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Conflict in the Middle East

Israel votes for death penalty for Palestinians convicted of lethal attacks

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CanAnybodyFindMe · 31/03/2026 14:07

“Israel's far-right National Security Minister Itamar Ben-Gvir wore a noose pin on his lapel to signal his support for the bill”

I first heard about this on Facebook and thought it might be anti-Israel fake news. But no, it’s true.

Absolutely horrifying and sickening.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cp8dkd6lnjdo

Itamar Ben-Gvir wearing a black suit, red tie and white kippah, talking on a podium in front of Israeli flags

Palestinians convicted of lethal attacks face death penalty under new Israeli law

The new law, passed on Monday, was pushed hard by the far-right and Security Minister Itamar Ben-Gvir.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cp8dkd6lnjdo

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Emilesgran · 29/04/2026 14:12

Boolabus · 29/04/2026 13:55

Yes agree their views are very transparent and entrenched. It's a waste of our time and energy responding to such deep rooted hate.

It’s not about nor caring that Palestinian children are dying - it’s a tragedy.

I just don’t see what alternative Israel had after Hamas attacked and kidnapped Israeli civilians and promised to do the same again and again.

If you have a solution that Israel could have chosen instead, please let us know. Otherwise you’re just blaming the victims.

tofumad · 29/04/2026 14:17

Emilesgran · 29/04/2026 14:09

What’s your suggestion then for Israel after the genocidal attack on October 7th?

In international law they were allowed to attack Gaza to prevent Hamas from repeating the attack - as Hamas had promised to do. Hamas chose to refuse to let its own civilians shelter in the tunnels underneath Gaza, thus using Palestinians as shields for Hamas fighters.

So tell us: what do you think Israel should have done that would have removed Hamas from power without killing a single Gazan civilian?

Because I don’t know what that would be.

What should Palestinians do to defend themselves against the shameless land theft, murder, sexual abuse, torture and general oppression that they have suffered at the hands of Israel for decades? What would be appropriate in your view?

Dreamymeme · 29/04/2026 14:17

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FloralDeerPattern · 29/04/2026 14:35

Boolabus · 29/04/2026 13:55

Yes agree their views are very transparent and entrenched. It's a waste of our time and energy responding to such deep rooted hate.

Spot on. People aren't going to snap out of extremism because of a post on a parenting forum.

Stirabout · 29/04/2026 15:05

Emilesgran · 29/04/2026 10:18

No but Israel is not the aggressor when it attacks a country that has been firing rockets at for years, nor the country that’s been funding those attacks - and the proof of that is why else would Iran insist that Israel had to stop fighting Hezbollah in Lebanon as part of the ceasefire between Iran, the US and Israel!

Israel are clearly the aggressors
After the way tens of thousands of people have been killed and maimed and their homes destroyed
Even now they
continue to bulldoze land that is not theirs they
continue to occupy land that is not theirs they
encourage settler violence in land that is not theirs

They are the aggressors and have been for decades

They've killed enough Palestinians over the years and now they wish to kill even more with the death penalty
Killing in plain site
making it legal to do so now
and without the need for war

They are the aggressors and this one sided discriminatory death penalty goes yet further in proving that
Anyone who can’t see that is blind
or prejudiced

KatiePricesKnickers · 29/04/2026 15:36

Don’t commit murder, don’t get the death sentence.

Stirabout · 29/04/2026 15:36

FloralDeerPattern · 29/04/2026 13:39

At the very least the civilians are guilty of aiding and abetting. At the very least.

All of 2million civillians in Gaza are guilty and you don't care if they are killed, yes we got that from your previous post. I'm not sure you that have to keep repeating it. You certainly arent alone with those thoughts.

https://truthout.org/articles/israeli-politician-says-children-of-gaza-have-brought-this-upon-themselves/

Edited

ThanksFloral
polls in Israel have been shocking to read but they do back up the existence and disgusting attitude that some people’s lives are worth less than others.
No wonder the death penalty passed
No wonder it’s being extended to the West Bank
No wonder so many innocents have been murdered by the IDF

[ Around 70% of Jewish Israelis support the death penalty ( not for themselves of course ) ]

Stirabout · 29/04/2026 15:37

KatiePricesKnickers · 29/04/2026 15:36

Don’t commit murder, don’t get the death sentence.

You are missing the point
Israelis can commit murder but they won’t get the death sentence

Maybe they’ll even be applauded just like the IDF rapists are

whoamI00 · 29/04/2026 15:40

Dreamymeme · 29/04/2026 13:23

Bullshit. I gave no hatred against anyone based on their race, colour or any other characteristic. I judge people by their actions or inactions.

When a pseudo state spent 18 years firing missiles at Israeli civilians, hoping to kill as many as possible, pardon me if my sympathy for them has run a bit dry.

And don't ignore the crucial point I made about not one single Gazan civilian offering information on the whereabouts of the hostages. Even when there was an offer of $5 million on the table. Not one single Gazan stepped up. Let that sink in.

At the very least the civilians are guilty of aiding and abetting. At the very least.

And as I made the point earlier when countries don't attack Israel when countries don't attack Israel, Israel doesn't attack them. The simplest and easiest way not to get any of your civilians killed in collateral damage, is to not fucking attack Israel first. Simple.

On 27 February 2026, the U.S. and Israel attacked Iran. Iran did not attack Israel before they got attacked by Israel. This directly contradicts what you tried to say.

Stirabout · 29/04/2026 15:44

FloralDeerPattern · 29/04/2026 14:35

Spot on. People aren't going to snap out of extremism because of a post on a parenting forum.

It’s blind hatred !

Emilesgran · 29/04/2026 16:09

tofumad · 29/04/2026 14:17

What should Palestinians do to defend themselves against the shameless land theft, murder, sexual abuse, torture and general oppression that they have suffered at the hands of Israel for decades? What would be appropriate in your view?

They should do what the Greeks did when they were expelled from Turkey in the 1920s, or the Indians expelled from Pakistan in 1948 & the Jews from the Middle East from the 40s-70s, and the Armenians from Nagorno-Karabakh in 2023: accept that they have lost & either protest peacefully (ie without targeting BABIES and old people) to get a compromise of some sort, or just get on with making a new life for themselves. Like everyone else has to do when they start a war and then lose it.

Plus, unlike all those others, the “nakhba” was largely caused by the Arab armies telling Arabs to leave for a few weeks so they could kill all the Jews. Arabs who stayed in Israel now have full civil rights - the rest CHOSE to leave thinking they’d grab the Jews’ possessions afterwards.

They refused the creation of a Palestinian state that was offered to them because they wanted to destroy Israel. They gambled and lost.

Emilesgran · 29/04/2026 16:16

Stirabout · 29/04/2026 15:37

You are missing the point
Israelis can commit murder but they won’t get the death sentence

Maybe they’ll even be applauded just like the IDF rapists are

Edited

They will if it’s treason against the state of Israel. Iran has killed hundreds for treason against Iran. Oddly enough they don’t have the death penalty for treason against other countries. Because that’s how laws on treason work.

LassiKopiano24 · 29/04/2026 16:17

Dreamymeme · 29/04/2026 13:23

Bullshit. I gave no hatred against anyone based on their race, colour or any other characteristic. I judge people by their actions or inactions.

When a pseudo state spent 18 years firing missiles at Israeli civilians, hoping to kill as many as possible, pardon me if my sympathy for them has run a bit dry.

And don't ignore the crucial point I made about not one single Gazan civilian offering information on the whereabouts of the hostages. Even when there was an offer of $5 million on the table. Not one single Gazan stepped up. Let that sink in.

At the very least the civilians are guilty of aiding and abetting. At the very least.

And as I made the point earlier when countries don't attack Israel when countries don't attack Israel, Israel doesn't attack them. The simplest and easiest way not to get any of your civilians killed in collateral damage, is to not fucking attack Israel first. Simple.

I wouldn’t have offered info on hostages either, no matter how much I wanted to, the fear of Hamas would keep me quiet. You can’t presume all Gazans didn’t say anything because they didn’t care.

Stirabout · 29/04/2026 16:19

A lot of derailing on this thread and not one comment on the extension of
the death penalty ( the thread ) to the West Bank upthread

That’s quite a big deal isn’t it !!

and you know what
It’s happening
Now !!!
Not 70 years ago or a millenia
but now

Not up for discussion because it can’t be justified I guess

Stirabout · 29/04/2026 16:27

Emilesgran · 29/04/2026 16:16

They will if it’s treason against the state of Israel. Iran has killed hundreds for treason against Iran. Oddly enough they don’t have the death penalty for treason against other countries. Because that’s how laws on treason work.

RTFT and the news on this
Jewish Israelis won’t
They are tried in a civilian court
they will have a right to council in a civilian court
Punishments are not the same in a civilian court and do not stand at 93% guilty verdict as they do in a military court

It’s Israeli discrimination AGAIN

Emilesgran · 29/04/2026 16:33

LassiKopiano24 · 29/04/2026 16:17

I wouldn’t have offered info on hostages either, no matter how much I wanted to, the fear of Hamas would keep me quiet. You can’t presume all Gazans didn’t say anything because they didn’t care.

That’s true but there were also many civilians who actively took part in the Oct 7th attacks. I’m sure you’ve also seen the civilians spitting on the dead body of a German Israeli girl who was at the music concert and whose corpse was paraded in the back of a truck in Gaza.
Moreover, the reason the PA hasn’t held any elections in the West Bank for years is because support for Hamas is so strong there they knew they’d lose power.

So you can’t assume that people were just too afraid - many of them just support murdering Israeli civilians.

And not all Germans supported Hitler either - but that didn’t make the Allies wrong to attack Nazi Germany. Sadly, that’s what happens when a country is run by terrorists.

Emilesgran · 29/04/2026 16:34

Stirabout · 29/04/2026 16:27

RTFT and the news on this
Jewish Israelis won’t
They are tried in a civilian court
they will have a right to council in a civilian court
Punishments are not the same in a civilian court and do not stand at 93% guilty verdict as they do in a military court

It’s Israeli discrimination AGAIN

Israeli Arabs won’t be tried by a military court either though will they?
It’s about nationality, not ethnicity or religion.

Basically, foreigners accused of attacking Israel will be tried in a military court - because they aren’t citizens.

LassiKopiano24 · 29/04/2026 16:39

Emilesgran · 29/04/2026 16:33

That’s true but there were also many civilians who actively took part in the Oct 7th attacks. I’m sure you’ve also seen the civilians spitting on the dead body of a German Israeli girl who was at the music concert and whose corpse was paraded in the back of a truck in Gaza.
Moreover, the reason the PA hasn’t held any elections in the West Bank for years is because support for Hamas is so strong there they knew they’d lose power.

So you can’t assume that people were just too afraid - many of them just support murdering Israeli civilians.

And not all Germans supported Hitler either - but that didn’t make the Allies wrong to attack Nazi Germany. Sadly, that’s what happens when a country is run by terrorists.

Yes I am aware….. but my point still stands.

Some Gazan’s don’t give a shit about the hostages, some Israeli’s don’t give a shit about the Palestinians in the West Bank being ousted by “settlers”, but some Israeli’s do, I’m sure I can presume that.

Stirabout · 29/04/2026 17:07

Emilesgran · 29/04/2026 16:34

Israeli Arabs won’t be tried by a military court either though will they?
It’s about nationality, not ethnicity or religion.

Basically, foreigners accused of attacking Israel will be tried in a military court - because they aren’t citizens.

Edited

Yet all Jewish people have automatic Israeli citizenship under the 1950 Law of Return
This is not the case for other religions
The law discriminates on Palestinians ( esp in East Jerusalem,) with as many as 370,000 Arabs
It also now includes those in the West Bank. That’s not even Israel fgs!!!
Do these people not matter ?!
Are they irrelevant ?!

Its also important to note that the same Act can hold different punishments establishing, again, a two-tiered system where Palestinian ( or any non Jewish ) identity, rather than just actions, defines the jurisdiction.

So no
This is not an equal punishment for everyone !

Emilesgran · 29/04/2026 17:08

LassiKopiano24 · 29/04/2026 16:39

Yes I am aware….. but my point still stands.

Some Gazan’s don’t give a shit about the hostages, some Israeli’s don’t give a shit about the Palestinians in the West Bank being ousted by “settlers”, but some Israeli’s do, I’m sure I can presume that.

I’m sure that’s true but in that case your point is pointless - there’s no law that says a war can only be legal if 100% of the citizens affected all support it.

Civilians die in wars, and Israel’s attack in response to Hamas was legal even though it means Gazan civilians will also die. Hamas’ attack which preceded it was not legal though.

Those are the facts.

LassiKopiano24 · 29/04/2026 17:12

Emilesgran · 29/04/2026 17:08

I’m sure that’s true but in that case your point is pointless - there’s no law that says a war can only be legal if 100% of the citizens affected all support it.

Civilians die in wars, and Israel’s attack in response to Hamas was legal even though it means Gazan civilians will also die. Hamas’ attack which preceded it was not legal though.

Those are the facts.

sorry what are you on about 😂 I said to the original poster who I replied to that not all Gazans wouldn’t have helped the IDF with the hostages because they were too afraid of Hamas, not because they didn’t care.

What you have replied this time makes no sense to my point???

ETA Presuming you replied to the wrong person?

Boolabus · 29/04/2026 17:14

Emilesgran · 29/04/2026 17:08

I’m sure that’s true but in that case your point is pointless - there’s no law that says a war can only be legal if 100% of the citizens affected all support it.

Civilians die in wars, and Israel’s attack in response to Hamas was legal even though it means Gazan civilians will also die. Hamas’ attack which preceded it was not legal though.

Those are the facts.

Those are the facts

No they're not, they are your interpretation of things.

Hamas attack was an illegal terrorist attack. Israel's response was disproportionate, included multiple war crimes and genocidal actions. None of which are legal

Emilesgran · 29/04/2026 17:14

Stirabout · 29/04/2026 17:07

Yet all Jewish people have automatic Israeli citizenship under the 1950 Law of Return
This is not the case for other religions
The law discriminates on Palestinians ( esp in East Jerusalem,) with as many as 370,000 Arabs
It also now includes those in the West Bank. That’s not even Israel fgs!!!
Do these people not matter ?!
Are they irrelevant ?!

Its also important to note that the same Act can hold different punishments establishing, again, a two-tiered system where Palestinian ( or any non Jewish ) identity, rather than just actions, defines the jurisdiction.

So no
This is not an equal punishment for everyone !

Edited

I didn’t say it was an equal law for everyone. I said people with Israeli nationality, whatever their religion or ethnicity, if accused of treason against the state of Israel will be judged in civilian courts.

Foreigners - and that includes Palestinians who do not live in Israel, accused of the same crimes, will be judged in military courts.

I’m not saying that’s a good thing - IMO military courts are always dubious for people who are not members of the military - but it’s not “one law for Jews and another for Arabs”. That’s a lie and media outlets propagating that lie are pushing an agenda.

Stirabout · 29/04/2026 17:15

Emilesgran · 29/04/2026 16:34

Israeli Arabs won’t be tried by a military court either though will they?
It’s about nationality, not ethnicity or religion.

Basically, foreigners accused of attacking Israel will be tried in a military court - because they aren’t citizens.

Edited

Wow!
You are with the 70% of Israelis then it seems

I would never support a death penalty and even less so one that discriminates.

We are equal
Israelis are not special
That attitude breeds war

and here we are

Stirabout · 29/04/2026 17:18

Emilesgran · 29/04/2026 17:14

I didn’t say it was an equal law for everyone. I said people with Israeli nationality, whatever their religion or ethnicity, if accused of treason against the state of Israel will be judged in civilian courts.

Foreigners - and that includes Palestinians who do not live in Israel, accused of the same crimes, will be judged in military courts.

I’m not saying that’s a good thing - IMO military courts are always dubious for people who are not members of the military - but it’s not “one law for Jews and another for Arabs”. That’s a lie and media outlets propagating that lie are pushing an agenda.

Ah
so you are against the discriminatory nature of this law are you ?

You believe all those accused of treason should be treated equally
??