Bus shooting in Jerusalem

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https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/c4ge24r66r7t

My apologies a deadly shooting attack, not a bus attack as terrorists have used over the years against Israel

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Religions being equal in the UK…like Northern Ireland??? The Troubles weren’t really a shining example of religious tolerance 🤨

You understand that Israel is a religious state? It doesn’t excuse that sort of behaviour (spitting at anyone is gross and should be treated as assault) but it goes some way to explain it. There will be more extreme religious types in Israel than in the worldwide population. Tbh, I think spitting at people is a damned sight better than Jihads or executing people who don’t practice your religion the way you think they should but maybe that’s just me…

Your post I was responding to didn't say anything of the sort so that's clearly not what I'm doing. But you just carry on derailing the thread with the usual hyperbole and distorted personal accusations if you feel it achieves anything. Just make sure no-one mentions the Palestinian terrorists who shot up a bus full of innocent Israeli civilians today, killing six people and injuring twelve.

Maybe it feels like ‘incessant noise’ to you, but the reality on the ground isn’t noise- it’s the suffering of millions of civilians, half of them children. The slaughter of over 20,000 children, including at least 700+ infants under 12 months. That’s not an opinion- it’s what’s happening.

…and Hamas so could easily stop it all and get started on rebuilding their destroyed homeland while saving children’s lives and providing them with a future that isn’t based around death and martyrdom and yet they don’t.

Entire classrooms of Palestinian children have been slaughtered every single day for the last two years?

The propaganda took hold quickly and effectively. Hamas are more successful at brainwashing than Israel are in committing genocide.

HOW exactly could Hamas “stop it all”?

• November 2023: Hamas agreed to a ceasefire and released over 100 hostages, planning more, but Israel broke the ceasefire with bombings.

• February 2024: Hamas agreed to phased hostage releases; Israel rejected, demanding a permanent ceasefire.

• April 2024: Hamas proposed another deal similar to Israel’s, but Israel rejected it; US officials reported deliberate stalling.

• January 2025: Israel finally accepted a deal calling for all hostages to be released- but then launched surprise attacks, breaking their own agreement.

So, despite Israel’s narrative that this is “about the hostages,” the pattern suggests it’s being used to justify ongoing bombardment and consolidate political power. Even families of hostages say Israel is leveraging them as a political tool to extend the war- regardless of the risk to the hostages themselves.

If your sympathies are followed by a “but”, you’re not sympathetic.

Talk about it on one of the thousand other CITME threads that aren't about Israelis and Jews being murdered in terrorist attacks then?

It’s hard to sympathise with eight deaths when entire classrooms of Palestinian children are being killed daily. Hind Rajab, a five-year-old girl, shot at 355 times by an Israeli tank, left bleeding in a car for hours while begging for help, as paramedics trying to reach her were targeted and killed. Perhaps seeing the mutilated, bombed, or starved bodies of children every day on repeat for the last two years has depleted my reserves of sympathy.

So you have no place in your heart for innocent Israeli civilians. What an extraordinary admission.

Every single one of those threads, about the deaths of civilians, has been repeatedly full of ‘buts’.

It's not a numbers game. My sympathy and compassion for all the victims in this conflict is limitless because I'm not blinded by bigotry.

Do you have sympathy for the tens of thousands of civilians killed by Israel? The civilians whose tents in so-called safe zones have repeatedly been bombed and set alight? Or is there a “but” there?

Sympathy and truth aren’t mutually exclusive. You can care deeply about civilians while still holding leaders accountable for the scale of destruction they’re causing.

At this point, with entire neighbourhoods bombed and children killed daily, it’s likely anyone left is being radicalised simply by surviving.

I’ve never said I have no sympathy for innocent Israeli civilians. My point is that it’s hard to feel the same shock over eight deaths when entire classrooms of Palestinian children are being killed daily, repeatedly, for years.

Why?

Well exactly.

You're not covering yourself in much glory. If your empathy boils down to death by numbers, it's not really a good look. Even when you're advised posters are saddened by all fatalities, you still do the whataboutery on Palestinian deaths. Do you not read what they are saying?

Have you not read any of the many threads on Palestinian civilian deaths in CITME? The same users spend hours every single day filling them with whataboutary.

Apparently, some see Palestinians as expendable, and the deaths of 28+ children a day as just ‘war.’ That’s horrifying.

Danger, you don’t cover yourself in glory when you excuse hundreds of deaths each week.

I literally just said I did. You don't appear to be reading my posts.

I'm not on any CITME threads about Palestinian civilian deaths because I have no interest in trying to have a discussion with people repeating the same things over and over again without any insight or progression.

Not even Hamas proclaiming the shooting and killing of a pregnant Israeli on her way to the hospital to give birth last year as "heroic" and exhorting all Palestinians to carry on the "resistance" by killing more Jewish women and their unborn children dented my sympathy for Palestinian civilians caught up in this nightmare.

There are vast numbers of people all around the world who've suffered terribly and experienced catastrophic loss and trauma without becoming radicalised because they want to move forward and build a new life. I'm always curious as to why some people are so keen for the Palestinians to continue to follow an uncompromisingly destructive path above all others when it consistently leads to ruin.

It’s ironic that you accuse me of not reading your posts, when you admit you don’t read any threads about Palestinian civilian deaths. That seems to be exactly the sort of selective attention that prevents any genuine discussion about the scale of suffering on the ground.

You genuinely expect 2 million people to have thousands of tonnes of bombs dropped on them, entire families erased from records, watch their babies get shot in the head and for none of them to be radicalised?

It's ironic that you're still not reading my posts properly and instead replying to what you think I've said in some alternative imaginary conversation where I'm being schooled on the situation "on the ground". I didn't say I don't read those threads, I said I'm not on them, as in I don't engage on them. I'm completely aware of the scale of suffering but there's no genuine or insightful discussion of it to be found on 99% of CITME so I have those discussions elsewhere.

You're castigating me for things I haven't said or done and for opinions I don't hold. This is pointless so I'm going to avoid further derailment and focus on the thread topic: the latest reports are that six people were killed and more than twenty injured, six of those seriously. My thoughts are with all the victims and their families.

And yet where is your condemnation of Hamas who started and continue all this, if you care so much.

I was criticised in another thread for saying pro-Palestinians highlight the very worst of humanity. I have to say, I've not seen anything in this thread that's changed my mind