I don't think you could make this up

[IWFH]

It's almost as if Israel and the US wanted this to fail...

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cm2zy4l8jgeo

One powerful sources speaks, others follow.

And who are they following?

Because humanitarian aid isn’t meant to be a threat to starving people. It’s meant to help protect them.

It seems to me that people don’t mind racism or hatred when it’s on their ‘side’. Hamas - bad. White racists - fine. And then everyone is shocked when more violence follows.

There was outrage on these boards that a small number of people working for the UN, who were then fired had Hamas connections.
Yet apparently it's just fine that the GHF employs large numbers of Islamophobic thugs to help distribute aid on Gaza.

The double standards on this board are absolutely breath taking.

Well exactly - neither side screen their employees for connections to extremist groups.

Both sides very much should, in my opinion.

Its obvious this was designed to fail...and kill as many civilians in the process...win win for Israel..

There were some accusations that the aid distribution centres set up by this organisation were a way of gathering Palestinian civilians together to make them easier targets

Well exactly - neither side screen their employees for connections to extremist groups.

UNWRA/UN do screen their employees and supplied Israel with lists of employees so Israel could vet them also. Interested to know where you are getting your info that they don't?

UN staff fired over possible links to 7 October attack

Nine staff members at the UN agency for Palestinian refugees, UNRWA, may have been involved in the 7 October Hamas-led attack on Israel, the United Nations says.

All nine would have their employment terminated, said UN deputy spokesperson Farhan Haq.

He said the UN had completed an investigation following allegations by Israel that UNRWA staff were involved.

https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cnvyyz8461yo

I'm very aware of this, 9 out of 13,000 employees in Gaza suggests to me that for the most part their screening works. I was merely correcting your statement that they didn't screen and wondered where you got that information from because they do.

They didn't screen well enough if 9 members of their staff were involved in 7/10 and this did not come up in their screening process. Israel alleged that 12 members of UN staff took part that day but enough evidence could only be found to sack 9 people.

It may be a small number but another small number is the 10 members of the Infidels Motorcycle Club working in Gaza for UG Solutions - the private contractor providing security at GHF sites.

Noted that the US biker gang have "a history of hostility to Islam."

Due to this, I agree that they are not appropriate people to be providing security at GHF sites but their hostility to Islam is presumably not at the same level as the UN staff's hostility to Israel if they could be involved in the 7/10 massacre.

They didn't screen well enough
We will have to agree to disagree on that one and Israeli authorities also had lists of employees to screen but unfortunately no screening process is fool proof and people will slip through. But good to see that you do acknowledge that they do screen which is the misinformation I was correcting in the first place.

but another small number is the 10 members of the Infidels Motorcycle Club working in Gaza for UG Solutions - the private contractor providing security at GHF sites.
Well the clear difference here is that the GHF know what they stand for and are quite happy for them to be there.

Israel claimed that 10% of unwra staff were affiliated with Hamas. They called for unwra to be shut down and for all funding for unwra to be stopped, and they were quite successful in getting funding suspended and in the case of the US stopped. They banned unwra from Israel. They have introduced new laws that purposefully restrict what unwra can do. Then people like you scoff and say well GHF are providing more aid?

Unwra are transparent with Israel, Israel have a list of all of their employees and have been able to raise an issue at any time and it would be investigated. Israel has a legal duty to inform unwra of information they have of interference from terrorist groups yet despite having a list of all of they employees never raised concerns about unwras staff. Legally it is the shared responsibility of both Israel and unwra, if unwra failed then Israel failed too. Unwra has since undergone an independent review that confirmed that unwra has sophisticated procedures to guarantee their neutrality.

Nobody knows who is even funding GHF nevermind who is working for them and their contractors. Is it only 10 members? Who are the rest of their staff, what 'hobbies' do they have? These are people working with some of the most vulnerable people in the world right now. These people are armed. These people have a lot of power given that for lots of people they are their only hope of feeding their families. We have no way at all of even knowing what these people are doing in Gaza, have they killed people, how would we know if they had? We can't 'presume' anything when we know nothing which is why it is so important that GHF and their contractors are transparent.

Is there any evidence that the UN were doing any screening before the controversy about them having to sack 9 of their staff for being involved in 7/10?

I've already acknowledged that these biker gang members are not appropriate people to be providing security at GHF sites. Bad as these anti Muslim bigots are however, they haven't actually been involved in a massacre against the people they hate, so in that sense they aren't as dangerous to civilians as the UN members of staff were who got sacked.

I've already acknowledged that these biker gang members are not appropriate people to be providing security at GHF sites. Bad as these anti Muslim bigots are however, they haven't actually been involved in a massacre against the people they hate, so in that sense they aren't as dangerous to civilians as the UN members of staff were who got sacked.

And I agree wholeheartedly that Hamas activists/terrorists have no place in the UN. However I disagree with the second part of your statement claiming the GDF recruits aren't as dangerous as the UN recruits.
NOBODY queuing to, or on the way to get food should be at risk of getting killed either, yet according to the UN almost 1400 have. I'm sure a group of Muslim hating 'security' thugs have nothing to do with that... Would you classify almost 1400 as a massacre too?
https://news.un.org/en/story/2025/08/1165552

The thing I find really baffling about this though is that Israel seems happy to both accept support and to recruit Neo-Nazi activists. I very much doubt that the people recruited have any more respect for Jews than they do for Muslims.

Is there any evidence that the UN were doing any screening before the controversy about them having to sack 9 of their staff for being involved in 7/10?
Yes they screen all their staff and their details are also sent to Israel to screen

so in that sense they aren't as dangerous to civilians as the UN members of staff were who got sacked.
Not sure what the relevance of this is? My point is about screening, the UN do the GHF don't, you seem to be shifting the goal posts on my original point. I have acknowledged that 7 people slipped through the screening net and yes were very dangerous to Israeli civilians. The linked report has more detail on this. @GladioliGreen has provided a very good account has to how dangerous the GHF staff are and could be to Palestinian civilians in Gaza

news.un.org/en/story/2024/08/1152841

How did 9 get through their screening process then that were involved in 7/10?

Not much of a screening process if that could happen.

Though you haven’t provided evidence that there was a screening process before this was exposed.

As a request - could we avoid some of the whataboutery please?
Personally I don't believe that the existence of Hamas members/terrorists in the UN in the past justifies the use of racist thugs in the GHF today.
For the avoidance of any doubt - both are fundamentally wrong, but the UN have removed the staff involved.

An independent review, the Colonna Report, was published in April 2024 to assess UNRWA's adherence to the humanitarian principle of neutrality, including its screening processes for staff. The report affirmed that UNRWA has a comprehensive set of policies for staff neutrality, including pre-employment screening and vetting, and that it possesses a more developed approach to neutrality than other similar organizations.

If the UN were not screening staff then we would have heard all about it when Israel were taking out Google ads accusing UNRWA of being a front for Hamas.

The idea that an organisation as huge as UNRWA are just making up that they screen employees is laughable. I notice that you haven't commented on Israels screening process and the fact that they raised zero red flags before Oct 7? As the occupiers there is a joint responsibility there for Israel to also share information. Why are they withholding evidence that could help unwra with the screening process?

The conversation here is though is about the men who hate Muslims so much that they have joined a 'we hate Muslims gang'. They have then been given guns and sent off to a place where they have zero accountability and independent observers are banned. They have been given power over some of the most vulnerable people in the world, the same people that they hate so much they were compelled to join a hate gang. Over 1000 Muslims, the people that these employees hate so much have been killed at or near to where these I hate Muslims people work. What are their screening processes, will they open themselves to an independent review? That is a much more relevant question to this thread.

Agree both are fundamentally wrong.

I expect (hope) the GHF will remove these staff too now it is being talked about in the media.

Screening only shows up existing red flags. Hence if someone shows no red flags they pass. The potential UN employees clearly didn't show up red flags to either the UN or Israel.

Here we have blatant singing and dancing red flags which have either been missed or ignored.