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Conflict in the Middle East

Let's face it Iran is indiscriminatly hitting Israeli civilians targets including schools using cluster bombs.....

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mids2019 · 22/03/2026 12:06

Iran is firing missiles into heavily populated Israeli towns and have abandoned the pretence of targeting anything military.....this is just pure terrorism and does make you think what would happen if Iran did manage to develop a nuclear weapon.

Just hoping more of the missile launch sites can be taken out and this terrorist regime falls.

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RedTagAlan · 01/04/2026 12:40

Twiglets1 · 01/04/2026 11:40

I think countries will pay if they have to.

But in the longer term - surely this will make the international community want to find alternatives to relying so heavily on the Straight.

Which could make it a bad move for Iran long - term, who knows.

Alternatives ?

Do you mean alternatives to oil ? I am sure Trump could be persuaded to get back onboard with the Paris Agreement. And uncancel all those green energy projects he forced to close down.

EasternStandard · 01/04/2026 13:03

RedTagAlan · 01/04/2026 12:40

Alternatives ?

Do you mean alternatives to oil ? I am sure Trump could be persuaded to get back onboard with the Paris Agreement. And uncancel all those green energy projects he forced to close down.

Is the US as exposed? They have more of their own supply maybe, and Venezuela could provide more again.

It’s those who will pay for passage and more reliant, I can’t really see the public being happy to hand millions to a brutal state like IRGC.

1.5m per passage that is, not sure how much that adds up to per year.

Alexandra2001 · 01/04/2026 13:04

RedTagAlan · 01/04/2026 12:40

Alternatives ?

Do you mean alternatives to oil ? I am sure Trump could be persuaded to get back onboard with the Paris Agreement. And uncancel all those green energy projects he forced to close down.

The only alternatives to Hormuz is over land pipe lines, which could be subject to attack by drone, bombing etc.

Perhaps it might be better not to start wars without any idea or knowledge of the countries you re attacking?

Of course the US is very exposed, petrol has doubled in price in there (in some states, trebled) despite producing their own oil, it is an international commodity, priced in USD.

I thought everyone knew this, apart from Kemi & Farage.

TopPocketFind · 01/04/2026 13:07

The US has already lifted sanctions on the purchase of Iranian oil at sea.

Twiglets1 · 01/04/2026 13:07

Alexandra2001 · 01/04/2026 12:28

Trump has said he wants to grab women by the pussy/leave NATO/blames Ukraine for the Russian invasion/say Zelenskyy is a block to peace/UK forces are cowards/then said they are hero's...

Sorry but whatever the argument you re attempting to make, quoting Trump makes you sound ridiculous

The man is unhinged.

No it doesn't make me sound ridiculous.

It makes you sound ridiculous to keep going on about it when I have already made it crystal clear (if it wasn't already) that I quoted Trump's actual words on his war goals because someone was wrongly saying that attacking terrorists wasn't a goal that had been mentioned before.

It's irrelevant whether we like Trump or not or whether he's a sexist shit. He is the President of the US so it's pointless people denying that the terrorist threat was one of the main reasons Israel and the US started a war with Iran when Trump literally gave that as a war goal at the beginning of the war.

RedTagAlan · 01/04/2026 13:17

EasternStandard · 01/04/2026 13:03

Is the US as exposed? They have more of their own supply maybe, and Venezuela could provide more again.

It’s those who will pay for passage and more reliant, I can’t really see the public being happy to hand millions to a brutal state like IRGC.

1.5m per passage that is, not sure how much that adds up to per year.

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The US is exposed. They still import a lot of oil from the Gulf. Not all crudes are the same as you know, and refineries are set up for specific types. And different crudes have different product yields/ different energy inputs to get them.

U.S. Imports from Persian Gulf Countries of Crude Oil (Thousand Barrels per Day) (eia.gov)

As for other countries paying Iran, not all countries will have to it appears. Some Chinese and Indian ships have passed through. Countries will most likely do their own deals. Especially as Iran wants paid in RMB, not USD.

And what public will not be happy ? The Chinese or Indian Public ? The Philippines Public.

U.S. Imports from Persian Gulf Countries of Crude Oil (Thousand Barrels per Day)

https://www.eia.gov/dnav/pet/hist/LeafHandler.ashx?n=PET&s=MCRIMUSPG2&f=A

TopPocketFind · 01/04/2026 13:18

Again, Trump has given many reasons/goals for starting his illegal war.

Nobody can say with certainty why he did it and what the main reason was.

Alexandra2001 · 01/04/2026 13:22

Twiglets1 · 01/04/2026 13:07

No it doesn't make me sound ridiculous.

It makes you sound ridiculous to keep going on about it when I have already made it crystal clear (if it wasn't already) that I quoted Trump's actual words on his war goals because someone was wrongly saying that attacking terrorists wasn't a goal that had been mentioned before.

It's irrelevant whether we like Trump or not or whether he's a sexist shit. He is the President of the US so it's pointless people denying that the terrorist threat was one of the main reasons Israel and the US started a war with Iran when Trump literally gave that as a war goal at the beginning of the war.

Sorry but in the kindest possible way, it does.

Trump is mad, he often doesn't even remember what he has said even hours earlier... eg Trump said UK forces hung back when there is fighting to be done, later, said UK forces finest in the world...

Now wants to leave NATO, by tomo will forget this and by the time he sees King Charles, the UK will once again be the USA's closest of close allies.....

Quote Rubio or Vance? i don't always agree with them but they are not mad/insane/have dementia.

This is a war he started, to show (imho) how powerful the US is, now its spiralled out of control and he doesn't know how to shut it down, the NATO thing is looking for scapgoats.

Twiglets1 · 01/04/2026 13:30

Kassamungo · 01/04/2026 12:17

ok - so I’ll ask - do you think it’s ok for one country to have secret nuclear weapons that they don’t allow to be inspected? And then to attack and bomb another country who does not have nuclear weapons killing over 3,400 of that county’s citizens (to date)?

Israel has done significantly more than a “bit of chanting” and are conservatively estimated to be responsible for at least 250,000 deaths (Palestinian, Lebanese, Iranian among others) since the founding of the state. The death tolls continue to rise daily at present. Israel has attacked/conducted military operations against the following countries since its founding; Palestine, Egypt, Jordan, Syria, Lebanon, Iraq, Yemen, Sudan, Morocco, Tunisia and Iran.

No I don't think it's ok for any country to have secret nuclear weapons that they don't allow to be inspected (including Israel if they have them).

War is never a positive thing so I would far rather these countries not be at war. However, I do agree with the many world leaders who have stated that Iran must never be allowed to develop a nuclear weapon.

I expect you know that the Iranian regime killed more of their own civilians in a few days than the figure of "over 3,400" that you mention have been killed in a war with the US & Israel over several weeks?

EasternStandard · 01/04/2026 13:30

RedTagAlan · 01/04/2026 13:17

The US is exposed. They still import a lot of oil from the Gulf. Not all crudes are the same as you know, and refineries are set up for specific types. And different crudes have different product yields/ different energy inputs to get them.

U.S. Imports from Persian Gulf Countries of Crude Oil (Thousand Barrels per Day) (eia.gov)

As for other countries paying Iran, not all countries will have to it appears. Some Chinese and Indian ships have passed through. Countries will most likely do their own deals. Especially as Iran wants paid in RMB, not USD.

And what public will not be happy ? The Chinese or Indian Public ? The Philippines Public.

Ik about the payment thing, so I mean those who do have to pay. Politicians who have stayed out and felt ok will likely feel it from the electorate when charges get added.

1dayatatime · 01/04/2026 13:34

Notonthestairs · 01/04/2026 12:07

So the war means we will have to pay to use the Strait.
Was that one of the objectives?

Not one of the objectives but one of the consequences.

It also sets an interesting precedent- if Iran can charge a ransom for the right to passage through the Straits of Hormuz, then why shouldn't Morocco charge for passage through the Straits of Gibraltar (it's not as though Spain would do anything about it) or Malaysia or Indonesia on the Straits of Malacca- hey the UK could even think about the Dover straits 😀.

FernandoSor · 01/04/2026 13:37

RedTagAlan · 01/04/2026 13:17

The US is exposed. They still import a lot of oil from the Gulf. Not all crudes are the same as you know, and refineries are set up for specific types. And different crudes have different product yields/ different energy inputs to get them.

U.S. Imports from Persian Gulf Countries of Crude Oil (Thousand Barrels per Day) (eia.gov)

As for other countries paying Iran, not all countries will have to it appears. Some Chinese and Indian ships have passed through. Countries will most likely do their own deals. Especially as Iran wants paid in RMB, not USD.

And what public will not be happy ? The Chinese or Indian Public ? The Philippines Public.

THe irony that the US, the world's biggest exporter of oil, actually imports way more oil from the Gulf than the UK does.

EasternStandard · 01/04/2026 13:39

FernandoSor · 01/04/2026 13:37

THe irony that the US, the world's biggest exporter of oil, actually imports way more oil from the Gulf than the UK does.

Why would that be irony? It’s far bigger than the U.K. for a start and it’s not all the same stuff.

A lot of what it uses comes from Canada and Venezuela will come back to where it was presumably.

1dayatatime · 01/04/2026 13:41

TopPocketFind · 01/04/2026 12:12

Their leadership and senior figures have already been replaced, nothing has changed for the Iranian people in that respect.

Less weapons? For now.

Meanwhile the rest of the world is struggling with this war Trump has inflicted on us

Well different parts of the world are struggling to different degrees. Asia has been particularly hard hit by the war then Europe. Meanwhile the US and Russia are still net exporters of oil, so they are doing alright.

I think what it does show is that years of low defence spending by Europe is coming back to bite them.

FernandoSor · 01/04/2026 13:42

EasternStandard · 01/04/2026 13:39

Why would that be irony? It’s far bigger than the U.K. for a start and it’s not all the same stuff.

A lot of what it uses comes from Canada and Venezuela will come back to where it was presumably.

The irony is that Trump is ranting at us that we should "get our own oil". When they import 246M barrels a year from the region and we import 2.7M.

TopPocketFind · 01/04/2026 13:47

1dayatatime · 01/04/2026 13:41

Well different parts of the world are struggling to different degrees. Asia has been particularly hard hit by the war then Europe. Meanwhile the US and Russia are still net exporters of oil, so they are doing alright.

I think what it does show is that years of low defence spending by Europe is coming back to bite them.

Silver lining that it is pushing the UK closer to the EU and sustainable energy sources.

RedTagAlan · 01/04/2026 13:50

1dayatatime · 01/04/2026 13:34

Not one of the objectives but one of the consequences.

It also sets an interesting precedent- if Iran can charge a ransom for the right to passage through the Straits of Hormuz, then why shouldn't Morocco charge for passage through the Straits of Gibraltar (it's not as though Spain would do anything about it) or Malaysia or Indonesia on the Straits of Malacca- hey the UK could even think about the Dover straits 😀.

It really depends on who has ratified UNCLOS. The UN law of the sea. Of the very few countries in the world who have not ratified it are Iran and.... the USA.

Quick check and Morocco have ratified it and so are bound by it.

Twiglets1 · 01/04/2026 13:53

Alexandra2001 · 01/04/2026 13:22

Sorry but in the kindest possible way, it does.

Trump is mad, he often doesn't even remember what he has said even hours earlier... eg Trump said UK forces hung back when there is fighting to be done, later, said UK forces finest in the world...

Now wants to leave NATO, by tomo will forget this and by the time he sees King Charles, the UK will once again be the USA's closest of close allies.....

Quote Rubio or Vance? i don't always agree with them but they are not mad/insane/have dementia.

This is a war he started, to show (imho) how powerful the US is, now its spiralled out of control and he doesn't know how to shut it down, the NATO thing is looking for scapgoats.

Even if Trump is mad or has dementia so you can't trust what he says in speeches, official releases coming out of the White House at the beginning of the war also put in writing that the goals included degrading Iran's proxy terror networks. An official release from the White House on March 1st describes the aims of the war as:

to eliminate the imminent nuclear threat posed by the Iranian regime, destroy its ballistic missile arsenal, degrade its proxy terror networks, and cripple its naval forces. This operation, executed in partnership with regional allies, follows exhaustive diplomatic efforts and comes after 47 years of Iranian aggression — including attacks on U.S. citizens, sponsorship of global terrorism, and brutal oppression of its own people.

www.whitehouse.gov/releases/2026/03/peace-through-strength-president-trump-launches-operation-epic-fury-to-crush-iranian-regime-end-nuclear-threat/

Alexandra2001 · 01/04/2026 13:53

1dayatatime · 01/04/2026 13:41

Well different parts of the world are struggling to different degrees. Asia has been particularly hard hit by the war then Europe. Meanwhile the US and Russia are still net exporters of oil, so they are doing alright.

I think what it does show is that years of low defence spending by Europe is coming back to bite them.

US isn't doing alright, their fuel costs have double plus some, markets down too.

On defence, yes you re correct, Europe needs to pull away from the USA and fast too, no guarantees Trump is a "one off" or that the Democrats will win & resume "normal" service in 2028.

Labour still seem to be hanging onto this idea Trump wont leave NATO and would come to Europes aid, even if they stayed, Trump is all about helping Putin.

TopPocketFind · 01/04/2026 13:58

The White House is Trump's propaganda vessel

Remember the fake news post?

RedTagAlan · 01/04/2026 13:59

EasternStandard · 01/04/2026 13:39

Why would that be irony? It’s far bigger than the U.K. for a start and it’s not all the same stuff.

A lot of what it uses comes from Canada and Venezuela will come back to where it was presumably.

What do you mean come back to where it was ?

The Canadian Sand tar was exploited to replace the VZ crude supply that was lost when Chavez done his oil nationalization thing. That is why the Canadian tar is piped down to the US gulf coast. Because that is where the refineries were built to handle the VZ stuff. And VZ and Canadian are similar. US oil is totally different, and Gulf oil different again.

The US does not buy Gulf oil as a favour. It's because it needs it.

EasternStandard · 01/04/2026 14:00

RedTagAlan · 01/04/2026 13:50

It really depends on who has ratified UNCLOS. The UN law of the sea. Of the very few countries in the world who have not ratified it are Iran and.... the USA.

Quick check and Morocco have ratified it and so are bound by it.

Everyone else bar the exempt shouldn’t just roll over on this.

Twiglets1 · 01/04/2026 14:00

Alexandra2001 · 01/04/2026 13:53

US isn't doing alright, their fuel costs have double plus some, markets down too.

On defence, yes you re correct, Europe needs to pull away from the USA and fast too, no guarantees Trump is a "one off" or that the Democrats will win & resume "normal" service in 2028.

Labour still seem to be hanging onto this idea Trump wont leave NATO and would come to Europes aid, even if they stayed, Trump is all about helping Putin.

well according to you Trump has dementia and often can't remember what he said a few hours ago so presumably he could forget he ever threatened to leave NATO?

Notonthestairs · 01/04/2026 14:01

EasternStandard · 01/04/2026 14:00

Everyone else bar the exempt shouldn’t just roll over on this.

Are you suggesting the UK should intervene militarily to fix the (predicted) outcome of the war?

TopPocketFind · 01/04/2026 14:03

Trump could say today that the US has left NATO and pretend it never happened tomorrow

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