EU votes that Palestine should have its own state as part of UN resolution?

[minuteure]

11-09-2025 Strasbourg
I have read: "In a dramatic move, the European Parliament passed a non-binding resolution titled “Gaza at Breaking Point,” calling for urgent EU action to combat famine, release Israeli hostages, and recommit to a two-state solution. The vote passed with 305 in favour, 151 against, and 122 abstentions. MEPs demanded immediate aid access, called on EU states to recognise Palestine, and backed sanctions on violent Israeli settlers—including far-right ministers Smotrich and Ben-Gvir. The resolution also supports suspending bilateral support to Israel and parts of the EU-Israel Association Agreement. This comes as Commission President Ursula von der Leyen faces two no-confidence motions over her handling of Gaza and broader transparency concerns."

I think you are misunderstanding the difference between polls and official policy and their relevance. There are going to be both Palestinians and Israelis for and against 2 state solutions at any one time and there are people who believe in a one state which is a democracy but not a religious state. But this isn't at all relevant to what I said.

I was talking about state policies, and the reasons for them. So if you re-read my post in that context, it might make better sense.

Incidentally a 2 state will take the form of what is negotiated, but to be lasting it is going to need to be fair and reasonable in terms of split of land, resources etc.

I would be grateful if you could link something for your last paragraph.

I don't think it is as simple as that and polls in oct 23 were almost certainly not representative - I can't believe such a poll was even done in gaza or west bank, where people at the time were struggling so much day to day.

A 2 state solution is the only path to peace.

I don’t think that the IDF should be bombarding Gaza city, no.

I understand the reasons why they are still at war with Hamas - and will continue to be so until Hamas agree to not only release the hostages but also disarm and leave Gaza.

But too many civilians are getting killed alongside the Hamas fighters I believe the IDF are targeting. They should be taking better care in my opinion to minimise civilian casualties.

I agree with you that it’s not proportionate to bombard Gaza city but I understand the need to destroy an enemy (Hamas) who have pledged to “attack time and time again until Israel is annihilated”.

Hamas and Palestine are backed by Middle East countries, who support a 2 state solution. If Israel agree, it could become reality.

Hamas is not going to be fighting Israel if Palestine has its own state with its own security, and if Israel is not attacking Palestine or any other middle east country, because the backers in the middle east countries will not allow it to.

Link to the last paragraph from the Channel 4 news:

Since the latest conflict began, Hamas leaders have taken a harder line in public, now explicitly calling for the destruction of Israel (and therefore openly rejecting a two state solution).

Senior Hamas official Ghazi Hamad told Lebanese TV on 24 October that “we will repeat the October 7 attack time and again until Israel is annihilated.”

www.channel4.com/news/factcheck/factcheck-what-is-a-two-state-solution-and-do-israelis-and-palestinians-want-one

I think @minuteure and @Stripes56 we are going to have to agree to disagree on whether a 2 state solution is currently a realistic goal.

I'm not saying it could never happen and I hope it does one day.

But at the moment I can't see it happening with Netanyahu against it & Hamas against Israel even existing.

I appreciate you posting the clip but if you watch it, there is confusion about whether he is talking about in terms of "palestinian lands", the interviewer questions him but even then it is confusing, and the translation comes from a social media source. They are clips and the context is missing, and basically I don't know what the situation is there but in any event I don't think it is relevant to what we are looking at now.

Iran and the middle east all voted in favour of a 2 state solution in november 23. And so in effect, in reality, Hamas officially is going to support it too. So you see, you might be able to find people who speak out against it, but the reality is that the backers want a 2 state solution and it is a question of negotiating that. It is therefore in reality only Israel who is officially against the idea at the moment.

I don’t think anyone said it would happen overnight.
Israelis may need to be placed in a position were they are encouraged to accept- just as much Hamas and the alternative Palestinian government could be as mentioned above by other posters.

This then takes us back to the beginning of this thread. What the EU and other countries are doing in working to recognise Palestine as a state is not futile. It’s the start of a process. The sanctions placed against Israel may be symbolic at present, but hopefully the EU and other countries will consider sanctions with more bite if needed. Seemed to work with South Africa.

Don't you have any comment to make about the part in the article where the Hamas official Ghazi Hamad told Lebanese TV on 24 October that “we will repeat the October 7 attack time and again until Israel is annihilated.”

It's not "Israelis" who have to accept the proposition, it is Netanyahu and he is strongly against the idea.

He won't be in power forever. There will be elections next year if Israel isn't still at war but while the people doing the negotiating are Netanyahu and Hamas, I can't see it happening (personal opinion).

The Palestinian Authority are in favour of a two state solution so if they take over from Hamas and Netanyahu gets voted out next year, then it would have a more realistic chance of being agreed by both sides.

That’s really positive that Israelis would support a 2SS.

It's Netanyahu's decision isn't it, not "Israelis" in general?

If a negotiated ceasefire was agreed now, it would be agreed between Netanyahu (& his government) and Hamas.

Democracies are imperfect but there are elections in 2026. Hopefully those wanting peaceful solution - including looking at a 2ss- will use their vote to enable it.

Yes, hopefully they will.