Dozens Killed in Last 24hrs Despite Trumps Order to Stop Bombing

[ClockworkGoose]

Dozens have been killed in Gaza the past 24 hours in spite of Donald Trumps order for Isreal to stop the bombing. But it’s Hamas who don’t want peace apparently.

https://news.sky.com/story/gaza-latest-trump-tells-israel-stop-bombing-gaza-as-hamas-agrees-to-release-hostages-and-to-parts-of-peace-deal-13443931

I agree Netanyahu has never given a shiny shit about the hostages, that must have been heartbreaking and infuriating for the families.

As for Netanyahu obeying Trump, or indeed sticking to the peace plan, he won’t feel the need to do either. He was rowing back on the plan less than 24 hours after apparently signing up to it 🙄

He has something on Trump, I would put money on it.

If he doesn't give a shiny shit about the hostages why is he agreeing to release 250 life sentence prisoners plus 1700 Gazans who were detained after October 7th 2023 in exchange for only about 20 live Israeli hostages?

Yes of course it is upsetting for the families that he hasn't put getting the hostages back as his first and only priority. But he also has to think strategically about the possibility of Hamas doing it again and taking more hostages in future which is why he has to make Hamas less dangerous.

Trump has no power. He can “order” all he wants but Israel doesn’t obey him. Russia doesn’t either.

If he doesn't give a shiny shit about the hostages why is he agreeing to release 250 life sentence prisoners plus 1700 Gazans who were detained after October 7th 2023 in exchange for only about 20 live Israeli hostages?

Because not doing so has become untenable. Let's not pretend that Netanyahu has acted in the hostages best interests in the past 2 years.

I thought this exact thing when I read the title. I'm no supporter of the actions of the Israeli government but they don't have to follow Trump's orders.

Apparently there was some very frank talking between Trump and Netanyahu.

It’s interesting that Netanyahu was very keen to spin that Hamas’s response NOT be seen as postive- despite Hamas saying that they will be able release hostages and they have said they will
hand over governance of the strip.

They want clarification around the future of Gaza and the rights of Palestinians. Is that being unreasonable?

“In its official response to Trump's plan, Hamas said it's willing to release all remaining hostages in return for an end to the war and a full Israeli military withdrawal from Gaza. But the group requested negotiations on many of the details.

• In private consultations Friday, Netanyahu stressed that he viewed Hamas' response as a rejection of Trump's plan. He said he wanted to coordinate with the U.S. on its response to avoid a narrative that Hamas had answered positively, an Israeli official told Axios.“

Some people are falling for this.

Hamas and the Knesset led by Netanyahu’s coalition are equally responsible for what has happened in Gaza.

Netanyahu’s government doesn’t want a ceasefire- they also broke the last ceasefire by bombing Gaza.

https://www.axios.com/2025/10/05/trump-netanyahu-call-gaza-peace-deal-hamas

Note that the Axios journalist Ravid is an ex IDF soldier. Trump and Netanyahu allegedly often have these "fights" (the last major one being just before Israel bombed Iran).

It's beneficial for Trump as it makes him appear strong with his base where his popularity has sharply dropped due to his unconditional support for Israel and Netanyahu. They're seeing Trump as weak, controlled and "Israel First" which could lead to Republican loses in the midterm elections next year.

Why does Donald Trump ordering something matter?

It matters pragmatically, obviously. He’s a powerful man.

But you seem to think it very important morally not to disobey Donald Trump.

Why? What makes him such a moral lode star, in your view?

It’s strange how exact Hamas can be about people being killed when they mislay hostages and have asked more time to find them?

Doesn’t supply count as the main reason? Israel rely on it don’t they

That sounds like a pragmatic reason. OP seems to feel Israel has done something immoral by disobeying Trump.

You seem to not have a clue in the slightest what I think or feel but carry on inventing scenarios. It’s fun. 😃

I mean, bombing civilians is pretty immortal whether or not it involves disobeying Trump.

I don’t want to invent. That’s why I asked and you’ve sidestepped the question.

You’ve repeatedly stressed that Israel has ‘disobeyed’ Trump as if that is in itself has moral force.

I‘m unconvinced by that because I don’t consider Trump to be a credible moral arbiter. He’s pretty low on my list.

You seem to feel differently so I’m asking you why.

That doesn’t seem to be it though. OP’s quite clearly concerned that Trump has been disobeyed. She clearly thinks that’s important. I’m asking why, because when I look at Trump I see him as many things but not a moral arbiter.

Im not the least bit concerned. It’s just a discussion forum, you know, where people post things. You on the other hand seem rather concerned. Have you tried Lavender Tea or perhaps some cognitive behavioural therapy?

You aren't discussing though. You made a thread where this was the key point, which you put in the thread headline, repeated, and described as "important".

I then ask you why you think that, and rather than further the discussion you are rather lamely making out that it's weird behaviour to ask.

If you can't do discussing that's fine, I guess, but then I'd ask who it is who doesn't understand what a discussion forum is.

I don’t have to discuss anything. Just as you don’t have to reply. Fancy that. You’re actually free to ignore threads. Who would have thought? Did you try the Lavender tea by the way? I can recommend it 😉

Sure -- but that is a frankly weird way for you to approach a discussion forum where you've posted a topic for discussion.

@ClockworkGoose: here's a topic. It's important.
General: I don't understand your position, can you explain it?
Clockwork: Durr. You don't understand my position.
General: Correct. Can you explain it?
Clockwork: OMG are you mental? This is a discussion forum.
General: OK, shall we discuss?
Clockwork: I'm not here to discuss. What do you think this is, a discussion forum, loser?