Iranian attack hit water desalination plant in Kuwait

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Cannot find a link yet but was on BBC as breaking news.

Well, actually,
The US admitted it.
Hegseth said but we would never have targeted a school (so it wasn’t deliberate)
Then Trump tried to blame Iran for it.

And this is just 1 school out of around 600 total Iranian schools hit by the US and Israel combined. Around 100 oopsies in six weeks.

OK - I was not aware they have officially taken responsibility for the hit, I thought they were still investigating it. Perhaps because it has not been confirmed.

I believe them that they would not deliberately target a school, you don't.

It's all just opinion which we won't change each other's minds on because it depends on our preconceived ideas of the US.

No and I believe it counts as a "War Crime".

Not that Iran will be bothered about that 🙄

Sorry what? I never said they’d deliberately target a school.
The Pentagon confirming it is good enough for me. I don’t need the only person above the Pentagon, Trump, to confirm it.

If you agree that it was most likely an accident, why are you still bringing it up now as a stick to beat the US with?

The school was hit 40 mins later in a double tap. The school isnt just any school but the daughters of military officers, that signals to be that it was highly unlikely to be an random accident twice.

Trump in particular forcefully blamed Iran on more than one occasion - misfired missile from nearby Iranian base was the theory - with much comparison to the Alhili hospital misfiring in certain quarters

The giveaway was the film of the missiles involved which were undeniably American

Did you miss all that?

You are not convinced that countries in the ME will want to distance themselves from Iran because the initial aggression came from the US and Israel.

I think the relationship will be soured for a long time after the war.

Iranian attacks pose existential threat, Gulf states warn

Gulf Arab states have told the UN Human Rights Council they face an existential threat from Iranian attacks on their infrastructure, which the UN human-rights chief said might constitute war crimes.

The war on Iran has sparked large-scale Iranian retaliation in the form of drone and missile strikes on energy and civilian infrastructure in Gulf countries, killing civilians and driving up oil prices.

"We are seeing an existential threat to international and regional security. This aggressive approach is undermining international law and sovereignty," Kuwait's ambassador Naser Abdullah HM Alhayen told the council.

Other Gulf states said Iran's actions were designed to spread terror. The United Arab Emirates' ambassador Jamal Jama al Musharakh denounced Iran's "attempt to destabilise the international order through reckless adventures of expansionism”.

Countries at the 47-member council adopted a motion condemning Iran's "unprovoked and deliberate" strikes, seeking reparations from Iran and asking the UN to monitor the situation.

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/middle-east/iran-us-war-live-oil-trump-israel-strait-of-hormuz-peace-talks-b2945090.html

Because this thread is all about how awful it is that Iran has hit a desalination plant in an uninvolved country - it's very relevant for neutral bystanders to point out that such tactics are done by all of the hideous actors involved. That clear precedents were set by those that started this war.
Sticks used to beat a global superpower by a mumsnet commentator? Come on! It's just stating the truth.

Did I miss "all that" ?

Who else in the US government apart from Trump - who we all know is a wild card on occasion - blamed Iran for it?

Theories, yes there were lots of theories flying around. Which blamed all 3 possible options - the US, Israel and Iran because nobody knew.

All the criticism that has been levelled against Israel's conduct in the Gaza war (some of it legitimate such as for striking civilian infrastructure, some of it not) - yet people get criticised for pointing out that Iran was wrong to hit a desalination plant in an uninvolved country?

Iran is not even at war with Kuwait. It's likely a war crime.

The IRGC are responsible for their own actions and bringing Israel into the discussion doesn't change that.

Sounds like minimising the actions of the IRGC to me.

It is awful what they have done and no amount of precedents changes that.

I’m not sure that the US accidentally hitting a school means that Iran has carte blanche to hit bystanders who have done nothing to them.

If anything, it would excuse Iran hitting a US school accidentally. Kuwait has nothing to do with anything.

The US deliberately hit a bridge, 8 people dead and 95 injured.

Neither Iran or the US are innocent parties.

Agreed. But Kuwait is.

Well, tbh Kuwait is a huge ally to the USA, so from the Iranian POV, Kuwait is a legitimate target.
After all, on the first day of this war, USA bombed a school... so a water treatment plant is very much in the scope of targets for the Iranians.

BTW Totally condemn this attack as a war crime as is the entire war, an illegal conflict from its start.

So the Iranians have managed to shoot down a jet, an F15, Iran clearly still has a great deal of capability left.

Reminds me of what happened in WW1, huge 72hour artillery bombardment "Nothing left of the Hun now lads, over the top we go..." into hail of bullets.

The school wasn't a target though but an accident according to the US, who confirm they do not ever target schools. The desalination plant on the other hand... Iran have made it clear they are targeting infrastructure across the Middle East, particularly countries they consider allies of the US.

I'm glad you accept this attack was a war crime, but you give Iran the benefit of the doubt when you assume that because they have shot down a jet (an F15 not the F35 they said they had shot down, hence some confusion), that necessarily means they must "have a great deal of capability left".

They have some capability left which is obvious from their actions, but how much they have left we do not know.

Re the bombing of the school.

There is a legal responsibility to do everything feasible to verify the status of a targeted object before launch. The school had been established since 2016 - open source, public domain information. It is not enough to say ‘a mistake’ - by relying on old information or worse AI, they failed in quite basic duties.

Bombing of civilian infrastructure - be that a bridge or water plant - is a war crime. There seems to be a lot of it about.

According to the USA, the same USA who bombed a bridge and then went back again an hour later.... to get the rescuers...

Yes a war crime (if its the Iranians that did it) but when the US do terrible things, these are not war crimes, the word of the USA is taken as gospel... no such leeway is given to the Iranians is it...

This entire war should not be happening, Israel/USA are no better than Russia in Ukraine, along with a similar hotchpotch of justifications.

As i've said before, i ve no idea if the School was a target, a total mistake or most likely, a price worth paying to get the main IRGC facility next door.

Shooting down a modern US fighter indicates a great deal of capability, it wasn't done by a guy with a AK47...

Don't understand the "benefit of doubt" comment, there is no doubt, they did it....

Lets hope and pray the remaining airman is rescued.

Very worrying that US intel did not know their target was a school.

Yes let's hope the remaining airman is rescued in time because God knows what the monstrous IRCG would do if they get to him first.

Hegseth: “No mercy, no quarter” for US enemies.

Iran now: “US soldiers will be regarded as prisoners of war under the Geneva Convention.”

Who would ever have thought Iran would come across as the rational ones

The IRGC aren’t rational when torturing or executing people, not at all.

Hopefully the pilot gets out ok.

I was talking about the conflict with Iran as you well know. Venezuela is in South America. Syria different conflict. Eyc etc different conflicts nothing to do with this conflict as you are probably aware?

We were COMPARING to Iran striking Kuwait, UAE, Saudi, the countries in THE REGION in relationto this conflict.

I realise there is a lot of Iranian regime support from some but sadly their own citizens cannot get messages out due to regime suppression although most of us really hope the regime lose and the people regain their country.

Sounds like some don't care.