Should the international community sanction Israel over settler violence in West Bank?

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The problem of Israeli terrorism is getting worse and worse. Just over the past few weeks amongst other things Israeli terrorists have killed multiple people, commited sexual assault, beaten and threatened to rape young Palestinian girls, continually attacked the residents and property of the only remaining fully Christian town in the West Bank, stolen 100s of sheep from the Bedouin community, beaten activists who are there to provide a protective presence to Palestinians, set fire to property.

Palestinians don't have the right to defend themselves from this violent, rapidly escalating Israeli terrorism. They can't arrest and detain the Israeli terrorists. They are sitting ducks with no means of protecting themselves from beatings and sexual violence. Is it time that the international community steps in and sanctions Israel until they can control their obvious terrorism problem? What else can be done to try and protect innocent people from this escalating Israeli violence?

Except look up UK sanctions and restrictions against Syria for example and you will see that 'the Jews' as you so nicely call Israel wouldn't be singled out.

There is a formal sanctions regime against Syria, financial systems restrictions, a strict arms and dual use controls. Trade restrictions were eased last year but there are still limits on exports/imports.

Those f'ew kms of rock and shrub' are populated by millions of people, it's their home and Israel are currently, actively violently cleansing it village by village of all non Jewish people. It's not a land without people.

Excellent post.

A very good answer - thank you.

I still think the Israelis are being unfairly singled out. Arab Muslims (mostly) have been trying to wipe them out for well over a thousand years. Many seem to ignore this very important piece of context.

Er, Israel was only founded in 1948. It hasn't existed for thousands of years!
During this short time, Israel has murdered far more Muslims in multiple surrounding countries than the number of Israelis who have been murdered by various groups.
They are singled out for special treatment, not the reverse, a point which has been made by several other posters already.

Has Israel been attacking Muslims in general? Or those that are a threat to them?

Have Hamas, Hezbollah etc and various proscribed Islamist groups been attacking Jews in general, or those that are a threat to them?

This thread is about the West Bank and yes, absolutely Israeli settlers with the help of the IDF and the Israeli government are targeting non Jews in general, not just Muslims they are also attacking the only entirely Christian viallge in the West Bank in an attempt to drive them out.

I totally agree on the West Bank situation.

My question was in reference to the previous post saying this-

"During this short time, Israel has murdered far more Muslims in multiple surrounding countries than the number of Israelis who have been murdered by various groups.
They are singled out for special treatment, not the reverse, a point which has been made by several other posters already."

If people would rather focus entirely on the WB then of course please ignore me.

Is it the promised land?

Most would say that they have been attacking Muslims in the surrounding countries in general, judging by the number of civilian deaths and multiple, well documented reports, including video footage of the IDF deliberately targetting civilians, and even medical aid and food supplies for those civilians.
You seem to be conflating Jews with Israel in your second paragraph.
There are many Jews worldwide who are appalled by the actions of the Israeli government.

I would say Israel has been attacking the groups that pose a direct threat to them. Hezbollah, Hamas etc. Innocent people have been killed as a result of these attacks, but those innocent people were not the intended targets.

Wheras with the escalating violence in the WB, innocent people are the intended victims. Its unconscionable. As is the absolute non response from government.

And the point I was making in my second paragraph is that Hamas, Hezbollah, the Islamist groups we proscribe here in the uk are targeting only uninvolved civilians.

Much like the settlers.

I'm not really sure what to make of your last bits so I'll ignore them.

So no, Israel has not been attacking Muslims in general in the surrounding countries. Only its enemies.

However, in the WB it is indeed attacking Muslims / Palestinians in general. Thats why its such an absolute stain on Israel in general.

I'm broadly in agreement with the general tone of the thread but was just wanting to push back on the specific claim that Israel is targeting Muslims in general in surrounding countries. While agreeing thats exactly what it is doing in the WB.

Correct, even before the creation of the Modern State of Israel im 1948, various Jewish terrorist groups like the Haganah and Irgun carried out terrorist acts like the bombing of the King David Hotel.

After 1948 some of these groups were incorporated into the IDF and official government policy was to interfere/destabilise surrounding countries via state sanctioned terrorism like the Lavon Affair in Egypt, which "was a failed Israeli covert "false-flag" operation in Egypt. Israeli intelligence agents planted bombs in Egyptian, American, and British-owned facilities in Cairo and Alexandria to blame local nationalists or the Muslim Brotherhood, aiming to sour Western-Egyptian relations and prevent British troop withdrawals."

A good book on this is "Israel's Sacred Terrorism":

• The book is primarily based on the personal diary of Moshe Sharett, Israel's first foreign minister (1948–1956) and prime minister (1954–1955).
• Rokach argues that the Israeli political and military establishment, led by David Ben-Gurion, deliberately utilized "terrorism" (acts of violence) as a tool to provoke Arab states and reshape the region.
• "Sacred Terrorism" Thesis: According to Rokach’s interpretation of the diaries, this policy was termed "sacred terrorism" or "unholy terrorism" because it was designed to create an aura of "security needs" or a "threat to existence" to justify military expansion and control of Palestinian territories.

The full book is worth a read and it's worth noting that Israeli government tried to prevent publication.
https://msuweb.montclair.edu/~furrg/essays/rokach.html

Would just point out that Iran is responsible for way way way more muslim deaths than Israel is yet we have people in london flying the IRCG flag and crying because that old bastard is dead (looking at you mothin ali you shit stain) a regime that made it legal to literally marry a 9yr old. Yet our resident tankies and islamists march FOR them. Difference between thinking war with iran is a bad idea and actively supporting this disgusting regime.

Those people terrorising Palestinians in the west bank need to be in prison, absolutely no doubt in my mind, and people on Israeli tv are calling for this. Hamas should all be in prison. Hezbollah should have observed the ceasefire agreement instead of doubling down and provoking a war (yes if you fire at a country they may very well come into your country and do their best to obliterate you).

What I found interesting in the last few days was how many israelis condemned the settlers without reservation yet there are still people on mumsnet who struggle to condemn hamas rapists and murderers.

Its interesting to me that there are a few posters on this thread who often pop up on threads defending the Iranian regime, despite the absolute disregard the regime has shown and continues to show for Muslim life within its own borders.
But same posters are the first to post about the disregard Israel is showing for Muslim lives in the WB.
Both are awful.
But the unifying ideology between these two positions.... escapes me.

@dairydebris @Bringemout who on this thread have demonstrated support for the Iranian regime? and struggle to condemn hamas rapists and murderers?

I don't know where the assertion in your first sentence comes from. Have you any evidence to back that up?
I haven't seen a single person on any of these threads who supports the IRGC, nor anyone who has struggled to condemn hamas murders.
I have seen every excuse under the sun in defence of the Israelis and US though. There was an awful thread on here after the attack on the school, murdering 160+ school girls. There were so many people making excuses on that thread and telling everyone it was an Iranian missile. That was truly shocking.

I can well believe that. It fits with their Zionist principles, after all. Some Israelis, including the current government, genuinely believe that the land belongs to them. It's ironic that they call the Iranians religious fanatics.

Settler terrorism is not separate from Israel’s ideology - it is an arm of the state, backed and funded by it. Ben Gvir and Smotrich were sanctioned last year because they were "responsible for inciting settler violence" in the West Bank which has "led to the deaths of Palestinian civilians and the displacement of whole towns and villages".
Their calls for the ‘cleansing’ of Palestinians have been documented.

Supporters of Israel’s actions on these threads seem to believe that settler terrorism is an aberration but the settlers are not rogues behaving independently from the state - they are the foot soldiers.

BG and S are not Israel. They are the racist supremacist wing of Jewish ethnicity. In the same way I would not throw every Palestinian under the bus along with Hamas, I would urge others to do the same with Israelis.
There are many Israelis who wholeheartedly condemn the violence in the WB.
Lets hope one of those comes into power later on this year, and a corner can be turned.

Completely agree with this @dairydebris

Re the thread about the girls school that got bombed, it is a lie to say that there were "lots of people telling everyone" it was an Iranian missile.

There were people saying we didn't know which country was responsible for the missile and that it could have been an Iranian missile. Others suggested it could have been a US one or an Israeli one, but no one knew any details as it had just happened.

To the best of my knowledge we still don't. Though the most likely country is the US and that is the country I believe to be responsible.

I don't normally choose to engage with this poster but this untruth couldn't go unchallenged.

I definitely read multiple posts confidently asserting that it was an Iranian missile that killed the school children. We do know who did it though don’t we? The only country in this war that has Tomahawk missiles.

Really disappointed to come back to this thread and see that it's been derailed with buts and whatabouts. It's sad that there can't be a thread where everyone just agrees that terrorising innocent people who have no way at all to defend themselves by the design of Israeli government is wrong. And that seeing as they can't defend themselves and Israel are accelerating their terrorism and ethnic cleansing something should be done by the International community to protect the people being terrorised.

Let's all just sit back and hope Israelis vote better next time, in the mean time Palestinians can suck it up, be sexually assaulted, beaten, detained, killed and forcibly removed from their homes by religious extremists determined to cleanse the land.

Provide links then to the multiple posts confidently asserting that it was an Iranian missile from that thread then. Posts just giving the opinion that it could be an Iranian missile not allowed.

(you won't be able to, they don't exist).

I am upset and annoyed and saddened about how difficult it is to find out what is happening to Palestinians at the moment. But it sounds like attacks and death are regular

with medical facilities often targeted

Literally everyone on this thread has agreed that terrorizing innocent people who have no way to defend themselves is indeed wrong. Literally everyone. Its indefensible. Everyone here agrees with you.