As a compassionate gesture we accept I'll children from Gaza but will they return?

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https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cr4qn6gxekxo
If course going and argue with treating injured and I'll children but I don't think Yvette Cooper has considered whether the children sending the children back to a a war zone after treatment would be rather cruel.

I personally think what is India's here is the young Gazans will be given asylum in the UK and possibly their families could join them. Given UK attitudes towards asylum seekers currently this is a bit of a political risk.

How do you balance compassion for injured children with setting precedent for mass asylum seeking from Gaza where there are sadly many injured childden? How do you choose which children to treat for instance and which UK patients to push down the waiting lists to accommodate them?

Is this feature politics to try and hold on to the Muslim vote!

The point is we have a large section of the population resentful of immigration and asylum which the government recognises her we see here exceptions being made for Gaza. If nothing else it's a vote loser and panders to the far right.

There is a strange optimism about people thinking incredibly traumatised children with possible amputations who have not been educated in a war zone in 12 years time having the qualifications needed to outperform UK students in getting posts for medicine or other professions. Where is the logic? A lot of any potential refugees may not have good command of English or significant qualifications hence will just be another target for the far right exacerbating social divisons in the country.

You and @Insertfootnote really haven't bothered doing your research have you? I bet you also come out with ' why don't refugees stay on the first safe country?' too, oblivious to the fact that the vast majority do (and of course if geography was different and we were their first safe country, you'd be screaming for other countries to take their share).

pps have already explained that places like Jordan have taken many, many children. We're helping by taking a tiny handful. And you resent even that.

If they weren’t being attacked and starved in the first place they wouldn’t need to come here. And yes I believe we do have a responsibility when we’re actively funding the weapons, parts etc that are causing these injuries.

I have no issue with children, who never chose any of this, coming here and being safe. I’d absolutely give room in my home for them too before that’s thrown about.

Do we take in injured children and their families from all.war zones out of interest? Is there a system in place where this happens? Or is it just Gaza?

Just the main ones on the telly I think. Gaza and Ukraine.
trying to get my friend in Afghanistan to safety and it’s impossible.

It's right that Jordan takes in children as it is a state with close affiliation with the Palestinians. However doing some research as suggested Jordan and Egypt have great fears of increasing immigration of Palestinians because of potential destabilization of their governments. It may the case that in future mass migration of Ga Gazans may be a tropical point so that should be interesting.

There are millions of children in the developing world that would benefit from world class free treatment in UK hospitals but it simply fantasy to say this can heppen. By cherry picking Gazan children it seems like a crass political point made by a focus group. Are the British government going to get money back from Israel, nope.

People recognise virtue signalling when they see it.

It's right that Jordan takes in children as it is a state with close affiliation with the Palestinians. However doing some research as suggested Jordan and Egypt have great fears of increasing immigration of Palestinians because of potential destabilization of their governments. It may the case that in future mass migration of Ga Gazans may be a tropical point so that should be interesting.

There are millions of children in the developing world that would benefit from world class free treatment in UK hospitals but it simply fantasy to say this can heppen. By cherry picking Gazan children it seems like a crass political point made by a focus group. Are the British government going to get money back from Israel, nope.

People recognise virtue signalling when they see it.

So you are ok to have other children come to the UK but not Palestinian?

You know the point the OP is making. Why Gazan children only?

https://ijhpr.biomedcentral.com/articles/10.1186/s13584-024-00663-3

Interesting paper here on Palestinian representation in Israeli healthcare professions and it is significant as would be expected in a but i ethnic society..

It begs the question why Arab health professionals in Israeli hospitals aren't going on strike until the hospitals start treating Gazans. Indeed the Arabs working in Israeli healthcare provide taxes to the Israeli government ta significant proportion of which is spent on the milotary. Arabs working in hospitals I. Two Aviv probably are quite sanguine about his.

The middle East is a lot more complex than this on the left think.

No I don't.

Because 21 seriously ill Ukrainian children were evacuated and transported with their families in 2022 for treatment in the UK. I would presume the OP has the same objections to these children.

What a sad post. Whatever happened to save the children? Some people seem to have lost all compassion. The more children we can help, the better.

The NHS is barely functioning. British children are waiting months if not years for treatment. Don't waste my time by denying this. We have a housing crisis and people are taking to the streets to protest against immigration. We are likely to end up with an unpleasant right wing government unless something is done immediately. Is this the right time to add fuel to the fire by bringing in children and their families from Gaza who will likely never return there? There are several wealthy Muslim countries with excellent medical facilities who could treat them in the vicinity rather than bringing them to Britain.

Israel has the capacity to help some of these children and there I not a huge outrage from Palestinian health professionals in Israel that this is not the case. You don't have mass strikes of Palestin Ian demanding access to Israeli hospitals for Gazan chikdren. It p%&es me off when comparisons are made of Israel and the third Reich when Israel is actively wanting to recruit more Palestinian health professionals...that is anti semtic.

sorry this is gesture politics that doesn't make any sense given health facilities in the region. Health inequality more generally would be a more interesting question.

Will their permits to work in Israel not be revoked if they protest?

They have seen what have happened to their counterparts within Gaza. How could they take the chance of a trip to Sde Teiman.

No one wants to see children suffer...but in practice does this mean that the UK and the NHS should be obliged to help/treat every child in the world?

I’m glad we are doing something. The numbers are small- nothing like the Ukrainian or HK visas (which for the record I’m also in favour of).

I can barely understand your Op because of your typos. Didn’t you proofread it before you posted?

Speaking of cherry picking, did you complain about the many thousands of Ukrainians who were brought here?

Well our Government ought to bloody well help these kids, in fact it’s the least they could do considering they have been supplying military equipment and assistance to Israel. That’s why I find Starmer’s hand wringing and sad face about the plight of the Gazans so sickening! And other Countries are taking Palestinian children it’s not just UK!

Interesting how OP’s true colours are shining brighter and brighter as the thread goes on….

We have far more in common with Ukranians than Gazans, but you know that. The Ukranians that have come here have been, overwhelmingly, lovely people, integrating, grateful, hard working and most of them WANT to go home at some point.

That's a big difference.

The Ukrainians were welcomed because they are all women and children, European, and with similar culture and values.

totally different from a whole family of maybe 10, some of whom are statistically likely to have been indoctrinated with ideas which are completely different to UK values.

Ukraine is in Europe.

So Palestinans are not
"overwhelming lovely people" and so sick kids deserve not to be broke out of the war zone.

Interesting take .

And the relevance is?