumsnet and the CEM board

It’s insulting

Twiglets1 · 15/05/2026 13:50

Stirabout · 15/05/2026 13:47

No need to say it then
If they are regulars on mumsnet and the CEM board

It’s insulting

Think you're being a bit oversensitive. If you are a regular on MN you will know it's common when people stray from the topic under discussion to be advised to start their own thread.

Stirabout · 15/05/2026 13:54

Twiglets1 · 15/05/2026 13:50

Think you're being a bit oversensitive. If you are a regular on MN you will know it's common when people stray from the topic under discussion to be advised to start their own thread.

I can recognise real polite advice
thankfully

noblegiraffe · 15/05/2026 15:23

Whataboutery is really fucking obvious though.

Stirabout · 15/05/2026 16:16

Some positives
the Guardian today

The archbishop of Canterbury, Sarah Mullally, spoke out as communities across the UK engaged in

A Million Acts of Hope Week – a celebration of unity and diversity

This year’s Million Acts of Hope has promoted interfaith work and is backed by Mullally – who in March became the first woman to lead the Anglican church – the Muslim Council of Britain, UK Muslim Network and Rabbi Jonathan Wittenberg, the senior rabbi of Masorti Judaism UK.

Mullally said: “When we watch the news or scroll through our phones it can feel as though our country is more divided than ever. But this is not the whole story. When I visit churches and communities, I see people serving one another and looking out for those in need. This gives me hope.

“These acts of hope happen all the time yet so often they go unseen. There is far more that connects us than divides us. And when we choose hope we help build the kind of country we all long to live in.”
Wittenberg, a leading voice in interfaith dialogue, also said he took hope from the solidarity he had received from Muslims and Christians during the period following a spate of attacks last month on Jewish people and sites in London.
View image in fullscreen

Rabbi Jonathan Wittenberg said he had witnessed constant ‘acts of kindness’ between communities, such as the solidarity of many Muslim and Christian colleagues during this spate of antisemitism.

He added: “Every day we remember in our prayers that ‘acts of kindness are immeasurable’. I witness them constantly within my community, like taking food to families in mourning. I experience them between communities, like the solidarity of many Muslim and Christian colleagues during this spate of antisemitism.

“I see them in sustained support for refugees, despite the ugly slogans. I’m conscious of them across the community of all life, like the woman who travels 50 miles to fill the bird feeders on the hillside she loves. These acts of kindness express the true heart of our country.”
Downing Street said Starmer was taking action to “protect British communities from vile hate” amid the bans on foreign activists. Visiting the Metropolitan police’s command and control special operations room, the prime minister said: “We’re in a fight for the soul of this country, and the Unite the Kingdom march this weekend is a stark reminder of exactly what we are up against. Its organisers are peddling hatred and division, plain and simple.
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The archbishop of Canterbury, Sarah Mullally, said choosing hope helped ‘build the kind of country we all long to live in’.Photograph: Gareth Fuller/PA
“We will block those coming into the UK who seek to incite hatred and violence. For anyone who sets out to wreak havoc on our streets, to intimidate or threaten anyone, you can expect to face the full force of the law. My government will always champion peaceful protest but will act decisively against hatred. We all have a responsibility to speak out against those spouting vile divisive views wherever we see it. We are a country built on decency, fairness and respect, at our best when people from different backgrounds come together in common purpose. That is what we must fight for.”
Tomorrow is expected to be one of the busiest days of the year for policing in London. Many are expected to attend the pro-Palestine protest, while there will also be a presence by anti-fascist protesters organised by Stand Up to Racism’

Ellen2shoes · 15/05/2026 23:38

There are so many bad actors fuelling hate and division: Islamophobia and Antisemitism are equally vile.

How many times have we heard that these are ‘ 2 cheeks of the same arse’ as though there is nothing other than the arse end of humanity.

Marches are the only way left to protest against injustice.

Pointing the fingers at each other while those in charge get richer.

Twiglets1 · 16/05/2026 03:39

Ellen2shoes · 15/05/2026 23:38

There are so many bad actors fuelling hate and division: Islamophobia and Antisemitism are equally vile.

How many times have we heard that these are ‘ 2 cheeks of the same arse’ as though there is nothing other than the arse end of humanity.

Marches are the only way left to protest against injustice.

Pointing the fingers at each other while those in charge get richer.

Given what Jewish people are clearly telling us about feeling intimidated & threatened by the marches in the UK, & given that you think marches are the only way to protest against injustice ( which I disagree with), wouldn’t a fair compromise be a move to static protests?

Ellen2shoes · 16/05/2026 09:30

No, a moving march is a very powerful expression of dissent. Any compromise on this is the thin end of a dangerous wedge designed to erode our civil liberties. As much as I despise TR, I believe that restricting his march would be a mistake too.

In my opinion, the Met are behaving appallingly by suggesting that the route of the Palestine march was designed to be anti semitic when they themselves had to pre approve that route.

There are so many Jewish people on those marches - being called anti semitic is part of a revolting new trend which allows pro Israel non Jews to label diasporic Jews anti semitic because they disagree with the fascistic ideology of the Israeli government.

The world has turned on its head.

noblegiraffe · 16/05/2026 09:38

In my opinion, the Met are behaving appallingly by suggesting that the route of the Palestine march was designed to be anti semitic when they themselves had to pre approve that route.

You seem to have misunderstood what the Met said. They said they had to keep rejecting routes past synagogues. If you're saying 'we don't march past synagogues', the Met are saying 'not for want of trying'.

Ellen2shoes · 16/05/2026 10:02

But the first two suggested routes which did not pass any synagogues, were rejected by the Met

SunnyAfternoonToday · 16/05/2026 10:12

a moving march is a very powerful expression of dissent. Any compromise on this is the thin end of a dangerous wedge designed to erode our civil liberties.

Absolute tosh. A static demonstration does not erode civil liberties at all. Plenty of countries have them.

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