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Conflict in the Middle East

Let's face it Iran is indiscriminatly hitting Israeli civilians targets including schools using cluster bombs.....

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mids2019 · 22/03/2026 12:06

Iran is firing missiles into heavily populated Israeli towns and have abandoned the pretence of targeting anything military.....this is just pure terrorism and does make you think what would happen if Iran did manage to develop a nuclear weapon.

Just hoping more of the missile launch sites can be taken out and this terrorist regime falls.

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EasternStandard · 30/03/2026 11:01

RedTagAlan · 30/03/2026 10:55

Allow me to use all caps...

IF IT IS AN UNCERAINTY THEN WHY STATE IT AS FACT !

I would actually go so far as to say it's not an uncertainty, it's plain untrue. In terms of the world outside of Israel anyway.

And it's not a case of enjoying anything. It's about debunking. Describing Iranians as wanting to do terror on the whole world more than likely puts Iranian refugees at risk. And I am sure there is nobody here against asylum for Iranians.

It’s not ‘plain untrue’, that can’t be said. Yes it’s uncertain and perhaps everyone will disclaimer who they think the biggest exporter of terror is with an imo

In fact your ‘plain untrue’ is just as certain as the opposite. So that can’t stand either.

As for the bolded part if I could give refuge to a woman or girl who was about to have acid thrown in her face, raped until near death or eyes or other bodily parts gouged out then yes I’ll put the kettle on rn, she can sit at my table.

Even better the leaders responsible for it are gone and she gets to enjoy the freedom she wants in Iran. I just saw a very moving video from an Iranian photojournalist explaining what she and others have endured, it’s horrendous.

rainingsnoring · 30/03/2026 11:53

TopPocketFind · 30/03/2026 10:36

I does make you wonder why people are not more welcoming to those fleeing the IRCG and seeking asylum in the UK

Because people are not very bright and there is a severe lack of joined up thinking. The same people cheering on this war (often, but not always right wing) are often the very same people who are the most anti immigration (right wing).

rainingsnoring · 30/03/2026 11:58

RedTagAlan · 30/03/2026 09:47

That's not how it works really. This is Hitchens Razor territory.

Not many scientists on here!

rainingsnoring · 30/03/2026 12:00

EasternStandard · 30/03/2026 09:51

It is, it’s a forum the pp has an opinion. You’ve been a bit much on it with the repeated flat earther name calling etc but no one can prove either way.

Although IRGC as the top exporter of terrorism and a deadly instrument of domestic repressions is pretty good as a description and since no one on here supports them, we can all agree on it.

That makes absolutely no sense @EasternStandard.

EasternStandard · 30/03/2026 12:01

rainingsnoring · 30/03/2026 12:00

That makes absolutely no sense @EasternStandard.

In what way? What’s the problem for you

EasternStandard · 30/03/2026 12:02

rainingsnoring · 30/03/2026 11:53

Because people are not very bright and there is a severe lack of joined up thinking. The same people cheering on this war (often, but not always right wing) are often the very same people who are the most anti immigration (right wing).

This kind of stuff just glosses past the brutality of 47 years.

Notonthestairs · 30/03/2026 12:06

It's highlighting the likely impact of the war - an increase of violence in Iran as the regime attempts to tighten its grip, followed by a humanitarian crisis, followed by a greater surge of people crossing into Europe.

rainingsnoring · 30/03/2026 12:08

BelleHathor · 30/03/2026 09:51

Pertinent questions,

Maloney's bio : Maloney previously served as an external advisor to senior State Department officials on long-term issues related to Iran. Before joining Brookings, she served on the secretary of state's policy planning staff, as Middle East advisor for ExxonMobil Corporation, and director of the 2004 Council on Foreign Relations Task Force on U.S. policy toward Iran, chaired by former National Security Advisor Zbigniew Brzezinski and Defense Secretary Robert Gates.
https://www.wilsoncenter.org/person/suzanne-maloney

The ExxonMobil position is interesting, Big Oil, many of whom lobbied for the Iraq war in 2003 (remember Cheney and Halliburton) has been lobbying for similar change in Iran, there are a lot of opportunities to be "exploited". Iraq was a goldmine for some of these companies at the expense of Iraqis.

All think tanks serve the aims of whomever funds them, none are truly neutral. Remember the Brookings Institute authored the 2009 paper "Which path to Persia" of which Maloney was a contributer:

https://www.brookings.edu/articles/which-path-to-persia-options-for-a-new-american-strategy-toward-iran/

'All think tanks serve the aims of whomever funds them'

This 100%.
I was just googling their funding. Lots of funding from Western/Western allied governments, including Qatar, US government grants and people such as the Bill Gates. What a surprise! Also unsurprising that Maloney goes from working for a massive oil company to working for a think tank that tends to follow Big Oil's preferences. I wonder how she managed to get the job.

Stirabout · 30/03/2026 12:09

rainingsnoring · 30/03/2026 11:53

Because people are not very bright and there is a severe lack of joined up thinking. The same people cheering on this war (often, but not always right wing) are often the very same people who are the most anti immigration (right wing).

Quite right
and a pp stating as none of us on here support the IRGC on here we can therefore all agree the incorrect statement being discussed is therefore fine to stand feeds into that hate.
and no. The poster has not proved the remark as accurate even once.
If a post is called out as Inaccurate why not admit that.
Why not take it down
Better to not feed the hate

rainingsnoring · 30/03/2026 12:09

EasternStandard · 30/03/2026 12:02

This kind of stuff just glosses past the brutality of 47 years.

You have completely missed the point yet again. I'm not sure if you do it deliberately or if you genuinely misunderstand repeatedly.

EasternStandard · 30/03/2026 12:10

Stirabout · 30/03/2026 12:09

Quite right
and a pp stating as none of us on here support the IRGC on here we can therefore all agree the incorrect statement being discussed is therefore fine to stand feeds into that hate.
and no. The poster has not proved the remark as accurate even once.
If a post is called out as Inaccurate why not admit that.
Why not take it down
Better to not feed the hate

Which statement are you referring to?

EasternStandard · 30/03/2026 12:10

rainingsnoring · 30/03/2026 12:09

You have completely missed the point yet again. I'm not sure if you do it deliberately or if you genuinely misunderstand repeatedly.

Same to you.

rainingsnoring · 30/03/2026 12:13

EasternStandard · 30/03/2026 12:02

This kind of stuff just glosses past the brutality of 47 years.

This kind of stuff just glosses past the brutality of the Israelis in Gaza.

See what I did there?

Stirabout · 30/03/2026 12:14

Notonthestairs · 30/03/2026 12:06

It's highlighting the likely impact of the war - an increase of violence in Iran as the regime attempts to tighten its grip, followed by a humanitarian crisis, followed by a greater surge of people crossing into Europe.

Any greater surge of people crossing into Europe will be down to the US and Israel bombing them.
The humanitarian impact of that is already clear to see.

Stirabout · 30/03/2026 12:18

EasternStandard · 30/03/2026 12:10

Which statement are you referring to?

Today RTT

EasternStandard · 30/03/2026 12:19

Stirabout · 30/03/2026 12:18

Today RTT

Yes there’s a few. Most agree on major sponsors of terrorism if not the biggest.

Plus the top exporter line.. hard to argue against.

rainingsnoring · 30/03/2026 12:23

Stirabout · 30/03/2026 12:14

Any greater surge of people crossing into Europe will be down to the US and Israel bombing them.
The humanitarian impact of that is already clear to see.

Exactly. It's tragic.

Stirabout · 30/03/2026 12:35

EasternStandard · 30/03/2026 12:19

Yes there’s a few. Most agree on major sponsors of terrorism if not the biggest.

Plus the top exporter line.. hard to argue against.

Edited

This doesn’t reflect what I said in my post at all.

EasternStandard · 30/03/2026 12:37

Stirabout · 30/03/2026 12:35

This doesn’t reflect what I said in my post at all.

Because no one has said what is in your post.

RedTagAlan · 30/03/2026 12:42

rainingsnoring · 30/03/2026 11:58

Not many scientists on here!

But Hitchens Razor is not......

Ahhh. I see :-)

RedTagAlan · 30/03/2026 12:54

rainingsnoring · 30/03/2026 12:08

'All think tanks serve the aims of whomever funds them'

This 100%.
I was just googling their funding. Lots of funding from Western/Western allied governments, including Qatar, US government grants and people such as the Bill Gates. What a surprise! Also unsurprising that Maloney goes from working for a massive oil company to working for a think tank that tends to follow Big Oil's preferences. I wonder how she managed to get the job.

Yeah, straight to funding for me too. I ain't that keen on them in general. And if there are so many people being paid to think about this stuff, why does stuff like this keep happening ? But hey, there are some that do well researched articles.

Stirabout · 30/03/2026 13:08

EasternStandard · 30/03/2026 12:37

Because no one has said what is in your post.

Yes they have
suggest again
RTT
im posting based on past comments. I can’t be answerable if you can’t see them I’m afraid.

EasternStandard · 30/03/2026 13:08

Stirabout · 30/03/2026 13:08

Yes they have
suggest again
RTT
im posting based on past comments. I can’t be answerable if you can’t see them I’m afraid.

I know the past posts it’s been going on for some time, your post doesn’t reflect what was said.

Stirabout · 30/03/2026 13:15

EasternStandard · 30/03/2026 13:08

I know the past posts it’s been going on for some time, your post doesn’t reflect what was said.

I’m not going around in circles here Eastern
If you cant see it that’s not my concern or responsibility because it’s not like the posts referred to were that long ago
If I was, however, referring to something posted days ago I’d happily paste it for you to help.

EasternStandard · 30/03/2026 13:21

Stirabout · 30/03/2026 13:15

I’m not going around in circles here Eastern
If you cant see it that’s not my concern or responsibility because it’s not like the posts referred to were that long ago
If I was, however, referring to something posted days ago I’d happily paste it for you to help.

Edited

Having been part of the discussion I can see what you posted didn’t match what anyone else was saying.

As for not going round in circles and moving on from the biggest / major discussion I don’t see why everyone can’t agree on the IRGC being brutal and exporters of terror. That’s enough to base a discussion on and it can move forward.

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