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Conflict in the Middle East

Iranian attack hit water desalination plant in Kuwait

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Ihatetomatoes · 03/04/2026 09:21

Cannot find a link yet but was on BBC as breaking news.

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logicisall · 07/04/2026 09:33

EasternStandard · 07/04/2026 09:20

Not sure why who you’re emailing is relevant to the intention of the earlier post.

I thought it was pretty obvious @EasternStandard .

And what's this with posting times, just c&p the relevant quote.
Or is it a thread requirement like always having to include the disclaimer that a criticism of the WH Regime does not constitute support for Iran's?

EasternStandard · 07/04/2026 09:34

logicisall · 07/04/2026 09:33

I thought it was pretty obvious @EasternStandard .

And what's this with posting times, just c&p the relevant quote.
Or is it a thread requirement like always having to include the disclaimer that a criticism of the WH Regime does not constitute support for Iran's?

What was obvious? Can you explain

Re times since you’ve waded in scroll back to first question

RedTagAlan · 07/04/2026 09:47

Twiglets1 · 07/04/2026 09:29

If you’re going to police my every comment then maybe you should do the same to all the people saying Israel is committing a genocide in Gaza.

That hasn’t been determined by an international court of law either and won’t be for several years.

Double standard indeed seeing as you are making such a big deal about this but let comments by other people go without comment.

But these threads are about Iran, not Gaza.

Anyway. Re Gaza, if someone says accused of Genocide or variations. then factually true. And if someone was to say there is genocide in Gaza, I can't disagree with that, because an UN commission has said that is the case. So I am not about to debate genocide or no genocide when a UN commission says there is. Especially not on a thread about the Iran war.

I don't even have to clip from this UN press release; it's right there in the title. From September last year.

Israel has committed genocide in the Gaza Strip, UN Commission finds | OHCHR

Twiglets1 · 07/04/2026 10:01

RedTagAlan · 07/04/2026 09:47

But these threads are about Iran, not Gaza.

Anyway. Re Gaza, if someone says accused of Genocide or variations. then factually true. And if someone was to say there is genocide in Gaza, I can't disagree with that, because an UN commission has said that is the case. So I am not about to debate genocide or no genocide when a UN commission says there is. Especially not on a thread about the Iran war.

I don't even have to clip from this UN press release; it's right there in the title. From September last year.

Israel has committed genocide in the Gaza Strip, UN Commission finds | OHCHR

There are multiple examples of people saying Israel are committing genocide, as you well know. You don't correct or challenge them. And here you are trying to show evidence that they are correct to say it as it were a fact (it isn't).

This UN Commission is not a court of law and does not even claim to officially speak for the UN.

From the BBC: The commission said its latest report was "the strongest and most authoritative UN finding to date" on the war. However, it does not officially speak for the UN.

The UN says it cannot make a legal determination as to whether a situation constitutes genocide under international law. It says a situation is referred to as genocide only after a competent national or international court has declared it as such.

When asked by journalists on Tuesday if he would consider using the word genocide to describe Israel's actions in Gaza, UN human rights chief Volker Türk said: "It's for the court to decide whether it's genocide or not, and we see the evidence mounting."

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c8641wv0n4go

TopPocketFind · 07/04/2026 10:02

There seems to be a reluctance to criticise Trump and his speeches announcing war crimes.

Ihatetomatoes · 07/04/2026 10:06

RedTagAlan · 07/04/2026 09:16

Yup. So perhaps what you should be posting is ""Iran might be committing war crimes" rather than "Iran is committing war crimes ? And variations of.

That might help prevent confusion and the appearance of double standards.

And yes, while it is ultimately up to the courts, posting on social media that can possibly influence public opinion does carry a bit of responsibility with it.

Whilst you are policing the comments of some, might you correct your error on another thread, where you said there were only a few uprisings in a couple of cities? I mean, you obviously want everyone else to be precise. I've corrected your error with evidence from Amnesty. HTH

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RedTagAlan · 07/04/2026 10:08

Twiglets1 · 07/04/2026 10:01

There are multiple examples of people saying Israel are committing genocide, as you well know. You don't correct or challenge them. And here you are trying to show evidence that they are correct to say it as it were a fact (it isn't).

This UN Commission is not a court of law and does not even claim to officially speak for the UN.

From the BBC: The commission said its latest report was "the strongest and most authoritative UN finding to date" on the war. However, it does not officially speak for the UN.

The UN says it cannot make a legal determination as to whether a situation constitutes genocide under international law. It says a situation is referred to as genocide only after a competent national or international court has declared it as such.

When asked by journalists on Tuesday if he would consider using the word genocide to describe Israel's actions in Gaza, UN human rights chief Volker Türk said: "It's for the court to decide whether it's genocide or not, and we see the evidence mounting."

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c8641wv0n4go

But the thread is not about Gaza.

If a UN commission said something Iran done was or is a war crime, then that is good enough for me. I am sure it would be for you too.

RedTagAlan · 07/04/2026 10:11

Ihatetomatoes · 07/04/2026 10:06

Whilst you are policing the comments of some, might you correct your error on another thread, where you said there were only a few uprisings in a couple of cities? I mean, you obviously want everyone else to be precise. I've corrected your error with evidence from Amnesty. HTH

And did I persist with my error ? Or was I happy to be corrected ?

Incidentally, you never said how many cities. I did ask, and I did say I can't open those reports.. twice.

TopPocketFind · 07/04/2026 10:19

BBC headline

Israel warns Iranians not to travel by train as Trump threatens to 'demolish' infrastructure

We could as well be reading about Russia.

Golden407 · 07/04/2026 10:22

EasternStandard · 05/04/2026 06:56

Do you think the EU have got it wrong? Here’s the reason for proscription.

Speaking in Brussels on Thursday, French Foreign Minister Jean-Noel Barrot described it as "the most violent repression in Iran's modern history" and said there could be "no impunity for the crimes committed".

I don’t believe the EU is the ultimate authority on the morality of national governments.
Whilst there is plenty criticise the Iranian government government for i don’t believe the violence at the beginning of the year was spontaneous. Alistair Crook wrote a piece on the CIA/Mossad, how they’ve been running a training camp in Albania for over a decade training thousands of Kurds for infiltration into Iran in order to instigate civil unrest to provide a pretext for intervention.
There’s been a huge amount of effort to achieve “regime change” in Iran

RedTagAlan · 07/04/2026 10:25

TopPocketFind · 07/04/2026 10:19

BBC headline

Israel warns Iranians not to travel by train as Trump threatens to 'demolish' infrastructure

We could as well be reading about Russia.

Imagine the outcry if such a warning was put out for the UK. It would be called terrorism.

Ihatetomatoes · 07/04/2026 10:26

RedTagAlan · 07/04/2026 10:11

And did I persist with my error ? Or was I happy to be corrected ?

Incidentally, you never said how many cities. I did ask, and I did say I can't open those reports.. twice.

It states hundreds, not a precise number, but clearly not just a couple. The Wikipedia link and the BBC links I also provided also states either hundreds or over a hundred cities and state the uprisings were 'nationwide'.

There you go.

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Ihatetomatoes · 07/04/2026 10:29

RedTagAlan · 07/04/2026 10:25

Imagine the outcry if such a warning was put out for the UK. It would be called terrorism.

It would be if there wasn't a war on. With a war ongoing some might see it as a warning to evacuate. There is a war on. Hopefully one that can be resolved between the parties.

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EasternStandard · 07/04/2026 10:30

Golden407 · 07/04/2026 10:22

I don’t believe the EU is the ultimate authority on the morality of national governments.
Whilst there is plenty criticise the Iranian government government for i don’t believe the violence at the beginning of the year was spontaneous. Alistair Crook wrote a piece on the CIA/Mossad, how they’ve been running a training camp in Albania for over a decade training thousands of Kurds for infiltration into Iran in order to instigate civil unrest to provide a pretext for intervention.
There’s been a huge amount of effort to achieve “regime change” in Iran

I see, although there have been suppressed uprisings in 1999, 2009, 2022 whether students, women or other.

Here is an overview on what the protestors faced.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c0mgndkklvmo

And no that doesn’t mean I’m posting everyone has to agree on what happens next, but that those protests have been verified.

A composite image shows a machine gun mounted in the back of a white pickup truck (left) and a screen grab from a video verified by BBC News Persian of the 9 January protests in the north-eastern city of Mashhad, showing two figures in black tactical u...

Machine guns to machetes: Weapons that massacred thousands in Iran

BBC News Persian Forensic has been able to confirm the security forces' deployment of a wide array of lethal and non-lethal weaponry.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c0mgndkklvmo

RedTagAlan · 07/04/2026 10:47

Ihatetomatoes · 07/04/2026 10:26

It states hundreds, not a precise number, but clearly not just a couple. The Wikipedia link and the BBC links I also provided also states either hundreds or over a hundred cities and state the uprisings were 'nationwide'.

There you go.

Also blocked where I am.

I get Brittanica, and it does not say a lot.

TopPocketFind · 07/04/2026 11:07

Israel and the US struck 17 civilian targets on Tuesday morning, the Iranian Red Crescent said, in attacks that the humanitarian NGO have decried as war crimes.

Ihatetomatoes · 07/04/2026 11:13

RedTagAlan · 07/04/2026 10:11

And did I persist with my error ? Or was I happy to be corrected ?

Incidentally, you never said how many cities. I did ask, and I did say I can't open those reports.. twice.

The links to the BBC show over a hundred. The Wikipedia general comment says hundreds. Amnesty (that you are unable to see where you live) states hundreds sns nationwide.

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TopPocketFind · 07/04/2026 11:18

Nearly 3,600 people have been killed in the US-Israeli strikes on Iran since attacks began, including at least 1,665 civilians, the Human Rights Activists news agency (HRANA) said.
Of those numbers, at least 248 of those killed were children, the US-based NGO said.
At least 49 civilians were killed and 58 others were injured on Monday, according to HRANA, which recorded 573 attacks across 215 incidents in 20 provinces over that 24-hour period – the highest rate of attacks seen in the last ten days.

Ihatetomatoes · 07/04/2026 11:18

RedTagAlan · 07/04/2026 10:47

Also blocked where I am.

I get Brittanica, and it does not say a lot.

The BBC are blocked where you live also? Or did you mean Wikipedia?

Amnesty blocked. It sounds very restrictive where you live. Must be difficult to get a balance when so many sites are blocked. It must be hard when only some sites are allowed, sounds authoritarian. The UK has assess to so much, although included is complete rubbish as often posted on Tic tok.

I can cut and paste if you find it difficult to read information from various sites. Although previously I cut and paste to assist another who couldn't assess and had the 'links please ' so I tend to share links.

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Ihatetomatoes · 07/04/2026 11:24

RedTagAlan · 07/04/2026 10:47

Also blocked where I am.

I get Brittanica, and it does not say a lot.

Brittanica asked the question 'how many cities had uprisings in Iran January 2026, produced thus:

"The provided information indicates that protests began in Tehran on December 28, 2025, and quickly spread across the country, continuing through mid-January 2026. While the exact number of cities that experienced uprisings is not specified, the protests are described as having spread "across the country" and being the "closest in years to matching the scale of the 2022 protests". The government launched a brutal crackdown on January 8, 2026, which resulted in a significant number of deaths."

It's very limited in information. 😯 wow so much detail missed. Im glad the UK allows access to independent organisations like Amnesty. It's very helpful

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Ihatetomatoes · 07/04/2026 11:28

TopPocketFind · 07/04/2026 11:18

Nearly 3,600 people have been killed in the US-Israeli strikes on Iran since attacks began, including at least 1,665 civilians, the Human Rights Activists news agency (HRANA) said.
Of those numbers, at least 248 of those killed were children, the US-based NGO said.
At least 49 civilians were killed and 58 others were injured on Monday, according to HRANA, which recorded 573 attacks across 215 incidents in 20 provinces over that 24-hour period – the highest rate of attacks seen in the last ten days.

It's awful, especially added to the thousands slaughtered for protesting by the regime.

It is vital that talks between the parties take place urgently. The regime much like its proxies probably wouldn't surrender to save the citizens, since it cares little for them. What a mess.

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RedTagAlan · 07/04/2026 11:29

Ihatetomatoes · 07/04/2026 10:29

It would be if there wasn't a war on. With a war ongoing some might see it as a warning to evacuate. There is a war on. Hopefully one that can be resolved between the parties.

Resolved ?

TopPocketFind · 07/04/2026 11:31

Ihatetomatoes · 07/04/2026 11:28

It's awful, especially added to the thousands slaughtered for protesting by the regime.

It is vital that talks between the parties take place urgently. The regime much like its proxies probably wouldn't surrender to save the citizens, since it cares little for them. What a mess.

Surrender?

This war was never about a regime change or the Iranian people, Trump has made that very clear

RedTagAlan · 07/04/2026 11:39

Ihatetomatoes · 07/04/2026 11:24

Brittanica asked the question 'how many cities had uprisings in Iran January 2026, produced thus:

"The provided information indicates that protests began in Tehran on December 28, 2025, and quickly spread across the country, continuing through mid-January 2026. While the exact number of cities that experienced uprisings is not specified, the protests are described as having spread "across the country" and being the "closest in years to matching the scale of the 2022 protests". The government launched a brutal crackdown on January 8, 2026, which resulted in a significant number of deaths."

It's very limited in information. 😯 wow so much detail missed. Im glad the UK allows access to independent organisations like Amnesty. It's very helpful

Goodness me. I don't think you are getting the point at all. If Amnesty, BBC and wiki are blocked where I am, do you really just assume AI works ? The Brittanica website is what I get. And before you screenshot and post it to keep showing how wrong I was ( after I said happy to be corrected), it might not be the same.

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