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Conflict in the Middle East
Twiglets1 · 10/09/2025 09:39

Again what’s the big difference @PinkBobby ?

The US & Pakistan did not have a trust based relationship hence the US did not ask for their co-operation.

Neither do Israel & Qatar have a trust based relationship with. If they did Israel could just ask them to expel the Hamas leaders living there.

The US also used significant force in targeting Bin Laden and more innocent civilians were killed (children) than the incident in which Israel targeted the Hamas leaders in Doha.

Kakeandkake · 10/09/2025 09:47

So it doesn't look like they have killed anyone from the Hamas leadership. They have killed diplomacy with Qatar. Stupid idiots, what an incompetent government.

Kakeandkake · 10/09/2025 09:47

They have earned a rare rebuke by Trump too.

PinkBobby · 10/09/2025 09:48

Twiglets1 · 10/09/2025 09:39

Again what’s the big difference @PinkBobby ?

The US & Pakistan did not have a trust based relationship hence the US did not ask for their co-operation.

Neither do Israel & Qatar have a trust based relationship with. If they did Israel could just ask them to expel the Hamas leaders living there.

The US also used significant force in targeting Bin Laden and more innocent civilians were killed (children) than the incident in which Israel targeted the Hamas leaders in Doha.

Edited

They worked with the US on basing the political leadership in Qatar. They weren’t harbouring them like Pakistan was harbouring OBL. It was all part of diplomacy attempts.

The additional deaths in Pakistan are very sad. Whilst it is fortunate that more civilians weren’t apparently killed in Qatar, they couldn’t control that situation. I would say they were lucky they potentially only killed on civilian. BUT one is enough to escalate this whole situation.

Timeforabitofpeace · 10/09/2025 10:06

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TulipLavender · 10/09/2025 10:39

Twiglets1 · 10/09/2025 09:39

Again what’s the big difference @PinkBobby ?

The US & Pakistan did not have a trust based relationship hence the US did not ask for their co-operation.

Neither do Israel & Qatar have a trust based relationship with. If they did Israel could just ask them to expel the Hamas leaders living there.

The US also used significant force in targeting Bin Laden and more innocent civilians were killed (children) than the incident in which Israel targeted the Hamas leaders in Doha.

Edited

I don't believe that US would have asked Qatar to host Hamas Leadership without Israel's tacit acceptance.

When have the US gone against the wishes of Israel?

TulipLavender · 10/09/2025 17:21

This is a very interesting analysis and watch -

https://www.youtube.com/live/ebxiK2TT3bk

Scott Ritter is a former US military intelligence officer and former UN weapons inspector.
He sets out how US must have green-lighted the Israeli strike on Hamas in Qatar.

Implications for any future negotiations and also for major global players trust of US in future appear stark.

Before you continue to YouTube

https://www.youtube.com/live/ebxiK2TT3bk

TreesTreesBeesBees · 10/09/2025 17:47

Does anyone actually think that Hamas want a peace deal anyway. Why not release the hostages and say there you go we truly want peace. They just want power to continue for them and the leaders have made millions from running Gaza into the ground and denying their own people a proper future with peace.

TulipLavender · 10/09/2025 18:40

TreesTreesBeesBees · 10/09/2025 17:47

Does anyone actually think that Hamas want a peace deal anyway. Why not release the hostages and say there you go we truly want peace. They just want power to continue for them and the leaders have made millions from running Gaza into the ground and denying their own people a proper future with peace.

I think the same can be said for Israel. It's such a disaster and horrific how the people suffer as a result of suc the awful leadership

TooBigForMyBoots · 10/09/2025 20:11

mids2019 · 09/09/2025 17:41

After the killings in Jerusalem it shows strength to fight back. Were the U.S. to bothered about Pakistani sovreignty when it got bin Laden. You can't hide from justice ......

Not when it comes to Hamas in Gaza. Where Israel has reduced itself to war crimes and genocide in order to get rid.

You are right that the criminals in this war cannot hide from justice. I grew up in a time of Nazi hunters. I've seen war criminals from Europe and Africa caught, tried and punished in the Hague.

Forever is a long time. A long time to live with trauma of war. A long time to live with your conscience. A long time to live, looking over your shoulder.

Twiglets1 · 10/09/2025 20:21

Kakeandkake · 10/09/2025 09:47

So it doesn't look like they have killed anyone from the Hamas leadership. They have killed diplomacy with Qatar. Stupid idiots, what an incompetent government.

You are trusting Hamas to be telling the truth about that?

They are claiming it was a failure whereas Israel are said to be "increasingly optimistic” about the results of the strike. They point out that "Hamas offered no immediate proof that its top leaders had survived" and "has been known in the past to only confirm the death of its leaders weeks or months after the fact".

https://www.timesofisrael.com/israel-strikes-hamas-chiefs-in-qatar-terror-group-insists-senior-leaders-unharmed/

rainingsnoring · 11/09/2025 07:52

TulipLavender · 10/09/2025 17:21

This is a very interesting analysis and watch -

https://www.youtube.com/live/ebxiK2TT3bk

Scott Ritter is a former US military intelligence officer and former UN weapons inspector.
He sets out how US must have green-lighted the Israeli strike on Hamas in Qatar.

Implications for any future negotiations and also for major global players trust of US in future appear stark.

Thank you for linking this. I haven't had a chance to watch it yet but it seems highly likely, based on common sense, that the US green lighted this attack and may have been involved in the planning too.

I'm shocked that Israel (and possibly the US) have chosen to violate IL and attach a neutral ME country (being termed a US ally in the press). They have apparently murdered innocent civilians in the process. Anyone who thinks that that this will be the end of the violence or that they can eliminate Hamas in this way is very naive.
I'm not sure why you would fully believe the reports of either side in a war.

Twiglets1 · 11/09/2025 08:12

I'm not believing anything about whether the Hamas leaders targeted are actually dead or alive until I see proof that they are alive (if they are).

No proof that they are alive in the coming months means they can probably be assumed to be dead (or Hamas may acknowledge them as "martyrs" as they did with Sinwar months after he was killed).

Flakey99 · 11/09/2025 08:20

I hope Netanyahu is tried for war crimes asap. He’s no better than Hitler and Putin!

MissConductUS · 11/09/2025 09:11

rainingsnoring · 11/09/2025 07:52

Thank you for linking this. I haven't had a chance to watch it yet but it seems highly likely, based on common sense, that the US green lighted this attack and may have been involved in the planning too.

I'm shocked that Israel (and possibly the US) have chosen to violate IL and attach a neutral ME country (being termed a US ally in the press). They have apparently murdered innocent civilians in the process. Anyone who thinks that that this will be the end of the violence or that they can eliminate Hamas in this way is very naive.
I'm not sure why you would fully believe the reports of either side in a war.

Scott Ritter is a shill/mouthpiece for the Russians who frequently appears in Russian propaganda. He's also a convicted pedophile.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scott_Ritter

Scott Ritter - Wikipedia

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scott_Ritter

PollieDarton · 11/09/2025 09:21

Martymcfly24 · 09/09/2025 17:43

Now Hamas realize that no matter what Israel will never negotiate any form of ceasefire and will sabotage any means of negotiation indicates certain death(at best) for the hostages.

This is exactly what I just posted about. It does appear negotiations are repeatedly Sabotaged.

TulipLavender · 11/09/2025 11:46

It seems like a terrible decision for Israel to take. Who would ever want to enter into peace negotiations with them in the future?

Is any country able to bomb another sovereign territory anywhere on the basis that terrorists are there?

PlusBarrette · 11/09/2025 12:07

Anothercoffeeafter3 · 09/09/2025 19:49

Hopefully this means Qatar has support of the Arab world to put a stop to Israeli attacks and occupation of Palestine. Maybe it’s time Israel and Palestine was governed by a neutral state for the good of everyone not the dominance of a religion or ethnic group.

A neutral state such as whom? How do you stop Israel and Palestine from being majority Jewish and Muslim respectively? and do you think the people there will take kiidly to their government's being overthrown by a foreign country's?

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