Israel votes for death penalty for Palestinians convicted of lethal attacks

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“Israel's far-right National Security Minister Itamar Ben-Gvir wore a noose pin on his lapel to signal his support for the bill”

I first heard about this on Facebook and thought it might be anti-Israel fake news. But no, it’s true.

Absolutely horrifying and sickening.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cp8dkd6lnjdo

That’s a false equivalence though.
Yes the IDF can and should be condemned for any crimes they commit but they are not a terror group who murder even their own people for the smallest criticism.

The IDF are fundamentally defending Israeli citizens from deliberate targeting by Hamas (and the thousands of non Hamas Gazans who also took part on Oct 7th). That doesn’t excuse any crimes but there is no equivalence with Hamas or Hezbollah whose aim is to kill Jews and destroy Israel. In their own words.

It is not a false equivalence at all if you believe every life is of equal importance.

Do you really believe what the IDF is engaging in is defending Israeli citizens?

Why shouldn't there be some civilian deaths in Gaza (not all 80k are civilians), is it somehow immune from the ravages of war? Gaza started a war against Israel, and Israel retaliated, setting itself a goal to completely eradicate Hamas and the like.

When you have terrorists embedded within the civilian population, and their goal is to maximise civilian casualties, that goal will be achieved.

Unlike Gazans, Israel isn't targeting civilians. It targets militants, but collateral damage happens. When the Gazan government continues to fire missiles from amongst civilians, and absolutely refuses to provide any kind of shelter for them (despite having miles and miles of tunnels), civilian casualties are inevitable.

Do you expect Israel to just accept tens of thousands of missiles fired at their own civilian population without retaliation and without attempting to neutralise the threat? Would that be expected of any country?

Gaza had 18 years to get their shit together and focus on peaceful building rather than hateful warmongerimg. They refused, and are now suffering the consequences.

As sad as it is for the innocents in Gaza, their blood is in their own government and militias.

Not every life is of equal importance. We would kill an attempted murderer to save the potential victim. When you murder, even more so when you vow to continue murdering, your life becomes worthless.

I saw the most awful quote from a woman who had been gang raped by members of the IDF whilst in detention. Then because she was in detention she was obviously trapped with her rapists never knowing if they were going to attack her again. It's just appalling that this is happening and nobody in Israel is doing anything about it.

As sad as it is for the innocents in Gaza, their blood is in their own government and militias.

The law disagrees with you there. Under the Geneva convention and Hague regulations Israel has a duty to protect Palestinians from violence, including from its own forces,
ensure access to food, water, and medical care. Maintain law and order and avoid collective punishment or unnecessary destruction.

I don't think that there is any doubt that they have fallen short on their duties there. When they made the choice to become occupiers they also made the choice to take on all of the responsibilities that befall occupiers.

Israel claims it takes appropriate steps. I'm not there and I can adjudicate.

Though tbf I don't really care that much. When your government openly tries for years to murder as many civilians of the neighboring country as possible, expect retaliation.

And another point, while I'm absolutely not saying all Gazans are guilty, the fact remains that when the hostages were still there, Israel offered $5 million apiece, for information leading to the release of a hostage.

The hostages were very often kept and moved about civilian homes, yet not one single 'civilian' stepped up. So cry me a river when they're caught in the crossfire.

Ok, you have been clear, from what you have posted is it fair to assume that you believe there are no innocents in Gaza and their deaths are necessary to protect Israelis?

Though tbf I don't really care that much.
So why are you here?

So cry me a river when they're caught in the crossfire.
Nice. Your views are extreme and pretty offensive, I can only begin to imagine the push back if anyone would say this about innocent Israelis, thankfully I have not seen such disgusting views expressed about innocent Israeli civilians. I was naïve to think it was a given that most people do care about innocent lives lost.

Threads get diverted onto other topics all the time.
No that is not what is happening here, the conversation hasn't got diverted it has been an intentional derail.

still waiting to hear your answer in who you were referring to here?
They just have a special hatred for Israel and in some cases, Jews generally.

Pretty damning for all those IDF soldiers who have shot children and innocent civilians so.
A lot of worthless lives there according to your logic.

When your government openly tries for years to murder as many civilians of the neighboring country as possible, expect retaliation.

Oh the irony.

Hitler’s life was not of equal importance to, well pretty much anyone’s. And civilian deaths are an inevitable part of warfare - it’s illegal only when civilians are being deliberately targeted. You know, like Hamas did on Oct 7th.

Speaking of a 'special hatred' for certain people. I think this post really demonstrates what Palestinians are up against and is part of the reason why there hasn't been more action against Israel. This type of predujice runs deep and has been demonstrated more that once even on mumsnet. If for instance it were Israelis being held in detention by Palestinians and being gang raped it would be front page news, it would be ribbons and posters, it would be justification for mass slaughter.

People try and just talk about Palestinians being gang raped and you are asked what about Sudan and insinuations that because you care about people being held against their will and sexually assaulted by the people holding them captive you just hate Jews.

Glad you after that it is illegals when civilians are targeted , an IDF and Hamas specialty .

We have a lot more in common than you think.

An country's entire population and everyone around the world (including to majority of Jews) who believe it should exist are a death cult? How does that work?

@twiglets Plenty of people condemn Russia but any Russians in the UK are here escaping Putin, same with Iranians but many Jews here support Netanyahu and IDF actions.

We've a poster on here who clearly hates Palestinians for failing to step in against Hamas and stop the kidnapping.... what level of thought process is that?

But at this time, our thoughts will be with the Jewish community in Golders Green.

It is shameful on the UK that Jews living here are thinking of moving back to Israel.

Bullshit. I gave no hatred against anyone based on their race, colour or any other characteristic. I judge people by their actions or inactions.

When a pseudo state spent 18 years firing missiles at Israeli civilians, hoping to kill as many as possible, pardon me if my sympathy for them has run a bit dry.

And don't ignore the crucial point I made about not one single Gazan civilian offering information on the whereabouts of the hostages. Even when there was an offer of $5 million on the table. Not one single Gazan stepped up. Let that sink in.

At the very least the civilians are guilty of aiding and abetting. At the very least.

And as I made the point earlier when countries don't attack Israel when countries don't attack Israel, Israel doesn't attack them. The simplest and easiest way not to get any of your civilians killed in collateral damage, is to not fucking attack Israel first. Simple.

The difference is that when individual IDF soldiers do that, other Israelis who whistleblow or who protest about it aren’t beaten to death by the security forces.

That isn’t true about Iranians or Russians: there have been several cases of pretend refugees who were acting for their home country all that time. There are also the sons and daughters of top Iranian officials who are studying in the west and who make no secret of their support for the regime. So that’s not the explanation.

At the very least the civilians are guilty of aiding and abetting. At the very least.

All of 2million civillians in Gaza are guilty and you don't care if they are killed, yes we got that from your previous post. I'm not sure you that have to keep repeating it. You certainly arent alone with those thoughts.

https://truthout.org/articles/israeli-politician-says-children-of-gaza-have-brought-this-upon-themselves/

Remember too that doctors and journalists were holding Israelis captive in their homes. And we only know that because a couple of Israelis who survived were literally rescued from such a family home. With children present. Not even Nazi Germany was that evil - some Germans risked their lives to help Jews or escaped prisoners of war.

Yes agree their views are very transparent and entrenched. It's a waste of our time and energy responding to such deep rooted hate.

What’s your suggestion then for Israel after the genocidal attack on October 7th?

In international law they were allowed to attack Gaza to prevent Hamas from repeating the attack - as Hamas had promised to do. Hamas chose to refuse to let its own civilians shelter in the tunnels underneath Gaza, thus using Palestinians as shields for Hamas fighters.

So tell us: what do you think Israel should have done that would have removed Hamas from power without killing a single Gazan civilian?

Because I don’t know what that would be.