Hamas ‘death culture’ beyond comprehension, says founder’s son

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Hamas’s embrace of “death culture” is beyond comprehension for much of the world, Mosab Hassan Yousef, the eldest son of Sheikh Hassan Yousef, the founder of the terrorist group, told JNS on Tuesday.

“It is not just the West, it’s also the East. It is beyond understanding that some people are willing to sacrifice human life for political gains, or worse for financial gains. I am a living example of this. My father had to choose between his eldest son and the cause and he chose the cause,” said Yousef.

“There is no parent in the world that would go into a fight that would put their own children in harm’s way. Hamas did the opposite. They went and dragged Israel in the most brutal fight of our time, knowing children would pay the price. This shows you their hypocrisy,” he continued.

“It’s the same game with pro-Palestinians worldwide. Everybody cries for the children on one hand, and on the other they are pushing Palestinian indoctrination which leads to the death of children. And then when children die, they blame Israel,” he added.

www.jns.org/hamas-death-culture-beyond-comprehension-says-founders-son/

@PaxAeterna your username is a bit of a misnomer.

Irish people have had the experience of seeing terrorists become peacemakers once there was an alternative on offer. That’s just our experience. So the ongoing conflict and the very creation and sustain in of Hamas is largely put on Israel’s door.

Really?! that's actually sick.

Got to love John Lydon 💗

https://www.thejc.com/news/former-sex-pistol-john-lydon-defends-israel-and-calls-hamas-just-jew-exterminators-fsjg329g

What is sick exactly?

I’m not sure what John Lydon has to do with the price of fish but his views on the Trump Gaza videos do not align with my own to say the least.

Of course. But not one that I feel compelled to mention every single time I respond to a point about Israel (like your bewilderment that people blame them for all the dead Palestinian civilians, just because they happened to be the ones that killed them), as if no criticism of Israel can ever be made without "both sidesing" it.

I'm not bewildered that people hold the Israel government accountable for the war deaths. I'm just surprised that most people seem to hold them more accountable than the government on the other side (if you can call them that) - Hamas.

Israel didn't just go to war on a whim one day. They were attacked.

What is sick exactly?

The bit I quoted from you:
So the ongoing conflict and the very creation and sustain in of Hamas is largely put on Israel’s door.
Israel didn't "create" Hamas. It's just one of a many-headed monster (the Muslim Brotherhood) that goes back a long way - active in Gaza since the 1950s, but also influential in Jordan, Syria, Sudan and Tunisia, among others.

By "sustaining" (?) Hamas, maybe you're referring to Netanyahu's efforts to offer them economic incentives in the hope that they would drop their genocidal intentions towards Israel? The fact that this policy backfired spectacularly doesn't point to their existence being Israel's fault. That's a blinkered view and an oversimplification. However much you want to see them that way (and they will do everything in their power to encourage you to do so), Hamas is not simply a mirror of Irish republicanism or anti-colonial resistance - it's much, much darker than that.

Or have I misunderstood you? I've seen such antisemitic views thrown around casually on MN that I might be oversensitive these days!

I lobbed in John Lydon because he sees Hamas for what they really are, much as he did with Jimmy Savile (another perverse entity with great PR).

Israel created the conditions for terrorism and then Netanyahu seemed to sustain Hamas because it meant that a Palestinian state would never come to pass as long as Hamas were in power. This does not excuse what Hamas did and what Hamas did, does not excuse what Israel is doing now.

You are conflating support for the Palestinians with support for terrorism. I do not think that Hamas is a mirror of Irish republicanism. I do not support Hamas and I do not and have never supported modern republican terrorism and neither has a majority of the Irish population. I think the Irish people have empathy with the Palestinian people because of all the reasons that I have mentioned, being colonised, being oppressed, being starved. Settler projects, partition. Also later on being interned without a trial. There are loads of similarities.

Some of these similarities pre date Israel. The Black and Tans (a police force) that terrorised the Irish were then sent to Mandatory Palestine afterwards. Even the Balfour declaration’s aim was described as creating “a little loyal Jewish Ulster in a sea of potentially hostile Arabism.” By a British diplomat.

The situation is not exactly the same of course. But there is no doubt that when the British took over mandatory Palestine they used some of the same methods that they had used in Ireland.

Thanks for clarifying, @PaxAeterna! 😊

I'm just a bit twitchy about viewing this messy and brutal Middle Eastern conflict through any kind of Western lens of interpretation, because some of the drivers of it (including Netanyahu, not just Hamas!) are literally beyond our comprehension.

(edited to add: but I'm especially concerned that people underestimate just how vicious Hamas are... I mean, Israel underestimated them too...!)

With apologies for not engaging with the whole thread - I accept what your quote says: in short, Hamas is an aggressive religious organisation committed to jihad at all costs. It is part of an international network of such organisations, which is powerful and well-funded. These organisations suppress and punish dissenters most viciously: it's pointless to ask why citizens don't oppose them. Have you seen how Iran treats those who defy the smallest government rule?

They will not stop; they can only be held back. If you eliminated one branch, another would replace it. It's a problem.

But this is also why bombing the fuck out of Gaza won't solve the problem. All it can do is eliminate humanity from this coveted strip of land, making it available for resettlement. Since Israel can't, at this point, claim to be acting in self-defence or even revenge, it must either be pursuing the latest phase in a millennia-old 'holy' war or using that as a pretext to take the land.

Israel ain't gonna take on all the militant and fundamentalist Muslim authorities across Africa, Arabia, Eurasia and 'the Global South'. That would call for a worldwide war of ideologies, which isn't an option at this time. So the only rational conclusion is that Israel's killing all the Palestinians because it wants their land.

This does not arouse much sympathy.

Why would Israel take on all the militant and fundamentalist Muslim authorities across Africa, Arabia, Eurasia and 'the Global South' ?

That isn't their business. The business of the Israel government is to protect their citizens and they have invested a lot of money and effort into doing this (such as the Iron Dome).

Nevertheless, Hamas still present a danger which was clearly shown on 7/10. That is why they are trying to eradicate Hamas from Gaza.

Israel has astoundingly good defences. 7/10 happened due to human inattention (or misogyny, depending whose account you prefer). As I said, its current actions cannot reasonably be described as defensive. And it's had more than sufficient payment in blood.

Why would Israel take on all the militant and fundamentalist Muslim authorities across Africa, Arabia, Eurasia and 'the Global South' ?

Are you just pretending not to have read my reply? Israel would have to do that if it were fighting the 'holy war' - which, clearly, it is not doing and couldn't do alone.

I have zero doubt that Hamas is vicious. What I do very much doubt is that Israel is destroying Gaza and killing, starving and maiming civilians with the sole goal of eradicating Hamas. They clearly have other goals that I do not support, ensuring that Gaza can never function in any form, ensuring a Palestinian state is never a possibility and “cleansing” the land of Palestinians and perhaps even genocide - that’s up to the courts to decide.

I have not heard it phrased that Netanyahu is fighting a "holy war." As far as I can see he is mainly fighting to rid Gaza of Hamas because they keep attacking Israel.

Your tone is a bit "off" with regard to the sentence Are you just pretending not to have read my reply? so I will leave it there.

The Jewish people have never engaged in holy war. What on earth are you talking about.

I'm interested to hear how more about your belief that Israel created the conditions for terrorism?

Give that the UN attempted to partition the land for Jewish and Arab Palestinians, and the Jewish accepted and became Israel, while the Arab did not accept and instead immediately went about trying to destroy Israel? They weren't agitating for more land, they were attempting to completely remove Jews from the land, entirely. A genocide, or ethnic cleansing- was what was intended.

And this attempted genocide on the brand new Israel was in the immediate shadow of the Holocaust. Holocaust survivors had made a new home there. What would you have had all these these new Israeli people do? Allow another genocide to finally wipe them out? Or defend their new home as decisively as possible?

All the oppression, blockade, wars have followed from that. Terror and killing was the way the Palestinians chose to protest what they saw as their land being partitioned. How else could Israel have responded?

So how does Israel get the blame for creating conditions for terrorism? Was the land a beacon of peace and harmony before Israel was born?

Watching any interview with Mosab Yousef is so interesting. He knows it all first hand, I'd love to see him go head to head with fools like Tom Fletcher or Jeremy Bowen and wipe the floor with them.

He knows absolutely what he is talking about and should be given platforms on our biased msm to tell the truth about 'genocide' and UN/ICP declared famine.

Hamas are the children of previous illegal occupation, displacement, attack and blockades. Did anyone really expect them to grow up to be reasonable and rational?

Hamas are what happens when a country is allowed to behave the way Isreal does.

Israel left them to it in 2005 removing all settlements and even bodies from cemeteries and look what a shit show hamas made of it.

The horror in gaza is what happens when terrorists run the place.

All of this, plus the fact that Israel withdrew from Gaza.
Hamas chos to continue to take the route of terrorism.

They continued to control their borders and bomb them - that’s hardly leaving them in peace. Honestly! Would you be cool with not being allowed in or out of a small landmass, not being allowed to have your own port or airport, being bombed intermittently - that’s hardly being left alone.

And the same people doing this murdered and displaced your grandparents generation, AND your parents generation and occasionally come along to blow up some kids playing on the beach. If you don’t want terrorist attacks don’t terrorise generations of people or you will turn traumatised people into terrorists.

I previously shared information on a documentary Tantura with Israeli soldiers who admit on tape that they massacred people when they arrived to Palestine in 1948 - they shot, incinerated and raped the local villagers. These horrific acts were committed by traumatised people who survived the holocaust - living through horrific events changes the brain and how it thinks. Treating people as less than won’t endear them to you, it just perpetuates the cycle of violence. The majority of adults in Gaza have grown up with ptsd from previous bombings, now there is another generation of kids suffering the same fate - this helps Hamas recruit!

Give that the UN attempted to partition the land for Jewish and Arab Palestinians, and the Jewish accepted and became Israel, while the Arab did not accept and instead immediately went about trying to destroy Israel? They weren't agitating for more land, they were attempting to completely remove Jews from the land, entirely. A genocide, or ethnic cleansing- was what was intended.

That's completely ahistorical nonsense. There had always been a jewish minority in Palestine and the Arab nations expressed no intention to "completely remove" them. Although obviously they didn't support the mass immigration of a group dedicated to Zionist separatism or the massively inflated size of the land given them to create Lebensraum for their future generations.

The Arab nations simply wanted the British to fulfil their mandate, as had been done in the other ex-Ottoman territories, of creating the structures for a single unitary state representing all its citizens.

Hamas isn’t the only organisation to deliberately use children in war - I have images in my head of various conflicts with armed childen

and often the children are easy to recruit - one story that stayed with me is that of a 9 year old child who had grown up outwith Hamas - but joined them when his best mate was gunned down by an Israeli soldier for no clear reason

Unfortunately I have noticed that the most vocal pro-Palestine voices in Ireland are the standard champagne socialists and a bit hard of thinking. They tend to be young and quite privileged, or work in the arts, media, civil service where wrongthink on various issues is a hanging event. Which is ironic, given that Hamas would hang them all in a heartbeat, especially the 'queer' ones.

The rest of the Irish population are quietly or less quietly horrified by the slaughter of civilians by Israel. Israel has forever stained its honour and reputation in the world and if they thought they were hated before, they will be loathed for generations now. Prior to the current massacre most right-thinking people would have quietly supported Israel in defending their borders. Instead the current government allowed the Israeli equivalent of the British 'gammon' to rage unchecked seizing land and murdering farmers.

For what it's worth, I agree with the article that you shared OP and I think he's an important voice in this arena. I think Israel have been utter fools to behave so deplorably. Utter, utter fools. They walked straight into the PR trap Hamas set. Now bored, lost, overindulged 'folx' all over the world have ended up cheering for a death cult.

And the use of the german nationalist/nazi word lebensraum? What is your motivation there?

So why did they go to war against them to remove them? What was the aim of the war that the Arab League declared on the new state of Israel?

If, as you say, they didn't wish to remove them, then why not just declare their own state and start building a future for their children?