Israel votes for death penalty for Palestinians convicted of lethal attacks

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“Israel's far-right National Security Minister Itamar Ben-Gvir wore a noose pin on his lapel to signal his support for the bill”

I first heard about this on Facebook and thought it might be anti-Israel fake news. But no, it’s true.

Absolutely horrifying and sickening.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cp8dkd6lnjdo

Foreigners - and that includes Palestinians who do not live in Israel

Foreigners? So Palestinians in the West Bank and Gaza are foreigners? They are under illegal Israeli military occupation, they're not foreigners

The Israeli illegal settlers are the foreigners.
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Wonder what Israel will do to them

What are you talking about, that has literally no relevance to the point whatsoever.

No every Russian here is not escaping Putin. Some just live here and have done so since before the war. No excuse to target Russians, Iranians or Jewish people in the UK. But it’s the Jewish people who are being targeted the most statistically.

"Many Jews"? How do you know how many Jewish people in the UK support Netanyahu? And more importantly, why the fuck does it matter?

They could have have used less in discriminant methods? it is not acceptable to carpet bomb, to target medics, journalists, explaining away the deaths of entire families with a "there was a Hamas terrorist in the building"

& the Israelis are doing all over again in Lebanon, journalists, Medics, double tap bombings.... its far more than accidental....

Did the UK carpet bomb Belfast after the terrorist IRA tried and almost succeeded in killing our entire Govt? bombed central London, bombed Horse guards, pubs... killed 100s of our soldiers... the IRA also kidnapped tortured and executed.

We used special forces, back door negotiations, Policing, Intel and yes some shoot to kill methods where required or even when not but we tried to minimise the death toll.

Never said it should did i? so maybe read whats posted instead of losing it.

Losing it? Don't give yourself too much credit. 😂

It clearly matters enough for you to bring it up. And I'm still not sure how you found out the opinion of "many" Jewish people.

Currently I feel quite hopeless that the international community will make any significant intervention before thousands more Palestinians are quietly killed.
Rats are now everywhere in Gaza, aid is still withheld, settler terrorists ‘rogues’ are still running amok in the WB as the arm of the Israeli government, Palestinians are being rounded up, held without charge to be subjected to the most heinous crimes and now this - hanging of detainees without a trial. Another excuse to kill.
More and more Israelis are dissenting and I wonder whether this can only come from within. Either way - if the international community does take action first or the Israeli community slowly wakes up to the dehumanisation endured by Palestinians, the outcome for Palestinians is terrifying.
Reading this thread today has been so depressing. One poster doesn’t really care. Posters fixating on who started what yet again.
I have to remind myself that this is one small corner of the internet and I believe the majority of people irrespective of ethnicity or religion know that this is wrong and it needs to stop.

Yes often I have to step back from these threads for a few days, as when I come across indifference (or even blatant hatred), it can feel really depressing. But in real life I don’t know anyone who agrees with how Israel treats Palestinians, and that’s important.

That’s the problem when the other side use their own population as a shield to hide behind though.

I don’t know what exact methods you mean. Could you tell us what you mean exactly?

Anyway they didn’t carpet bomb “indiscriminately” because if they had done there would have far more deaths than there were. After all, don’t Hamas supporters tell us that Israel dropped more bombs than everything the Allies dropped in Europe, and the equivalent of 6 Hiroshimas. In one of the more densely populated areas in the world. Yet there were far fewer deaths in Gaza than in both those comparisons. So clearly they were trying to avoid killing civilians. Unlike the Americans in Hiroshima or the British in Dresden and Hamburg.

Oh and about Belfast: to make it comparable you’d have to have the IRA (or Sinn Fein) being elected to run Stormont and then, instead of running the province for the well-being of the people in Northern Ireland, choosing to make NI into a gigantic military camp dedicated to destroying the UK altogether. Actions would include years of sending rockets across the Irish Sea to bomb Wales and anyone else within reach, culminating in a deadly attack on Glastonbury and surrounding region, with
1750 British civilians taken hostage back to NI and 8400 murdered (equivalents counting an Israeli pop of 10 million and 70 million in the U.K.)

There has literally been nothing comparable done by the IRA - and the main reason why it wasn’t isnt because the IRA were nicer than Hamas, but because the nationalist population of NI just didn’t hate ordinary English people enough to accept that being done in their name.

Whenever children were killed in particular, it always led to a drop in support for the IRA among northern nationalists - even when those deaths were unintended, like the Warrington bombs or the boys killed when Mountbatten was murdered.

Completely agree Ellen. It's the same playbook trotted out again and again. It's 2 and a half years later and they are being repeated as nauseum. Any facts or events you post about and you are accused of hating Israel, yet blind allegiance to a country that's government is commiting the most horrendous atrocities is never questioned.

The point made is not that @Emilesgran would like more deaths (obviously) but simply that Israel could have caused more civilian deaths if that was their aim. Seeing as they "apparently dropped more bombs than everything the Allies dropped in Europe, and the equivalent of 6 Hiroshimas".

NI is not “very much like” Gaza because the IRA didn’t possess miles of tunnels that allowed them to appear unexpectedly to attack - that’s why the buildings were destroyed.

You want to have it both ways: to claim that the bombing was excessive AND that the death toll was excessive. Yet the bombing caused far fewer deaths than comparable levels in other wars, which means the IDF succeeded in keeping civilian deaths relatively low during a massive bombing raid.

So the only remaining objection is that the bombing was excessive - and since your comparison is to NI where (among other differences) there were no tunnels, that’s not a good comparison. You’d need to compare it to, eg Vietnam where the Viet Cong had tunnels. The civilian death toll in that war was enormous.

The poster knows very well that I wasn’t saying that I “wanted more deaths”. That’s a - rather poor - strategy to point-score in an argument, not an actual belief.

I know and it’s the same tactic anti Israel posters on these threads use over and over again. Demonise those who hold different opinions rather than attempting to debate properly with them.

It’s a stupid tactic & very obvious. Nevertheless occasionally I feel the need to call it out.

What a farcical comment from someone who routinely demonises posters criticising the abhorrent actions of the Israeli government as anti semitic.

Staggering hypocrisy.

There are no anti Israel posters . Just posters calling out atrocities.

I don't demonise individual posters or call them antisemitic (though sometimes I think they are antisemitic).

Prove me wrong if you think you can by pointing out where I have called a person antisemitic.

Yeah right.

Yes this, complete hypocrisy

Calling out the horrendous actions of a government does not make you anti that country .

Good argument though.

Why don't you join Ellen then by pointing out where I have called a person on MN antisemitic. I try to stay away from personal attacks.