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Conflict in the Middle East

Trump is desperate. How can he resolve the Iran shitshow?

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TooBigForMyBoots · 06/04/2026 00:32

He is flailing, desperate and increasingly unhinged. Weakening the USA, alienating allies and strengthening the enemies of democracy with every step.

How can he fix this?
Can he fix it at all?

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logicisall · 15/04/2026 06:43

Islandsofsand · 14/04/2026 23:22

That’s really interesting that Italian government taken this approach as a prior staunch supporter of Israel.

There have also been concerns in Israeli press about Orbán loosing the Hungarian election as he was a strong advocate for Israel within the EU.

The new PM Magyar in Hungary is reversing the country’s withdrawal from the ICC. Netanyahu may be less welcome in Hungary now.

Israeli actions in the Lebanon are making things more difficult for its allies in the EU.

I see that the US is now claiming military superiority in the Middle East. What good did that do in Vietnam etc. This not-war isn't going to end in two weeks, no matter how often Trump says it will.

Legssses · 15/04/2026 06:44

IMF warns war on Iran could push world economy to brink of recession
aje.news/lxeq57?update=4493326

logicisall · 15/04/2026 06:47

Legssses · 15/04/2026 06:44

IMF warns war on Iran could push world economy to brink of recession
aje.news/lxeq57?update=4493326

The UK is particularly badly placed on the inflation risk level. I was at the supermarket yesterday and the prices were an eye opener. I think we will all come to know the meaning of the word 'stagflation'.

logicisall · 15/04/2026 06:49

logicisall · 15/04/2026 06:43

I see that the US is now claiming military superiority in the Middle East. What good did that do in Vietnam etc. This not-war isn't going to end in two weeks, no matter how often Trump says it will.

Maritime, not military.

rainingsnoring · 15/04/2026 06:57

Legssses · 15/04/2026 06:44

IMF warns war on Iran could push world economy to brink of recession
aje.news/lxeq57?update=4493326

We were already near the brink of a recession before this even started (the US barely grew in Q4 2025). The Iran war will be used as an excuse for what was already happening anyway. Cutting off a significant percentage of the world's energy supplies makes things far worse. If this continues, it could be a depression. That's before you start thinking about the fertiliser situation and how that will affect the world food supply. Then there are all the other chemicals, etc that are essential for the supply of all sorts of things in our interconnected global economy of just in time supplies.

Legssses · 15/04/2026 07:09

logicisall · 15/04/2026 06:47

The UK is particularly badly placed on the inflation risk level. I was at the supermarket yesterday and the prices were an eye opener. I think we will all come to know the meaning of the word 'stagflation'.

I agree, the economic outlook is dire. I don't think that reality has fully hit home for some yet.

Twiglets1 · 15/04/2026 07:10

President Donald Trump has suggested talks aimed at ending the war in Iran could resume this week, after negotiations collapsed at the weekend, prompting the US to blockade Iranian ports.

"You should stay there [Islamabad], really, because something could be happening over the next two days, and we're more inclined to go there," Trump was quoted as saying in an interview with the New York Post.

His remarks came as the American military said US forces had "completely halted economic trade going into and out of Iran by sea" in the first 36 hours of the operation.

The stand-off has raised doubts over the prospects for a two-week ceasefire that is due to expire next week.

The Iranian side has not yet responded to Trump's remarks, but United Nations Secretary General António Guterres said it was "highly probable" that talks would restart.

Gulf, Pakistani and Iranian officials also said negotiating teams from Washington and Tehran could return to Pakistan later this week, with no date yet agreed, Reuters news agency reports.

Hopes that diplomacy might continue helped soothe oil markets, pushing benchmark prices below $100 on Tuesday.

www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c20ddnz4w5lo

Legssses · 15/04/2026 07:16

rainingsnoring · 15/04/2026 06:57

We were already near the brink of a recession before this even started (the US barely grew in Q4 2025). The Iran war will be used as an excuse for what was already happening anyway. Cutting off a significant percentage of the world's energy supplies makes things far worse. If this continues, it could be a depression. That's before you start thinking about the fertiliser situation and how that will affect the world food supply. Then there are all the other chemicals, etc that are essential for the supply of all sorts of things in our interconnected global economy of just in time supplies.

I agree, and I'm hearing lots of analysts and commentators are saying similar things.

The UK government hasn't done or said much about the economic and energy/fertiliser etc supply impacts yet. I'm going to be gracious and assume that's because they don't want to inspire panic buying which will worsen the situation.

But i also have friends and family planning on maxing out their credit, upsizing to the biggest house their mortgage provider will let them, and it all seems so disjointed.

logicisall · 15/04/2026 07:17

I see that Saudi is getting into the fray. There is so much posturing going on everywhere atm, but the Houthis have brought this up and it's another option in this war.

Saudi Arabia is pressing the United States to scale back its war in the Middle East, fearing Iran could retaliate by blockading the Red Sea and paralysing the kingdom’s economy.

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2026/04/13/blockade-or-no-western-allies-strait/

rainingsnoring · 15/04/2026 07:17

Legssses · 15/04/2026 07:09

I agree, the economic outlook is dire. I don't think that reality has fully hit home for some yet.

It definitely hasn't hit home. Most people are not aware of it at all, especially those who were pro war, I expect.

Even if everything goes back to normal tomorrow, the chances of a recession are extremely high. Watch the US bond market too.

Twiglets1 · 15/04/2026 07:19

Panic buying won't help anything and the indications are that both the US & Iran want to agree terms and end the war in Iran soon.

They will both be able to get some of the things they said they wanted at the outset and thus be able to claim "victory" despite neither will get everything they wanted.

rainingsnoring · 15/04/2026 07:20

Legssses · 15/04/2026 07:16

I agree, and I'm hearing lots of analysts and commentators are saying similar things.

The UK government hasn't done or said much about the economic and energy/fertiliser etc supply impacts yet. I'm going to be gracious and assume that's because they don't want to inspire panic buying which will worsen the situation.

But i also have friends and family planning on maxing out their credit, upsizing to the biggest house their mortgage provider will let them, and it all seems so disjointed.

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I agree that governments don't want to panic people but I strongly suspect that they are aware of some of the risks at least.

I've been making your second point for some time on the property board that this is not a good time to massively stretch yourself or take on lots of debt. It's worrying.

Amiacoolorwarmcolour · 15/04/2026 07:26

What the actual fuck is wrong with Trump? Seriously.
As for Netanyahu, well what can anyone say that hasn’t already been said.
I feel like humans are in some kind of experiment. Put on earth to see if we can actually do good things or if we will allow men, and yes men, not women, to fucking destroy us and everything around us.
Quite frankly I’m glad my DCs don’t have children who will suffer the consequences of this.
Men like Trump will destroy us.
Hopefully the animals will survive as humans die.

Mother Nature will blossom and earth will revive itself.

Alexandra2001 · 15/04/2026 07:30

logicisall · 15/04/2026 07:21

But i also have friends and family planning on maxing out their credit, upsizing to the biggest house their mortgage provider will let them, and it all seems so disjointed.

Gosh, I hope they have a rethink. Now is not the time to be making financial decisions like this.
https://www.mortgagestrategy.co.uk/news/imf-downgrades-uk-economic-forecasts-and-heightens-inflation-expectations/

Its a forecast only and can change, dependent on what happens in Iran.....

But UK growth would still be pretty much in the ball park of comparable countries in Europe at 0.8%, down from 1.3%, Germany is forecast to be 0.8% and France 0.9%.

logicisall · 15/04/2026 07:44

Alexandra2001 · 15/04/2026 07:30

Its a forecast only and can change, dependent on what happens in Iran.....

But UK growth would still be pretty much in the ball park of comparable countries in Europe at 0.8%, down from 1.3%, Germany is forecast to be 0.8% and France 0.9%.

Do current account mortgages still exist? That would be one way of hedging your bet on rising interest rates.

rainingsnoring · 15/04/2026 07:51

Alexandra2001 · 15/04/2026 07:30

Its a forecast only and can change, dependent on what happens in Iran.....

But UK growth would still be pretty much in the ball park of comparable countries in Europe at 0.8%, down from 1.3%, Germany is forecast to be 0.8% and France 0.9%.

I think we can essentially guarantee that these figures will be wrong. The UK has had no growth for some time, in reality. The figures are just altered a little to make things look better than they are. They won't be able to continue to do that in the fairly near future though.

Alexandra2001 · 15/04/2026 07:57

Growth figures are like inflation numbers, they cover so many sectors services and goods.
A broad picture at best.

Trump now threatening UK with further "trade deal" changes.... oh to be IN the EU.....

We are so vulnerable now, in so many ways.

Twiglets1 · 15/04/2026 08:12

Though I equally wish we were in the EU, their current forecasts aren’t better than ours at the moment.

Notonthestairs · 15/04/2026 08:28

The EU has greater leverage.

Of course if we had not Brexit-ed in the first place we wouldn't have damaged GDP or investment so badly. Project Fear.

Alexandra2001 · 15/04/2026 08:30

Its nothing to do with growth, though being able to trade totally freely with Europe would help our economy, it opens up a market of 400m plus.

Trump can slap us with new Tariffs, should he wish, probably will do, once he hears Reeves criticisms.

In the EU he couldn't do this, as Spain was protected from his demented wroth.

Twiglets1 · 15/04/2026 08:32

Brexit was a mistake in many ways.

I know a couple of people who voted for it as a “protest vote” & feel sure the results would be different if there was another referendum.

Still, we are where we are & can’t change that for probably a few years.

Alexandra2001 · 15/04/2026 08:46

Twiglets1 · 15/04/2026 08:32

Brexit was a mistake in many ways.

I know a couple of people who voted for it as a “protest vote” & feel sure the results would be different if there was another referendum.

Still, we are where we are & can’t change that for probably a few years.

Yes another economic disaster that the Tories gave us...... the so called party of the Economy

logicisall · 15/04/2026 08:48

I think that EU trade and UK growth tell a connected story because the EU makes up around 41% of total UK trade.

1dayatatime · 15/04/2026 11:31

Alexandra2001 · 15/04/2026 08:46

Yes another economic disaster that the Tories gave us...... the so called party of the Economy

I don't disagree that Brexit was and continues to be an economic disaster, but how is it the Tories for giving voters the democratic choice of whether they wanted Brexit (and a worse economy) or not?

Unless of course you think that some voters are too dumb to be allowed to vote on important matters such as Brexit.

Indeed as much as Brexit certainly damaged the economy, the Green Party economic policies would damage it far more if for example they were in a coalition government with Labour.

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