IDF bombs Nasser hospital and then bombs the rescue worker a second time.

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It is so sickening that they continue to act with such impunity. The bombed the hospital killing four journalists and THEN struck a second time killing the rescue workers who were trying to retrieve the bodies of the dead and injured.

The genocide continues in plain sight.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cp89rp48246o

It has been said many times that while bombing a hospital is normally a war crime, there are exceptions which is why it is important to wait until all facts are known before labelling events war crimes (it is for courts to decide after the war).

What does humanitarian law say about hospitals?

According to Mathilde Philip Gay an expert in international law, “It is forbidden to turn recognised civilian hospitals into a conflict zone. It is also forbidden to use civilian populations, the sick or the injured as human shields, it is a war crime, as is fighting from inside a hospital.”

But it makes an exception if the targets are “military objectives”. Philip-Gay said that “if a civilian hospital is used for acts harmful to the enemy, that is the legal term used”, the hospital can lose its protected status under international law and be considered a legitimate target.

It is widely accepted that Hamas has an extensive tunnel network across Gaza.

Karim Khan, the chief prosecutor at the ICC, wrote in the Guardian: “For those responsible for targeting and firing missiles, I wish to be clear on three points in particular.
One: in relation to every dwelling house, in relation to any school, any hospital, any church, any mosque – those places are protected, unless the protective status has been lost because they are being used for military purposes.
Two: if there is a doubt that a civilian object has lost its protective status, the attacker must assume that it is protected.
Three: the burden of demonstrating that this protective status is lost rests with those who fire the gun, the missile, or the rocket in question.

“In this context, I would also underline that the indiscriminate firing of rockets from Gaza into Israel may represent breaches of international humanitarian law subject to the jurisdiction of the ICC.”

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2023/nov/17/can-hospitals-be-military-targets-international-law-israel-gaza-al-shifa

Over 700 'exceptions'...

No one is buying this any more

It's for the courts to decide after the war not us on MN.

No, what I said came from sky news who had done their own research.

Again, you show that you either haven't read the article.or are purposefully misleading. I'm not sure which. Either way, it's defending genocide, so does it really matter.

It's not "defending genocide" to point out that there are at least 2 versions of what happened and we don't know the truth yet.

If something happens almost daily for years, it's by definition not an exception.

You don't need a court to determine that. It's common sense wise of language.

An investigation afterwards (likely a whitewash) will not bring back the tens of thousands of people whose slaughter you are justifying.

And yet funnily enough it is courts who decide if war crimes have been committed not social media

There is without doubt war crimes that have been carried out by Hamas and the Israeli government/IDF.

You don't need to be a specialist to know that. How can anyone deny that Israel haven't carried out war crimes?

I'm not denying that Israel have carried out war crimes (probably) just pointing out that only courts can determine what is a war crime and what isn't. They will need to look at all the evidence re this incident & others before coming to their conclusions.

I think splitting hairs over what is / is not a war crime is slightly disgusting at this point. The objective fact is that roughly 50, 000 children have been slaughtered by the idf and they were not Hamas members. This is without getting into the number orphaned, traumatised or left as amputees but that is what happens when you drop giant bombs on densely populated civilian areas, I don’t need a court to tell me this is wrong

Apologies my figure is wrong should read 18,000 killed,
50,000 is the rough estimate of killed and injured
still horrifying figure 18, 000 too many
sorry tired

Killed and injured children

Bombing a hospital is a war crime.

The IDF bombed Nasser hospital multiple times. Multiple IDF members committing multiple war crimes.

"We thought we saw a suspicious camera" is no justification. Nor is "we were only following orders".

“If a civilian hospital is used for acts harmful to the enemy… the hospital can lose its protected status under international law and be considered a legitimate target”.

It will be for the courts to decide after this war whether any hospitals targeted by the IDF could be said to have been used for acts harmful to the enemy.

Hamas have undermined the protected status of hospitals in Gaza by building tunnels directly underneath them for moving around, holding weapons etc. Or in this case by positioning a camera for surveillance purposes ( if they did & that will be for the court to decide). You & I don’t know if Hamas did or didn’t use the camera for this purpose.

I only have rudimentary knowledge of IHL but it’s a camera wouldn’t be a good enough reason, even it was “a Hamas camera” - it’s a piece of equipment, it wouldn’t be a military threat. There are also other laws around protecting civilians and proportionality that would be broken here too.

Are you talking about the ICJ case? That could take years. It’s will be no good now. States need to decide now and take action accordingly.

The surveillance of what the IDF are doing would be the military threat if used for military intelligence purposes - not the camera itself which is clearly just a piece of equipment. Mind you so are guns just pieces of equipment. As the slogan goes, guns don’t kill people, people do.

I wasn’t talking about a specific case, No. Though I do think the investigations after the war could roll on for a very long time, unfortunately.

If the camera was such a great threat, (keeping in mind there had been a live stream by reuters camera man there for awhile now) the logical thing to do would be to call the hospital and ask them to remove it. Not bomb the hospital with four strikes! Its fucking mental.

I don’t think it would be sufficient. And even if it was, a warning could have been issued. Also reading that they hit the hospital four times in quick succession so proportionality and distinction of civilians would also come into play here.

I think this is a war crime that can’t be explained away or covered up very easily because it’s on camera. The evidence is very strong and the excuses are very weak.

I hope Israel does face some accountability. But for now, decisions can only be made on the information available.

You are entitled to your opinion. But it won’t be decided on what you or I think.

Yes they should ring hamas up and ask them to remove their surveillance cameras. They should also ring them up and ask them to release the hostages.

I don't think these phone requests work tbh.

It may be the one thing that teams of negotiators from all those different countries teams have never considered … a quick phone call to Hamas to ask them to kindly stop doing what they’re doing.

The hospital staff said in the sky news report that previously when the IDF were not happy about reporting or alike they would ring the hospital and they would sort it out so no need to be obtuse about it.

And it was actually four strikes.

https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cly6lxn1l4po

IDF are sick bastards to bomb a hospital with four strikes because of the reuters camera.

The world can see how barbaric their actions are.