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PinkBobby · 22/08/2025 22:48

@Dangermoo i blame Israel because if enough food was entering Gaza (which is up to Israel) and Israel allowed a proper humanitarian aid set up then this wouldn’t be happening.

Speaking of men, are you ready to discuss Smotrich saying that the population of Gaza would be “concentrated” in a narrow strip of land in the south of Gaza. The rest of Gaza will be “empty” and that “They will be totally despairing, understanding that there is no hope and nothing to look for in Gaza, and will be looking for relocation to begin a new life in other places.”

You go very quiet when I ask you about this yet it seems similar to what is actually happening in Gaza. This is the same man who announced a new settlement that would “kill the de facto Palestinian state.” Not so much a saviour complex, just calling our hatred when I see it.

Dangermoo · 22/08/2025 22:49

SpaceRaccoon · 22/08/2025 22:45

Well I suppose they would when they are out the clutches of Hamas.

I hope it's that and not because they are actually Hamas-connected and now in Europe. Let's hope Belgium has vetted better than France did.

Absolutely. When nations are empathetic, it's quite disheartening to see them having it thrown back in their faces.

Dangermoo · 22/08/2025 22:50

PinkBobby · 22/08/2025 22:48

@Dangermoo i blame Israel because if enough food was entering Gaza (which is up to Israel) and Israel allowed a proper humanitarian aid set up then this wouldn’t be happening.

Speaking of men, are you ready to discuss Smotrich saying that the population of Gaza would be “concentrated” in a narrow strip of land in the south of Gaza. The rest of Gaza will be “empty” and that “They will be totally despairing, understanding that there is no hope and nothing to look for in Gaza, and will be looking for relocation to begin a new life in other places.”

You go very quiet when I ask you about this yet it seems similar to what is actually happening in Gaza. This is the same man who announced a new settlement that would “kill the de facto Palestinian state.” Not so much a saviour complex, just calling our hatred when I see it.

I 'go quiet' when I seen certain posters and their patterns. I don't think I need expand on that.

SomeWomanSomewhere · 22/08/2025 22:51

Dangermoo · 22/08/2025 22:34

How is that assertion legally untenable?

Legally untenable as in - see my first post on this thread - the assertion that "if Israel wanted to commit genocide it would have done so already" [paraphrased] ignores the entire history of what has and has not been deemed genocide and how and why. Either via formal legal findings or by scientific consensus.

A legal finding of genocide just doesn't require "everyone being dead in minimum time". The actual legal requirement is that some act or acts were carried out with the specific intent of destroying in whole or in part a group as a group. The legal threshold here is extremely high in that it requires the so-called dolus specialis (specific intent). This is why, in the case of the Yugoslav wars, only the isolated case of Srebrenica was eventually found to legally constitute genocide. And Serbia as a state only guilty of "failing to prevent" rather than perpetrating.

A more social science or Lemkin based reading is far broader and would (and does), using the same example, characterise genocide as any action(s) designed to destroy a group as a group.

My core point being, once again, "but everyone wasn't exterminated already" is not an argument against something being genocide. Not even in the legal sense.

Notably: I think we can all agree that Nazi Germany, as a state, committed genocide?! We might want to debate over whether it was one or several (i.e. one per group) but not the general consensus.

Legally? There has never been a finding/verdict that said Nazi Germany committed genocide!

EmeraldShamrock000 · 22/08/2025 22:51

Martymcfly24 · 22/08/2025 22:41

Could you show some example of these images? I haven't seen any like this most images are videos of men carrying dead babies or helping out after attacks in chaotic circumstances. Would be very hard to see their physical attributes.

It isn't one particular image, different media photos and videos.
It is an observation.
Maybe I'm wrong, possible some people have really very slow metabolism.

Dangermoo · 22/08/2025 22:53

EmeraldShamrock000 · 22/08/2025 22:51

It isn't one particular image, different media photos and videos.
It is an observation.
Maybe I'm wrong, possible some people have really very slow metabolism.

😆 🤣 your last line.

PinkBobby · 22/08/2025 22:55

EmeraldShamrock000 · 22/08/2025 22:37

@PinkBobby I understand that, though shouldn't the men show signs of being malnourished, visible cheekbones, muscle loss, a lot of them look healthy, lean forearms, colour in their cheeks.

Like others, I have not been checking photos of a war zone for how thin people are. I actually find the idea of browsing through photos of people in a war zone and judging their appearance quite disturbing.

I’m pretty sure the experts do more than look at photos when deciding if there is a famine and the experts have declared there is one. As have numerous charities and medical workers in the area. I’m much happier relying on experts who study this stuff than people looking at photos and making judgements on traumatised peoples’ appearances.

Please remember there are 2m+ people in Gaza. You cannot judge the situation based on photos you see in the media. I would recommend you read expert analysis of the situation instead.

PinkBobby · 22/08/2025 22:56

Dangermoo · 22/08/2025 22:50

I 'go quiet' when I seen certain posters and their patterns. I don't think I need expand on that.

The only pattern I see is you avoiding discussing people like Smotrich.

Martymcfly24 · 22/08/2025 22:57

EmeraldShamrock000 · 22/08/2025 22:51

It isn't one particular image, different media photos and videos.
It is an observation.
Maybe I'm wrong, possible some people have really very slow metabolism.

Share them so .

It's the basis of your whole argument so you obviously have seen lots .

And your last line is not funny no matter what other posters think. There are children gone to bed tonight in Gaza suffering the effects of extreme malnutrition.

There is a complex physiological response to this crisis including reduced heart rate, inability to regulate temperature, inability to regulate blood sugars, slowing down intestinal function, slowing down of activity and cognition, profound tiredness, eventually progressing to disordered consciousness, and ultimately death,”

Dangermoo · 22/08/2025 22:58

PinkBobby · 22/08/2025 22:56

The only pattern I see is you avoiding discussing people like Smotrich.

Bit like you being selective in discerning those who look like victims of starvation - or not.

EmeraldShamrock000 · 22/08/2025 22:59

Aren't you concerned that the tiny amount of aid getting in, is going to the leaders to eat first? Causing further starvation.

PinkBobby · 22/08/2025 23:02

Dangermoo · 22/08/2025 22:58

Bit like you being selective in discerning those who look like victims of starvation - or not.

Like I said, I refuse to flick through photos of people in a war zone and judge how they look. I’ll trust the experts to assess malnutrition as a medical issue and accept their findings as and when they come.

Dangermoo · 22/08/2025 23:02

SomeWomanSomewhere · 22/08/2025 22:51

Legally untenable as in - see my first post on this thread - the assertion that "if Israel wanted to commit genocide it would have done so already" [paraphrased] ignores the entire history of what has and has not been deemed genocide and how and why. Either via formal legal findings or by scientific consensus.

A legal finding of genocide just doesn't require "everyone being dead in minimum time". The actual legal requirement is that some act or acts were carried out with the specific intent of destroying in whole or in part a group as a group. The legal threshold here is extremely high in that it requires the so-called dolus specialis (specific intent). This is why, in the case of the Yugoslav wars, only the isolated case of Srebrenica was eventually found to legally constitute genocide. And Serbia as a state only guilty of "failing to prevent" rather than perpetrating.

A more social science or Lemkin based reading is far broader and would (and does), using the same example, characterise genocide as any action(s) designed to destroy a group as a group.

My core point being, once again, "but everyone wasn't exterminated already" is not an argument against something being genocide. Not even in the legal sense.

Notably: I think we can all agree that Nazi Germany, as a state, committed genocide?! We might want to debate over whether it was one or several (i.e. one per group) but not the general consensus.

Legally? There has never been a finding/verdict that said Nazi Germany committed genocide!

The genocide, by the nazis, didn't need categorical conclusion; the sequence of events, spoke for themselves. This comparison is never going to wash.

Zonder · 22/08/2025 23:03

Dangermoo · 22/08/2025 22:50

I 'go quiet' when I seen certain posters and their patterns. I don't think I need expand on that.

That sounds remarkably like you have no sensible response to the pp.

Martymcfly24 · 22/08/2025 23:04

PinkBobby · 22/08/2025 23:02

Like I said, I refuse to flick through photos of people in a war zone and judge how they look. I’ll trust the experts to assess malnutrition as a medical issue and accept their findings as and when they come.

Ah @PinkBobby the only experts that are in the know are the ones here who have seen the pictures....

Dangermoo · 22/08/2025 23:04

PinkBobby · 22/08/2025 23:02

Like I said, I refuse to flick through photos of people in a war zone and judge how they look. I’ll trust the experts to assess malnutrition as a medical issue and accept their findings as and when they come.

Of course you will. Well I like to combine the naked eye, with a range of impartial expertise.

Nite.

Zonder · 22/08/2025 23:04

Dangermoo · 22/08/2025 22:53

😆 🤣 your last line.

Goodness, not many people find any of this amusing.

Thankfully.

Ethelflaedofmercia · 22/08/2025 23:05

Hamas is the root cause of this.

Dangermoo · 22/08/2025 23:06

Zonder · 22/08/2025 23:03

That sounds remarkably like you have no sensible response to the pp.

That sounds like you've no understanding of how forums work. Not everybody needs to agree and trust each other.

Martymcfly24 · 22/08/2025 23:06

Zonder · 22/08/2025 23:04

Goodness, not many people find any of this amusing.

Thankfully.

Its not amusing at all, in fact it shows once again the dehumanisation of Palestinians.

Even in their lowest moments they are reduced to being the subject of ridicule.

Martymcfly24 · 22/08/2025 23:07

Dangermoo · 22/08/2025 23:06

That sounds like you've no understanding of how forums work. Not everybody needs to agree and trust each other.

Or answer questions...

PinkBobby · 22/08/2025 23:07

EmeraldShamrock000 · 22/08/2025 22:59

Aren't you concerned that the tiny amount of aid getting in, is going to the leaders to eat first? Causing further starvation.

Some aid with undoubtedly be going to Hamas members. Whether they hide in plain sight at aid hubs or loot aid, it’s inevitable. It is a common occurrence in conflict zones. The UN lost a huge amount of aid in the DRC earlier this year to rebels, for example.

But, there was no evidence of systemic stealing of aid which would need to be there if Hamas was stealing enough aid to control the flow of food to the whole population.

It is important to add that the cutting off of aid by Israel earlier in the year is what really intensified this issue. Without a huge flood of aid, it is very hard to get so many people properly fed again. Israel cut off the aid and created the deficit. They now need to do everything they can to reverse the impact that decision had on the innocent people in Gaza.

Dangermoo · 22/08/2025 23:07

Zonder · 22/08/2025 23:04

Goodness, not many people find any of this amusing.

Thankfully.

Oh lighten up will you. Maybe I will see your empathy on the hostages thread? Nah, I doubt it.

Dangermoo · 22/08/2025 23:07

Martymcfly24 · 22/08/2025 23:07

Or answer questions...

Nite 😴

Martymcfly24 · 22/08/2025 23:08

Dangermoo · 22/08/2025 23:07

Nite 😴

You said that already.

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