Rising anti swmtism in the UK....do we really need to crack down I n the Iran regime Hamas supporting mobs?

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https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cwyxxjgdn94o

It is now being increasingly reported that there are multiple threats against Jews in this country as a result of wars in the middle east. How do we go about defusing tensions? Should the police take a more active role? Should we look at social media more closely for stirring up hate? Maybe we should be educating children more about anti semttism in schools as well as importantly saying the right of Israel to exist as a state. The tide needs to turn.

Yes, antisemitism is thoroughly institutionalised in the arts IME. It’s really disturbing.

I don't care what's going on in the middle east (and in half middle eastern): the antisemitism problem in the UK is horrendous and has to be aggressively tackled.

Makes me ashamed to be British.

Thank you @Jillybox x

Court case for antisemitic attack

https://www.cps.gov.uk/london-north/news/woman-convicted-antisemitic-attack-outside-jewish-secondary-school-north-london

Jewish schools and synagogues now need security fencing and police guards, Muslim schools and mosques do not.

1 in 5 students now say that they would have an issue sharing a house with a Jewish person.

Not quite true. From the BBC:

More than £117m will be spent to protect mosques, Muslim schools and community centres in the UK from hate attacks over the next four years, the government says.
Home Secretary James Cleverly said the investment would give "reassurance and confidence" to British Muslims.
It will be spent on measures including CCTV cameras, alarms and fencing.

There are lots of Jewish people living in the UK who go and serve in the IDF then return to the U.K.

It this kind of unsubstantiated and ignorant statement which fans the flames of prejudice.

It lumps Jewish people living in the UK together as thought they are all the same. So offensive.

Actually 80% are British, with some families resident for generations. The majority of the rest were born elsewhere in Europe, or the Middle East, and a small percentage elsewhere.

The proportion of Israelis in the UK are just 0.04%. Remember that not all Israelis are Jewish. It’s understandable that many Israelis have served in the IDF because Israel has compulsory military service.

The business I work for has an arm that provides security and after the social media sh*t storm after the awful Southport attacks in 2024 had to provide emergency security at Muslim schools and places of worship.

While there are definitely people planning to attack Jewish sites, and security is needed for that reason, I think it's far easier for someone to use social media to raise a mob against Muslim people. Yes, I have absolutely sat in synagogue and wondered what I'd do and how I'd get out if there were a terror attack. But I don't have to worry that someone on X is going to rustle up a mob to a harass and intimidate us, because there's no popular appetite for that anywhere.

And before anyone says it, Palestine solidarity marches are not 'a mob against Jewish people' - the police (not the organisers) routed that march on a road parallel to a road with a synagogue, along a standard large protest route, and no one broke off from that march to harass or intimidate any shulgoers (because we certainly would have heard about it if they had).

The police have not had to be called to prevent attendees from harming any Jewish people - the only time there was a confrontation was when some guys from the pro Israel counter protest, against police restrictions, came to part of the march to try to make a scene with participants.

The attempt to distract and deflect this thread with "what about Islamophobic attacks" is sadly telling.

So let's look at the statistics:
As a Jew you are nearly 10 times more likely to suffer a hate crime than as a Muslim:
Anti-Jewish Hate Crimes: 106 offenses per 10,000 Jewish
population (the highest rate for any monitored religious group).

Anti-Muslim Hate Crimes: 12 offenses per 10,000 Muslim population.

Secondly as a Jew only 3.8% of recorded antisemitic offences led to a charge or summons.
Whereas approximately 6.7% of recorded anti-Muslim hate crimes resulted in a prosecution, leaving cases involving Muslim victims roughly 76% more likely to result in court action than those involving Jewish victims

Not sadly telling. You over exaggerated the facts. Muslim places now have to be protected too due to hate crimes. Let’s be honest.

It's not a competition but if it was, Jewish people would "win" for having the highest religious hate crimes rate per 10,000 population.

Hate crime, England and Wales, year ending March 2025
Published 9 October 2025

Jewish victims: 106/10000
Muslim victims: 12/10000

Obviously the figures are a little out of date now. The UK recorded the biggest rise in antisemitic incidents last year of any country with a major Jewish population outside Israel, according to a new report.

The report, published by the J7 Large Communities' Task Force Against Antisemitism found that 2025 had been the deadliest year for Jews living outside Israel in more than three decades.

It found that antisemitism in Argentina, Australia, Canada, France, Germany, the UK and the US – which together are home to more than 90% of the world's Jewish population outside Israel – remained at record levels.

https://www.gov.uk/government/statistics/hate-crime-england-and-wales-year-ending-march-2025/hate-crime-england-and-wales-year-ending-march-2025

www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c4gd240eelmo

There are no wins in this situation. Both sides are being victimised. A horrible situation to be in.

So facts are facts, and by quoting the level of per capita hate crimes against Jews compared to Muslims I clearly can see that hate crimes against Muslims exist.

You claim that my numbers citing that Jews are nearly ten times more likely to be victims of hate crimes than Muslims are "exaggerated " so here is the source:
https://www.reuters.com/world/jews-england-wales-suffer-highest-rate-religious-hate-crime-data-shows-2025-10-09/

But this then raises another interesting question as to what views do you hold that would motivate you to dispute the point, why would you want to dispute and claim that the level of hate crimes against Jews is "exaggerated "?

But "one side" is subject to hate crimes at nearly 10 times the "other side".

So any rational person would see that one is much worse than the other. Which again raises the question of what would motivate you to equate them with each other?

In many ways we are comparing apples and oranges here - I think the sorts of hatred, who they're coming from, what motivates them, is pretty different.

Islamophobia is very prevalent in the mainstream media and on social media, and in politics, and pretty much always comes from the right. Jews in Britain have not as yet, nor are likely to commit major acts of violence towards Muslims. That violence is generally stirred by the political right.

As a Jewish person who is concerned by Islamophobia I think it would also be naive to deny that there is really quite a lot of active antisemitism in the Muslim community. The biggest physical threat to Jews does come from Muslim extremism, let's not beat about the bush. Right wing agitators aren't that interested in us (for now) because Islam is the bigger issue for them. The mainstream media is pretty pro-Jewish, but there is a lot of antisemitism on social media, from both left, right and Muslim sources (and bots from Russia etc making trouble).

The answer to that isn't 'we should be more Islamophobic to protect the Jews' but we do need to build more bridges and make sure, for example, that people of all backgrounds get to meet Jews face to face and see that we are people - it's very easy to dehumanise someone you've never met and many people have never met a Jew as we are such a small minority. And it doesn't help that the media rarely gives voice to Jews who criticise Israel, so the public, and Muslim people (justifiably) angry at Israel's treatment of Palestinians might easily conclude we all unquestioningly support everything Israel does and that we all hate Muslims. Which I find both very sad and dangerous.

I don’t equate. I think it’s horrible. Why can’t you?

The end of your post is very kind and understanding. We need more of this and less division. Tricky place to get to.

It's completely disingenuous to compare 'Islamophobia' and antisemitism IMO.

The main reason people have an issue with Islam, and a 'fear' of it, is obviously due to the horrific terrorist attacks carried out by Muslims since 7/7 in 2005. The majority of terrorist attacks since then have been by Muslims.

75% of the active terrorist threat in the UK is from Muslims.

People can literally be blown up on a bus, train, at a concert, beheaded on the street etc.

Are people really expected to not have a negative opinion on a religion which can be interpreted in such a way that the perpetrators believe they are following their religion by carrying out such horrific atrocities?

It's insane!

Jews, on the other hand, pose zero risk to the UK and have never committed any terrorist attacks.

Yes, in England you are right. In other parts of the world this is not true.

Well said @Echobelly.

The Times: Antisemitic incidents ‘rise by a fifth’ amid US-Israel war with Iran

Antisemitism in Britain is believed to have spiked after the United States and Israel’s war with Iran and a double stabbing of two Jewish men in London, according to a report.

Data from the Community Security Trust (CST) details 1,926 antisemitic incidents recorded across the country in January to June, up by a fifth on the first half of last year, when there were 1,598.

It is the second-highest total reported to the trust in the first six months of any year, exceeded only by the 2,019 incidents recorded in the first half of 2024.

The numbers have been described as “appalling” by Sarah Jones, the policing and crime minister, who said they showed “people living in fear just for being who they are”.

The first few months of 2026 saw a series of arson attacks at Jewish sites in London, including on four Jewish community ambulances, as well as a double stabbing in Golders Green, which was treated as an act of terrorism.

The April 29 stabbings, which left two men injured, preceded the highest daily antisemitic incident totals of the six-month period. A total of 71 incidents were recorded by CST in the three days after the stabbing.

The trust said some of the incidents “celebrated the violence and called for further injuries to Jewish people, or used the incident to promote antisemitic conspiracy theories and anti-Jewish abuse”.

www.thetimes.com/uk/religion/article/antisemitic-incidents-rise-by-a-fifth-amid-us-israel-war-with-iran-cgm6dswt2

Why is it so hard for some people to admit you are more likely to be in a racially motivated attack if you are Jewish vs Muslim?

I also find the "it's a conspiracy /it didn't happen" remarks not from Jade, but many many others something I have never come across with other nationalities or races. Where was the demanding of more evidence from Sudan or refusing to believe Yazihidi witnessses for example.

Per Capita, yes, more attacks happen to Jews than Muslims in the Western world because there are less Jewish people living there than Muslims. I didn’t say that wasn’t true.

I was calling out the fact that a PP said Jewish schools needed protection and Muslim schools did not. That is not the case.

Both groups experience sharp increases in targeted threats, harassment, and violence during escalations of geopolitical conflict in the Middle East.

Meanwhile, you have people like this guy who's so salty about being suspended for spreadinf conspiravy theories and calling for Israel to be wiped out that he started an organisation to stop the NHS from attempting to combat antisemitism.

https://eurojewcong.org/news/communities-news/united-kingdom/nhs-consultant-arrested-after-selling-jewish-conspiracy-theory-pamphlet/

He's also quite a supported of Dr Rahmeh the racist, who apparently will be going on trial next year.

Well doesn't he sound charming - not.

Will be following the trial of Dr Rahmeh with interest. Hard to imagine how she can be found anything but Guilty of inviting support for the proscribed group Hamas.