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Conflict in the Middle East

4 countries to boycott Eurovision due to Israel’s continued inclusion

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Everexpanding · 04/12/2025 19:18

In a statement released on Thursday afternoon, the Dutch broadcaster Avrotros said it would also withdraw from next year’s contest. “After weighing all perspectives, Avrotros concludes that, under the current circumstances, participation cannot be reconciled with the public values that are fundamental to our organisation.”

The Slovenian national broadcaster, RTVSLO – the first to threaten a boycott this summer – said participation “would conflict with its values of peace, equality and respect”.

Spain’s culture minister, Ernest Urtasun, backed the decision, adding: “You can’t whitewash Israel given the genocide in Gaza. Culture should be on the side of peace and justice. I’m proud of an RTVE that puts human rights before any economic interest

RTÉ feels that Ireland’s participation remains unconscionable given the appalling loss of lives in Gaza and the humanitarian crisis there which continues to put the lives of so many civilians at risk,” the broadcaster said in a statement.

https://www.theguardian.com/tv-and-radio/2025/dec/04/ireland-spain-and-the-netherlands-to-boycott-eurovision-2026-as-israel-cleared-to-compete

Four countries to boycott Eurovision 2026 as Israel cleared to compete

Ireland, Spain, Slovenia and the Netherlands pull out after decision not to hold vote on Israel’s participation

https://www.theguardian.com/tv-and-radio/2025/dec/04/ireland-spain-and-the-netherlands-to-boycott-eurovision-2026-as-israel-cleared-to-compete

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SisterTeatime · 05/12/2025 16:32

belleager · 05/12/2025 16:21

Spain and Spanish people have as much standing as any other state to comment on and react to Israel's actions. Just as Britain and British people, despite our history, may comment on and react to Ireland's actions, as we see on this thread. We don't expiate the sins of our fathers by refusing ever again to engage in ethical problems.

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One person’s ethical problem is another’s antisemitic virtue-signalling.

Spain only let Jews back into the country just over 150 years ago.

I’m as entitled to my opinion about engagement with ethical problems and historical wrongdoing as the next poster.

SameOldHill · 05/12/2025 16:36

SisterTeatime · 05/12/2025 16:32

One person’s ethical problem is another’s antisemitic virtue-signalling.

Spain only let Jews back into the country just over 150 years ago.

I’m as entitled to my opinion about engagement with ethical problems and historical wrongdoing as the next poster.

Actually Spain acted well in 2015, allowing descendants of Sephardic Jews expelled during the inquisition to fast track Spanish citizenship.

That’s not an anti-Semitic move at all but rather one of reparations.

SharonEllis · 05/12/2025 16:41

SameOldHill · 05/12/2025 16:36

Actually Spain acted well in 2015, allowing descendants of Sephardic Jews expelled during the inquisition to fast track Spanish citizenship.

That’s not an anti-Semitic move at all but rather one of reparations.

And look what they have come back to! No wonder Israel is so important to Jews worldwide.

jasflowers · 05/12/2025 16:41

SisterTeatime · 05/12/2025 16:32

One person’s ethical problem is another’s antisemitic virtue-signalling.

Spain only let Jews back into the country just over 150 years ago.

I’m as entitled to my opinion about engagement with ethical problems and historical wrongdoing as the next poster.

If the bar is 150years and how countries have treated Jews since, its going to be a very meagre field for EV.

SisterTeatime · 05/12/2025 16:43

SameOldHill · 05/12/2025 16:36

Actually Spain acted well in 2015, allowing descendants of Sephardic Jews expelled during the inquisition to fast track Spanish citizenship.

That’s not an anti-Semitic move at all but rather one of reparations.

I’m aware of that. I wonder how those descendants feel today.

belleager · 05/12/2025 16:43

If we were to summon all of our British, Irish, Spanish, Israeli etc forefathers of 150 years past to the discussion, of course we'd find many beliefs and attitudes of theirs unpalatable (as they would ours). It is hard to see how that has any bearing on the moral authority of their broadcasters in this instance.

SameOldHill · 05/12/2025 16:46

SisterTeatime · 05/12/2025 16:43

I’m aware of that. I wonder how those descendants feel today.

Probably the same as the descendants of the Palestinian diaspora will feel in 500 years time?

It’s hard to find a country that hasn’t acted terribly in the past. But it’s the ones that are acting badly now that need to be the focus for BDS.

SisterTeatime · 05/12/2025 16:54

belleager · 05/12/2025 16:43

If we were to summon all of our British, Irish, Spanish, Israeli etc forefathers of 150 years past to the discussion, of course we'd find many beliefs and attitudes of theirs unpalatable (as they would ours). It is hard to see how that has any bearing on the moral authority of their broadcasters in this instance.

Possibly the broadcasters don’t have as much moral authority as posters praising the Eurovision boycotters would like us to think?

In general I don’t think sifting through past wrongs is all that helpful. I just think if I was a country which after expelling Jews (which many countries did including England) only let them back in 150 years ago I’d probably be a bit circumspect about Israel.

jasflowers · 05/12/2025 16:57

SisterTeatime · 05/12/2025 16:54

Possibly the broadcasters don’t have as much moral authority as posters praising the Eurovision boycotters would like us to think?

In general I don’t think sifting through past wrongs is all that helpful. I just think if I was a country which after expelling Jews (which many countries did including England) only let them back in 150 years ago I’d probably be a bit circumspect about Israel.

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I'm not praising anyone, least of all broadcasters, Israel shouldn't be in the competition, thats supported by 82% of the UK.

If for no other reason then their inclusion will wreck it for other singers, viewers and fans.

belleager · 05/12/2025 17:04

SisterTeatime · 05/12/2025 16:54

Possibly the broadcasters don’t have as much moral authority as posters praising the Eurovision boycotters would like us to think?

In general I don’t think sifting through past wrongs is all that helpful. I just think if I was a country which after expelling Jews (which many countries did including England) only let them back in 150 years ago I’d probably be a bit circumspect about Israel.

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I really can't take this 150 year business seriously. It's not even the same state, never mind constitution, political parties etc. Nobody who was alive before Jews were legally readmitted to Spain has walked the earth this century.

I'm resisting the very obvious comparisons with every other nation and their conduct and interventions, because, as I said, historical top trumps gets us nowhere.

JemimaTiggywinkles · 05/12/2025 17:12

Spanish football fans were singing racist chants at a French player earlier this year. The racism certainly isn’t confined to the past!

My10centsworth · 05/12/2025 17:20

Ah.....the default setting of the pro-Israeli lobby-all criticism of Israel means you are antisemitic. Shame on you! Well done Slovenia, The Netherlands, Spain and Ireland. Showing a backbone regardless of the consequences and tut-tutting from certain quarters.

SharonEllis · 05/12/2025 17:23

My10centsworth · 05/12/2025 17:20

Ah.....the default setting of the pro-Israeli lobby-all criticism of Israel means you are antisemitic. Shame on you! Well done Slovenia, The Netherlands, Spain and Ireland. Showing a backbone regardless of the consequences and tut-tutting from certain quarters.

Except noone here regards all criticism of Israel as antisemitic. Only antisemitic criticism of Israel.

Workingwell · 05/12/2025 17:30

SharonEllis · 05/12/2025 17:23

Except noone here regards all criticism of Israel as antisemitic. Only antisemitic criticism of Israel.

Israel has been in the competition since 1973. Surely you can see that the present boycott cannot be due to anti-semitism?

peepsypops · 05/12/2025 17:32

SharonEllis · 05/12/2025 17:23

Except noone here regards all criticism of Israel as antisemitic. Only antisemitic criticism of Israel.

You literally do it all the time. All the time.

belleager · 05/12/2025 17:34

JemimaTiggywinkles · 05/12/2025 17:12

Spanish football fans were singing racist chants at a French player earlier this year. The racism certainly isn’t confined to the past!

Nor in any country, unfortunately. Hope Spain's efforts to deal with this are sustained and effective. But I wouldn't infer that their broadcasters boycotting of the Eurovision is in any way racist.

SisterTeatime · 05/12/2025 17:47

belleager · 05/12/2025 17:04

I really can't take this 150 year business seriously. It's not even the same state, never mind constitution, political parties etc. Nobody who was alive before Jews were legally readmitted to Spain has walked the earth this century.

I'm resisting the very obvious comparisons with every other nation and their conduct and interventions, because, as I said, historical top trumps gets us nowhere.

I don’t think it’s helpful either, as I’ve said more than once. Just giving my perspective on what I think of Spain being held up as some kind of ethical exemplar.

SharonEllis · 05/12/2025 17:51

Workingwell · 05/12/2025 17:30

Israel has been in the competition since 1973. Surely you can see that the present boycott cannot be due to anti-semitism?

Why?

SharonEllis · 05/12/2025 17:52

peepsypops · 05/12/2025 17:32

You literally do it all the time. All the time.

Give me an example

belleager · 05/12/2025 17:56

SisterTeatime · 05/12/2025 17:47

I don’t think it’s helpful either, as I’ve said more than once. Just giving my perspective on what I think of Spain being held up as some kind of ethical exemplar.

I don't think anyone is doing this, holding Spain up as an ethical exemplar. Some posters are simply approving this particular decision by Spain's broadcaster.

BaiFelicia · 05/12/2025 18:02

Martymcfly24 · 04/12/2025 20:07

Israel has competed in Eurovision since 1973 , why did these antisemitic countries only start complaining in the last two years I wonder??

I don't know about the others, but Spain's extreme left government are trying to smoke-screen the fact that they have corruption cases coming out of their ears. Hoping Palestine will distract everyone from the fact that Pedro Sanchez has 3 ministers in jail already

BaiFelicia · 05/12/2025 18:03

OneGreySeal · 04/12/2025 19:42

Good, IDF shot two kids in the head mere days ago.

Source : Pallywood and "trust me bro"

BaiFelicia · 05/12/2025 18:08

MissyB1 · 04/12/2025 20:40

Aaah so disagreeing with Israel murdering innocent kids, blowing the limbs off other kids, targeting civilians trying to shelter in flimsy tents and burning them to death, is just racist?
You got that folks? We must celebrate Israel killing over 60,000 civilians or we are all racists!

You've been watching too much Pallywood

JemimaTiggywinkles · 05/12/2025 18:25

belleager · 05/12/2025 17:34

Nor in any country, unfortunately. Hope Spain's efforts to deal with this are sustained and effective. But I wouldn't infer that their broadcasters boycotting of the Eurovision is in any way racist.

No, but perhaps those indicating Spain is more morally superior than other nations might like to take a minute and think. Racism isn’t over anywhere, not by a long chalk. But Spanish football fans are notorious for it - far worse than (for example) UK, French, German fans. So maybe, just maybe, we can stop pretending Spain is better than others. And we can certainly stop pretending Spain’s history of racism is totally in the past.

belleager · 05/12/2025 18:35

JemimaTiggywinkles · 05/12/2025 18:25

No, but perhaps those indicating Spain is more morally superior than other nations might like to take a minute and think. Racism isn’t over anywhere, not by a long chalk. But Spanish football fans are notorious for it - far worse than (for example) UK, French, German fans. So maybe, just maybe, we can stop pretending Spain is better than others. And we can certainly stop pretending Spain’s history of racism is totally in the past.

But nobody is claiming or pretending these things.

The pattern in this discussion is:

People approve an action by Spanish, Irish, Dutch and Slovenian broadcasters.

Other people leap in to remind us that these countries have their problems, scandals, imperfections, dark histories etc, with particular reference to racism and anti-Semitism.

If the argument isn't that this means the action is racist or anti-Semitic, good. But why bother with the rest of it? Nobody is setting these countries up as moral giants, so unless you're trying to discredit the broadcasters and their actions, what's your point?