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Conflict in the Middle East

Bus shooting in Jerusalem

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allusernamesaretakennow · 08/09/2025 10:58

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/c4ge24r66r7t

My apologies a deadly shooting attack, not a bus attack as terrorists have used over the years against Israel

[title edited by MNHQ at OP's request]

Netanyahu visits site of deadly Jerusalem shooting attack that kills five - latest

At least five people have been killed and seven seriously wounded in a shooting attack in Jerusalem, paramedics and police say.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/c4ge24r66r7t

OP posts:
Dangermoos · 09/09/2025 08:29

allusernamesaretakennow · 09/09/2025 08:23

Look there's literally hundreds of threads talking about all the things that people think Israel has done wrong. This particular thread is about a terrorist attack in Jerusalem. Sadly, this wont help with peace for everyone.

Absolutely. What these posters are basically saying is that the deceased lives were worth nothing compared to the alleged genocide. They talk about us not being able to hear anything bad about the IDF, yet as soon as a designated thread comes up about Israeli casualties, they are all over it trying to minimise it. The one-upmanship is really strange behaviour.

Lolapusht · 09/09/2025 09:40

In case anyone missed this. UK government says Israel isn’t committing genocide.

Bus shooting in Jerusalem
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quantumbutterfly · 09/09/2025 09:44

IGaveSoManySigns · 09/09/2025 07:07

And you don’t think justifying a genocide is the worst of humanity? I pointed out the irony that the same posters who derail every thread about atrocities in Palestine by saying that the civilian deaths are just war, that it’s inevitable and it’s due to Hamas, are now wringing their hands on this thread. Funny how it’s okay to say it about Palestinian people, but not Israelis?

BTW, settlers in the West Bank have burned a children’s nursery to the ground overnight. A nursery. There isn’t Hamas in the West Bank. Yet there’s no condemnation of that? The fact that Palestinian lives are seen as so disposable is what’s the worst of humanity.

https://x.com/qudsnen/status/1965123993859756116?s=46

You don't think hamas is active in the west bank???? Mahmoud Abbas might disagree.

PrawnAgain · 09/09/2025 10:11

DenizenOfAisleOfShame · 09/09/2025 07:41

The motives of anyone who uses “genocide” about military action by Israel, the Jewish homeland established in the wake of the Holocaust, should be regarded with a very great deal of suspicion.

Are you saying that mo matter what Israel do noone should ever use it the word genocide about them? Apologies if this is not what you mean but surely no state should ever be protected from that word.

Surely you can see that it's incredibly dangerous to give any state an exemption from their actions being described as what they are.

PrawnAgain · 09/09/2025 10:15

allusernamesaretakennow · 09/09/2025 08:23

Look there's literally hundreds of threads talking about all the things that people think Israel has done wrong. This particular thread is about a terrorist attack in Jerusalem. Sadly, this wont help with peace for everyone.

And those threads have multiple people dismissing the lives of Palestinians as collateral damage and flat out denying Israel's culpability.

This cycle of suffering and death and suffering will not stop unless people start to recognise the humanity of the side they oppose but sadly I think we are all long way from that.

quantumbutterfly · 09/09/2025 10:18

PrawnAgain · 09/09/2025 10:15

And those threads have multiple people dismissing the lives of Palestinians as collateral damage and flat out denying Israel's culpability.

This cycle of suffering and death and suffering will not stop unless people start to recognise the humanity of the side they oppose but sadly I think we are all long way from that.

I have noticed that some people find it easy to dehumanise Israelis, and by extension the Jewish diaspora. It's frighteningly familiar.

Lolapusht · 09/09/2025 10:41

PrawnAgain · 09/09/2025 10:15

And those threads have multiple people dismissing the lives of Palestinians as collateral damage and flat out denying Israel's culpability.

This cycle of suffering and death and suffering will not stop unless people start to recognise the humanity of the side they oppose but sadly I think we are all long way from that.

Saying innocent people die in wars is not to dismiss their deaths as collateral damage. It’s a horrendous and heartbreaking fact that has been true for as long as there have been wars which have happened for as long as there have been people.

My problem with these threads is that it’s always Israel being called upon to recognise the humanity of the Palestinians. UNWRA schools have been teaching Jew hatred and Jihadist propaganda including honouring “fallen martyrs” ie terrorists who have killed Jews. Yes both sides need to respect the other, but one side has a lot further to go to recognise the other’s humanity. If you don’t know that, then you are woefully ill-informed on the hurdles that stand in the way of “peace”.

We are years away from this cycle of death and suffering being broken and it isn’t going to happen when Hamas has a chorus of people telling Israel to behave and be proportionate and restrained and peaceful. This will not be solved by focusing on Hamas/Palestine and Israel. It’s too big. It needs a massive effort from many countries to make things change eg Arab countries could be influenced to get Hamas under control but our governments are going to be reluctant to push them too much as we need them for oil & commerce. Men in suits sending sternly worded messages across mahogany tables while Gazans are being bombed and Israelis run to the shelters to avoid munitions from Hamas. Houthis & Hezbollah.

If one side makes the first move toward peace and puts their weapons down in an act of good faith they run the risk of being killed. Would you take that first step? Would you unilaterally stop retaliating when your people are attacked? The retaliation won’t stop until the attacks stop and they won’t stop until the retaliations stop.

Dangermoos · 09/09/2025 10:49

Lolapusht · 09/09/2025 10:41

Saying innocent people die in wars is not to dismiss their deaths as collateral damage. It’s a horrendous and heartbreaking fact that has been true for as long as there have been wars which have happened for as long as there have been people.

My problem with these threads is that it’s always Israel being called upon to recognise the humanity of the Palestinians. UNWRA schools have been teaching Jew hatred and Jihadist propaganda including honouring “fallen martyrs” ie terrorists who have killed Jews. Yes both sides need to respect the other, but one side has a lot further to go to recognise the other’s humanity. If you don’t know that, then you are woefully ill-informed on the hurdles that stand in the way of “peace”.

We are years away from this cycle of death and suffering being broken and it isn’t going to happen when Hamas has a chorus of people telling Israel to behave and be proportionate and restrained and peaceful. This will not be solved by focusing on Hamas/Palestine and Israel. It’s too big. It needs a massive effort from many countries to make things change eg Arab countries could be influenced to get Hamas under control but our governments are going to be reluctant to push them too much as we need them for oil & commerce. Men in suits sending sternly worded messages across mahogany tables while Gazans are being bombed and Israelis run to the shelters to avoid munitions from Hamas. Houthis & Hezbollah.

If one side makes the first move toward peace and puts their weapons down in an act of good faith they run the risk of being killed. Would you take that first step? Would you unilaterally stop retaliating when your people are attacked? The retaliation won’t stop until the attacks stop and they won’t stop until the retaliations stop.

Another superb post. 👌

PrawnAgain · 09/09/2025 11:00

quantumbutterfly · 09/09/2025 10:18

I have noticed that some people find it easy to dehumanise Israelis, and by extension the Jewish diaspora. It's frighteningly familiar.

Wrong thread

quantumbutterfly · 09/09/2025 11:57

PrawnAgain · 09/09/2025 11:00

Wrong thread

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Non sequitur

allusernamesaretakennow · 09/09/2025 12:09

PrawnAgain · 09/09/2025 10:15

And those threads have multiple people dismissing the lives of Palestinians as collateral damage and flat out denying Israel's culpability.

This cycle of suffering and death and suffering will not stop unless people start to recognise the humanity of the side they oppose but sadly I think we are all long way from that.

Im not on lots of threads and purposely avoid some by the titles given.

But for this thread, any comments on the act of terrorism that this thread is about?

OP posts:
IGaveSoManySigns · 09/09/2025 16:42

The minister of defence in Israel has confirmed that they will be enacting collective punishment on innocent people. This is a war crime.

Bus shooting in Jerusalem
Lolapusht · 09/09/2025 17:14

I don’t agree with demolishing buildings/taking away work permits for those connected with terrorists, but then I don’t agree with gunning down people on their way to work.

I also absolutely don’t agree with paying the families of terrorists who have carried out these attacks. If PA did more to stop people carrying out these attacks Israel wouldn’t carry out these punitive acts.

Both things encourage more attacks and neither does anything to secure peace.

Dangermoos · 09/09/2025 17:16

IGaveSoManySigns · 09/09/2025 16:42

The minister of defence in Israel has confirmed that they will be enacting collective punishment on innocent people. This is a war crime.

What's wrong with any of that?

IGaveSoManySigns · 09/09/2025 17:50

Dangermoos · 09/09/2025 17:16

What's wrong with any of that?

Collective punishment is a war crime and it is punishing people for living in the village that the attackers came from? Imagine if we did that after the Manchester arena bombing, or the 7/7 attacks? Cutting off entire cities and sanctioning them because they just so happen to live in the same place as an attacker did?

Dangermoos · 09/09/2025 17:55

IGaveSoManySigns · 09/09/2025 17:50

Collective punishment is a war crime and it is punishing people for living in the village that the attackers came from? Imagine if we did that after the Manchester arena bombing, or the 7/7 attacks? Cutting off entire cities and sanctioning them because they just so happen to live in the same place as an attacker did?

The key part of that missive is "relatives and villages of terrorists". I completely understand where it's coming from. It's also pertaining to work permits and makes reference to illegal structures. Would you feel happy being in close proximity of people related or associated with those that want to kill you?

Vivi0 · 09/09/2025 17:58

IGaveSoManySigns · 09/09/2025 16:42

The minister of defence in Israel has confirmed that they will be enacting collective punishment on innocent people. This is a war crime.

This just shows how little understanding people have of the words that have essentially been weaponised against Israel and are just repeated ad nauseam.

How on earth is this a “war crime”?

IGaveSoManySigns · 09/09/2025 18:07

Dangermoos · 09/09/2025 17:55

The key part of that missive is "relatives and villages of terrorists". I completely understand where it's coming from. It's also pertaining to work permits and makes reference to illegal structures. Would you feel happy being in close proximity of people related or associated with those that want to kill you?

So you believe anyone who lives in a village that a terrorist came from is also a terrorist? Just by virtue of their postcode?

GladioliGreen · 09/09/2025 18:09

Dangermoos · 09/09/2025 17:55

The key part of that missive is "relatives and villages of terrorists". I completely understand where it's coming from. It's also pertaining to work permits and makes reference to illegal structures. Would you feel happy being in close proximity of people related or associated with those that want to kill you?

You realise that pretty much anything a Palestinian builds in their own villages counts as an 'illegal structure' because their occupiers don't give building permission to Palestinians. That's part of the ongoing apartheid in the occupied territories.

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