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Feel like once the hostages are handed over Israel will start bombing again

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Wakeuplittlebunnies · 10/10/2025 06:50

It seems too good to be true, a final end to the war.

After all the plans that were announced with regards to annexation and the Israeli far-right government members, I can’t help but feel that once all of the hostages are released Israel will go ham on Gaza.

There will be nothing to stop them bombing everywhere.

No hostages to avoid bombing.

No families pleading with the Israeli ministers.

Israel has broken so many ceasefires and this was with the hostages lives at stake.

I don’t know, but I can’t celebrate with everyone as I don’t believe it will last and my heart says that’s it’s going to get worse.

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User37482 · 11/10/2025 06:57

ScrollingLeaves · 10/10/2025 19:40

Are some people really suggesting that these narrow tunnels, which released Israeli hostages have described and are more or less unbearable, would have been a place to protect 2 million civilians?

Hamas have clearly stated that the reason they don’t shelter people is because they are not responsible for them. Also it’s fine if people die because the wombs of their women will just produce more Palestinians. It’s foul. They don’t have to live in those tunnels, but Hamas know when operations are taking place they can shelter some people but they just don’t care to. Thats who Hamas are.

PevenseygirlQQ · 11/10/2025 08:04

EsmaCannonball · 10/10/2025 23:13

This has to be one of the most visually documented wars in history; all those fit and healthy young men with their fully-charged smartphones at every hostage handover and every bomb site and every hospital. If there was mass starvation we would have seen it by now. So far we've only seen images of deliberately starved hostages and those images of emaciated Palestinians who have subsequently turned out to be suffering from wasting illnesses. (I suppose there were also those images of a photojournalist staging photographs of children holding out empty bowls.) I have no doubt that people have suffered and gone without but there have been no images like those we have seen from Bosnia or Sudan or Yemen. All those Al-Jazeera journalists and citizen 'journalists' and people with smartphones and they can't find starving people?

One of the most disturbing things about this war is how Hamas - a group which has killed, imprisoned and intimidated journalists - has controlled the narrative and how almost all the media has unquestioningly played along.

Are you saying the images we have seen of emaciated children are all ill with “wasting diseases”? Every single one?

Lets say that the Palestinians were not suffering from hunger (which they are) is it better that they are being slaughtered with full bellies and charged iphones? That makes whats happening to innocent children okay?

Journalists staging pictures? Lol you really just refuse to have any empathy.

Thats like me saying naaa the “hostages” are fine, they’ve been sheltered from bombs in tunnels, nice and warm, they haven’t had to work for 2 years how lovely. Thats how heartless and deluded you sound.

I bet if we saw images of Israeli’s starving you’d believe it without a doubt.

Hamas are disgusting pigs, but so is Netanyahu and his government. Don’t belittle what those poor children have suffered, they didn’t ask for any of this.

Twiglets1 · 11/10/2025 08:27

We will all see the condition of the hostages soon.

Whether they have been starving or not will be obvious from their physical condition.

Facts matter. And if we say their physical condition looks decent that is not to say they haven’t suffered (of course they have, as have the people of Gaza).

If we are told about widespread famine by sources we once trusted like the UN or BBC, people will comment on the misinformation.

ClockworkGoose · 11/10/2025 08:36

Why am I not surprised Israel are point blank refusing to include several Palestinian prisoners who were on the agreed list for release?

SpaceRaccoon · 11/10/2025 08:43

Are you saying the images we have seen of emaciated children are all ill with “wasting diseases”? Every single one?

Yes I think the images of the emaciated children, were all because they had existing illnesses.
I'm not underplaying how awful it was to have a chronic illness in a war zone, but it's now completely obvious from a great deal of footage that there was no mass starvation.

MarmaladeSandwich7 · 11/10/2025 08:46

OP, DH was saying exactly that last night.

PevenseygirlQQ · 11/10/2025 08:47

SpaceRaccoon · 11/10/2025 08:43

Are you saying the images we have seen of emaciated children are all ill with “wasting diseases”? Every single one?

Yes I think the images of the emaciated children, were all because they had existing illnesses.
I'm not underplaying how awful it was to have a chronic illness in a war zone, but it's now completely obvious from a great deal of footage that there was no mass starvation.

Wow

On August 22, 2025, the Integrated Food Security Phase Classification (IPC), a United Nations-backed body, officially declared that famine was occurring in the Gaza Governorate, which includes Gaza City.

Guess they and many others are lying

Twiglets1 · 11/10/2025 08:54

ClockworkGoose · 11/10/2025 08:36

Why am I not surprised Israel are point blank refusing to include several Palestinian prisoners who were on the agreed list for release?

Gosh, I wonder why Israel are being so stubborn about them.

Marwan Barghouti serving five life sentences plus 40 years for leading the al-Aqsa Martyrs Brigades and allegedly directing attacks during the Second Intifada that killed five Israelis.

Ahmad Sa’adat sentenced to 30 years after the 2001 assassination of Israeli minister Rehavam Ze’evi.

Abbas al-Sayyid, Hamas’ al-Qassam Brigades commander, accused of organising the 2002 Park Hotel bombing that killed 35 Israelis. He was sentenced to 35 life terms

Ibrahim Hamed serving 54 life sentences for planning major attacks that killed 46 Israelis.

Abdullah Barghouti, Hamas’s chief bomb maker, is accused of carrying out attacks that killed 66 Israelis and injured around 500 others.

Hassan Salameh, one of Hamas’s founding commanders, is serving 46 life sentences for organising the 1996 bus bombings that killed 45 Israelis.

https://www.middleeastmonitor.com/20251010-israel-refuses-to-release-6-palestinian-leaders-in-trumps-proposed-deal/

ClockworkGoose · 11/10/2025 09:00

Twiglets1 · 11/10/2025 08:54

Gosh, I wonder why Israel are being so stubborn about them.

Marwan Barghouti serving five life sentences plus 40 years for leading the al-Aqsa Martyrs Brigades and allegedly directing attacks during the Second Intifada that killed five Israelis.

Ahmad Sa’adat sentenced to 30 years after the 2001 assassination of Israeli minister Rehavam Ze’evi.

Abbas al-Sayyid, Hamas’ al-Qassam Brigades commander, accused of organising the 2002 Park Hotel bombing that killed 35 Israelis. He was sentenced to 35 life terms

Ibrahim Hamed serving 54 life sentences for planning major attacks that killed 46 Israelis.

Abdullah Barghouti, Hamas’s chief bomb maker, is accused of carrying out attacks that killed 66 Israelis and injured around 500 others.

Hassan Salameh, one of Hamas’s founding commanders, is serving 46 life sentences for organising the 1996 bus bombings that killed 45 Israelis.

https://www.middleeastmonitor.com/20251010-israel-refuses-to-release-6-palestinian-leaders-in-trumps-proposed-deal/

Come on, they were on the agreed list. The details are not relevant to the context of the peace process . If they didn’t agree to them being out on the agreed list then they should have said so then. Why didn’t they? How will giving Hamas an excuse to stall help the release of hostages?

SharonEllis · 11/10/2025 09:10

ClockworkGoose · 11/10/2025 09:00

Come on, they were on the agreed list. The details are not relevant to the context of the peace process . If they didn’t agree to them being out on the agreed list then they should have said so then. Why didn’t they? How will giving Hamas an excuse to stall help the release of hostages?

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Were they on an agreed list or just Hamas's wish list? The BBC report I heard yesterday said it had not been agreed, just what Hamas wanted.

SomeoneSomewheree · 11/10/2025 09:21

Israel are refusing to release DR Hussam, I'm so angry.

ClockworkGoose · 11/10/2025 09:22

SharonEllis · 11/10/2025 09:10

Were they on an agreed list or just Hamas's wish list? The BBC report I heard yesterday said it had not been agreed, just what Hamas wanted.

Today’s report says that Hamas had demanded these names were included during talks as part of the deal. It seems Isreal instead produced their own list of names.

SharonEllis · 11/10/2025 09:23

Twiglets1 · 11/10/2025 08:54

Gosh, I wonder why Israel are being so stubborn about them.

Marwan Barghouti serving five life sentences plus 40 years for leading the al-Aqsa Martyrs Brigades and allegedly directing attacks during the Second Intifada that killed five Israelis.

Ahmad Sa’adat sentenced to 30 years after the 2001 assassination of Israeli minister Rehavam Ze’evi.

Abbas al-Sayyid, Hamas’ al-Qassam Brigades commander, accused of organising the 2002 Park Hotel bombing that killed 35 Israelis. He was sentenced to 35 life terms

Ibrahim Hamed serving 54 life sentences for planning major attacks that killed 46 Israelis.

Abdullah Barghouti, Hamas’s chief bomb maker, is accused of carrying out attacks that killed 66 Israelis and injured around 500 others.

Hassan Salameh, one of Hamas’s founding commanders, is serving 46 life sentences for organising the 1996 bus bombings that killed 45 Israelis.

https://www.middleeastmonitor.com/20251010-israel-refuses-to-release-6-palestinian-leaders-in-trumps-proposed-deal/

Incredible that anyone thinks Israel should release these people.

SomeoneSomewheree · 11/10/2025 09:25

SomeoneSomewheree · 11/10/2025 09:21

Israel are refusing to release DR Hussam, I'm so angry.

This was DR Hussam's last sighting in Gaza as he was ordered to walk towards the Israeli tanks after a long siege and attack on one of the last functioning hospitals in the north of Gaza.

Since then he has been tortured in Israeli prisons and held without charge.

Feel like once the hostages are handed over Israel will start bombing again
ClockworkGoose · 11/10/2025 09:28

SomeoneSomewheree · 11/10/2025 09:21

Israel are refusing to release DR Hussam, I'm so angry.

Surely while there is currently a prisoner release program to secure the release of hostages, prisoner names now have far less relevance to Isreal this late in the war. It does not stipulate picking and choosing. It would be a mistake at this stage to give Hamas any excuse to stall. This could play into their hands.

SpaceRaccoon · 11/10/2025 09:31

PevenseygirlQQ · 11/10/2025 08:47

Wow

On August 22, 2025, the Integrated Food Security Phase Classification (IPC), a United Nations-backed body, officially declared that famine was occurring in the Gaza Governorate, which includes Gaza City.

Guess they and many others are lying

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I don't know if they're lying or got it wrong, but in the most filmed and documented conflict on the planet, there have been no images of starving, emaciated people beyond a handful of gravely ill children.
No, that's not true actually, I've seen one. The hostage Evyatar David.

SomeoneSomewheree · 11/10/2025 09:32

They don't want to release Dr Hussam because of his popularity and due to how many people have been campaigning for his release since the IDF kidnapped him. They don't want the world to know how they have been treating him. Sick.

Alittlefeedbackwouldbenice · 11/10/2025 09:35

Marwan Barghouti was convicted by a military court with a trial that had considerable questions over it. An independent report by the Inter-Parliamentary Union find he had not been given a fair trial. There have been concerns that his conviction (by a court with a 95%+ conviction rate) was politically motivated.

That's because he is seen as a potentially unifying leader. He is widely respected, and on Hamas's release list despite not being Hamas. He's been referred to as the Palestinian Mandela. He is considered by many the best hope of a leader to bring about a peace process. He's a member of the Palestinian Legislative Council, from his prison cell.

Back in the 90's, when involved in negotiations, he had bridges the gap enough to be allowed to speak at the Knesset, referring to those present as friends.

He's highly educated, had a Masters in International Relations and a pHd, and has devised education programs for Palestinians prisoners which he teaches in prison.

Whilst he has called for interfada, the call was for demonstrations, strikes etc. He's not extreme Islamist - at least his wife is a lawyer who doesn't wear a headscarf.

He's been beaten, tortured, made to sit on a chair with nails in it for hours at a time. Prolonged periods of solitary confinement.

He's someone who has dedicated his life to mostly peaceful resistance. I mean it's possible that he's guilty of the offences, but given the concerns over the trial, that it's out of character for his life before and during prison and how convenient it is for Israel him being out of the way, I wouldn't bet on it.

Absolutely he should be released. He shouldn't have been convicted in the first place.

PevenseygirlQQ · 11/10/2025 09:35

SpaceRaccoon · 11/10/2025 09:31

I don't know if they're lying or got it wrong, but in the most filmed and documented conflict on the planet, there have been no images of starving, emaciated people beyond a handful of gravely ill children.
No, that's not true actually, I've seen one. The hostage Evyatar David.

I haven’t seen any pictures of Evyatar David maybe he had a chronic illness?

Twiglets1 · 11/10/2025 09:42

PevenseygirlQQ · 11/10/2025 09:35

I haven’t seen any pictures of Evyatar David maybe he had a chronic illness?

We would know if he did as the truth tends to come out in the end as it has re widespread famine in Gaza.

ClockworkGoose · 11/10/2025 09:43

SharonEllis · 11/10/2025 09:23

Incredible that anyone thinks Israel should release these people.

I think they should release the prisoners they have been asked to release in exchange for hostages. Isn’t that the whole purpose of the deal? Names, who’s friend they are, what they did 6 generations ago and what football team they support have little relevance this late in the war. They aren’t going to be allowed have anything to do with Gaza going forward anyway.

SharonEllis · 11/10/2025 09:45

PevenseygirlQQ · 11/10/2025 09:35

I haven’t seen any pictures of Evyatar David maybe he had a chronic illness?

Evyatar David is one of the hostages. Footage was released of him by Hamas, emaciated and forced to dig his own grave. He did not have a chronic illness when he was kidnapped.

Mumsnet will remove your comment for you if you ask them too.

Twiglets1 · 11/10/2025 09:49

Guys, you're sweet to be worrying about the terrorists with multiple life sentences that aren't going to be released.

To cheer you up, here are some that Israel have agreed to release:

Iyad Abu al-Rub, an Islamic Jihad commander convicted of orchestrating suicide bombings in Israel from 2003-2005 that killed 13 people.

The oldest and longest imprisoned to be released is 64-year-old Samir Abu Naama, a Fatah member who was arrested from the West Bank in 1986 and convicted on charges of planting explosives.

The youngest is Mohammed Abu Qatish, who was 16 when he was arrested in 2022 and convicted of an attempted stabbing.

PevenseygirlQQ · 11/10/2025 09:49

SharonEllis · 11/10/2025 09:45

Evyatar David is one of the hostages. Footage was released of him by Hamas, emaciated and forced to dig his own grave. He did not have a chronic illness when he was kidnapped.

Mumsnet will remove your comment for you if you ask them too.

Do you understand sarcasm? Of course I know what Hamas did to him, I am horrified like any normal person I was purposefully being an ass in reply to the person I replied to as they are so ignorant to believe no one is starving in Gaza and everyone has a “chronic illness”.

SpaceRaccoon · 11/10/2025 09:54

I haven’t seen any pictures of Evyatar David maybe he had a chronic illness?

He's a hostage starving in a tunnel. He looked well and healthy before he was kidnapped by Hamas. But you know this.