IDF bombs Nasser hospital and then bombs the rescue worker a second time.

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It is so sickening that they continue to act with such impunity. The bombed the hospital killing four journalists and THEN struck a second time killing the rescue workers who were trying to retrieve the bodies of the dead and injured.

The genocide continues in plain sight.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cp89rp48246o

Medical staff including many British and Americans have totally refuted the claims you are making here, how would you know better than them? Have you worked in a Gaza hospital? And there is never justification for bombing hospitals anyway.

It's irrelevant whether there was a camera.
The presence of a camera does not justify killing 20 people.

It's an overreaction on an extreme level and tells us everything we need to know about how little the IDF care about civilians. How expendable Palestinian lives are.

Then the double tap being blamed on a rifle scope. Again, it's dispropritate to bond somewhere because of this. Use a sniper to shoot someone behind the gun, sure. Send in troops yourself, fair enough. Bomb the entire building - callous disregard for human life.

That's if these excuses are even real. Pathetic.

How would medical staff working in a hospital know better than the IDF why they were targeting that surveillance camera?

And why would the staff be British and American if all the foreign doctors were ordered to leave before the strike as posted by @Martymcfly24

But what I don’t understand is why there was so much collateral damage. They say it was to take out the camera. Two bombs were used to take out this tactical threat. Lots of people were caught up in the bomb - it killed 4 health workers, 5 journalists and who knows how many innocent people. The IDF have named 6 terrorists also killed in the attack (not targets, just ‘good’ collateral damage).

So, my questions are why two bombs for a camera? The attached photo is an Israeli strike of an Iranian official who was asleep in bed. Scarily precise. Even the windows nearby are intact. They chose to be targeted then. Why not use similar tactics for a camera in Gaza? Why see a threat on a hospital and not take every possible step to reduce civilian death/injury?

If the strike was against people attacking them, I understand that war can be messy. By this threat was ‘neutral’ in that it was fixed and able to be targeted. I appreciate you don’t have the answers to this but I cannot get the skill of the Israeli army out of my head and I don’t understand why that same precision wasn’t deployed on a camera.

My second question is re the 6 men killed. Alleged Hamas members - potentially a win for the IDF. But I wonder how they have those names and details of their deaths from an area they are not active in. Maybe drones? So, if they do have details of all the people the strike killed, why do they not have some idea of the civilian cost of this war. They tell us (fairly) that the Hamas figures are totally wrong. So why not share the actual count and reshape the narrative.

For me, the 6 Hamas members the IDF listed don’t explain away this strike because they weren’t the target. They don’t excuse the tactics or make the other deaths acceptable. I don’t understand why such a destructive force would be used against a camera when they have shown such skill in minimising collateral damage.

Are you still trying to defend the IDF's actions that have been condemned by almost every single ally?

You clearly stated that hamas run the hospitals, again you know that Doctors and other healthcare staff have refuted those sorts allegations, again I will ask you why you think you know better than them? Can you answer that?

So, my questions are why two bombs for a camera?

@PinkBobby I read the same from analysts on MSM yesterday. That Israel is going to have a very difficult time trying to excuse using the intense munitions they did even if they did think there was a 'Hamas camera' there. And the 'double tap strike' designed for maximum harm for a camera on a hospital?? It is a war crime.

Some people will go through all sorts of mental gymnastics to justify the IDF's genocidal actions.

I disagree it's irrelevant whether there was a Hamas surveillance camera installed on hospital grounds to monitor Israeli troop movements.

I can totally understand why the IDF would seek to neutralise this camera and so ordered a drone strike on it.

The IDF say 18 people got killed, though maybe you prefer to accept Hamas numbers. Of those they say 10 were Hamas operatives and they have formally identified 6 including one active on 7/10.

Does that justify the loss of innocent lives? I'm not sure. But it's very different to 20 innocent people getting killed over the sake of a camera as some on here like to pretend.

Like clockwork it seems the new Hasbara talking points have been issued to be spread and absolve the IDF of any wrong doing.

The fact that the IDF are going to all this trouble only lends support to the rumour that some people in Trump’s administration are extremely unhappy with this incident. Bombing people on live TV is not a good look.

P.s. If the IDF "targets" people who well already killed elsewhere and on the previous day does it magically become justified?

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It wasn't two bombs for a camera.

If you really care to understand what it was then read the link I posted to the other thread - it was a drone strike to neutralise the surveillance camera followed by tank shells upon sighting the rifle scope. It was the tank shells that ultimately caused the deaths.

You may scoff - oh the IDF thought they saw a rifle scope so went in hard... but look at the evidence of the fact at least 6 Hamas militants were killed who had been operating out of the hospital.

I call bullshit. The IDF are fucking psychos and I'm so glad that people are finally seeing it.

The only predictable thing is you popping up to accuse Israel supporters of spreading "the new Hasbara talking points."

To some of us, the truth matters and personal attacks don't change that.

Well with that fine military analysis of you calling bullshit, I'm sure there is no argument.

https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cd6n97gj1nqo

You should read this? The IDF claim there was a 'Hamas camera' to justify their double tap strike whilst providing no evidence for this claim. The usual IDF bullshit.

Thanks, it's good to be predictable and put on the record that the IDF talking points are disputed.

This will be extremely important in the future when the inevitable legal cases are brought.

Indeed!

In its statement, the IDF said it identified a camera positioned by Hamas in the area of the hospital "used to observe the activity of IDF troops", without providing evidence.

And this. Killing 20 people whilst targeting a 'Hamas camera and because some trigger happy soldier thought they spotted a rifle. Can't fucking believe people are still trying to justify these genocidal psychos.

https://www.itv.com/watch/news/gaza-hospital-attack-branded-indefensible-as-israel-claims-hamas-camera-was-target/gq82psn

Have you ever noticed the term "Hamas run health ministry" when the BBC etc are reporting about what happens in hospitals? Hamas are the government body that runs hospitals.

Local doctors and nurses in Gaza are employed by Hamas like doctors and nurses in England are employed by the NHS (unless they work in private sector).

It would have been fair to label them "trigger happy" if no Hamas militants had been found but actually they were. At least 6 of them.

Surprising to me that you are still saying "thought they spotted a rifle" when it now appears there would have been at least 6 rifles.

You're living in a dream world if you think people need to be given "talking points" to question the way the anti Israel people present events.

And yes, I am using that term not the one that was being discussed last night of Pro Palestinian.

@Twiglets1 So it was meant to be a drone strike on the camera. That makes more sense. But ended with 4 tank shells being used - 2 to get rid of the camera/rifle sight spotting and then two more when armed people (maybe 6 of them) were spotted?

I think the decision (and I accept I am not a military expert) to use 2 shells for the initial threat in that area and then two more shells for the 6 armed people seems disproportionate. Mostly because the second strike came when people were helping those from the first hit. If medics, journalists or civilians rush in to help injured people, I think sending two more tank shells totally disregards the definite risk of civilian casualties even if armed people are there. War is messy, as we say, but you can’t just send in the heavy stuff and disregard civilians in the area. Maybe this is the consequence of having poor reservists in a war they shouldn’t be dragged into.

At this point, I am too suspicious of the IDF spin to take their investigation as fact. I don’t think IDF can be trusted to share facts just as I don’t think Hamas can be. I think that’s the issue with this conflict. We’re all muddling around looking for truth when no one is actually telling it.