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Conflict in the Middle East

Israeli security cabinet expected to approve Gaza takeover plan

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Twiglets1 · 07/08/2025 10:18

Sky News report that Israel is expected to approve Benjamin Netanyahu's plan for a takeover of Gaza when the security cabinet meets later today.

According to the Times of Israel, the full cabinet is due to convene at 6pm local time, 4pm in the UK.

Israeli media are reporting that the plan could potentially span over five months, and it is likely to be aimed at destroying Hamas and pressuring it to free remaining hostages.

While some ministers have been critical of the plan, reports suggest Netanyahu is likely to secure a majority of support.

https://news.sky.com/story/gaza-latest-hostages-famine-aid-hamas-idf-war-palestine-state-live-13398805

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https://news.sky.com/story/gaza-latest-hostages-famine-aid-hamas-idf-war-palestine-state-live-13398805

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PinkBobby · 11/08/2025 10:40

ConscientiousObserver · 11/08/2025 10:32

Has the government make an announcement stating that they know better than the Israeli government and he was in fact just an innocent journalist?

This thread has a lot more evidence which makes for interesting reading.

https://x.com/EFischberger/status/1848810749969502647

Also this shows what Palestinians thought of him

https://x.com/amjadt25/status/1954657680028762128

I expect this terrorist vermin will be resting where he belongs.

Out of interest, why do you give either of these sources any ‘weight’. I know you distrust MSM sources and can understand why to varying degrees but what sets these commentators on X apart as more trustworthy/honest/less bias?

Kakeandkake · 11/08/2025 10:41

The first dodgy twitter link has already been debunked as not verified.

The second one from Amjad Taha is once again not proof of anything. Tell me you know nothing about Gaza without telling me you know nothing about Gaza.

Kakeandkake · 11/08/2025 10:42

PinkBobby · 11/08/2025 10:40

Out of interest, why do you give either of these sources any ‘weight’. I know you distrust MSM sources and can understand why to varying degrees but what sets these commentators on X apart as more trustworthy/honest/less bias?

They seem to think their twitter sources hold more weight than MSM.

Twiglets1 · 11/08/2025 10:43

EmeraldShamrock000 · 11/08/2025 10:38

Of course he would be branded as an islamic terrorist, isn't everyone a terrorist in Gaza according to some posters, the men, women, children, the dogs and cats, the birds, the insects, they're all Hamas.

See that is no longer a working excuse to justifies the murderous genocide being forced on people.

Many Jewish people are standing against this bloody genocide, the hardliners will continue with their support even when the truth is blindingly obvious.

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That’s completely false. Who has said they’re all terrorists including children?

Its hard to debate with people who just make things up.

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Twiglets1 · 11/08/2025 10:48

Kakeandkake · 11/08/2025 10:42

They seem to think their twitter sources hold more weight than MSM.

I’m not on X so always use mainstream media ( apart from commenting when another user has posted evidence from X).

This journalists own X account or posts on Telegram are interesting to me because they give insight into his own opinions.

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ConscientiousObserver · 11/08/2025 10:49

PinkBobby · 11/08/2025 10:40

Out of interest, why do you give either of these sources any ‘weight’. I know you distrust MSM sources and can understand why to varying degrees but what sets these commentators on X apart as more trustworthy/honest/less bias?

Maybe look at the threads and you may see why.

Evidence to back up facts kind of helps.

It’s quite easy to sift through the propaganda and bullshit if they demonstrate that.

Lots of stuff on X is not reported in MSM which generally has a one sided narrative, especially in this conflict, or it comes out later.

Like the Hamas operative based in London that was involved in Greta’s Freedom Flotilla a few months back. That was on X well before it was reported in MSM and only a few outlets reported it.

EmeraldShamrock000 · 11/08/2025 10:51

Twiglets1 · 11/08/2025 10:43

That’s completely false. Who has said they’re all terrorists including children?

Its hard to debate with people who just make things up.

How many children are in IDF prisons on terrorist charges, how many have been murdered, branded human shields, accused of hiding hamas, murdered seeking food, excuses to justify the deaths of 1000s of innocent children.

PinkBobby · 11/08/2025 10:57

Kakeandkake · 11/08/2025 10:42

They seem to think their twitter sources hold more weight than MSM.

@Kakeandkake despite the fact X is known for spreading so much disinformation. I just don’t understand the ability to disregard so many sources and then offer seemingly random X commentators as trustworthy. You can find evidence the earth is flat on X or that the queen was secretly a lizard. In my eyes, it is not somewhere to find the truth.

@Twiglets1 I've been on a few threads now and sadly there are people with the opinion that no one in Gaza is innocent (I don’t think I’ve seen anyone on here say such things though). I will have to check specifically who but there are also members of the Israeli government who appear to share these views.

Kakeandkake · 11/08/2025 11:00

I have seen people say that the ONLY innocents in Gaza are the children. Which was swiftly deleted by mumsnet.

ConscientiousObserver · 11/08/2025 11:01

Kakeandkake · 11/08/2025 10:41

The first dodgy twitter link has already been debunked as not verified.

The second one from Amjad Taha is once again not proof of anything. Tell me you know nothing about Gaza without telling me you know nothing about Gaza.

Which dodgy twitter link hasn’t been verified?

That reeks of desperation tbh!

Amjad Taha probably knows more about the region than you, I should wager.

That video clearly shows that locals were accusing the, now dead terrorist vermin pretend journalist, of refusing to cover anti Hamas demonstrations.

Kakeandkake · 11/08/2025 11:03

@ConscientiousObserver

No credible evidence to Israeli claim against journalist, says rights group chief
As we've been reporting, Israel has claimed one of the journalists it killed last night in Gaza was part of Hamas.
It has not made the same claim for the other four journalists killed in the same attack.
Jodie Ginsberg, the chief executive of the Committee to Protect Journalists, told us the group has yet to see "any credible evidence" to back the claim against Anas al Sharif.
"They've been making this claim for many, many months, most recently in the last couple of weeks following a report that Anas did on starvation in Gaza, in which he cried on air," she told our presenter Wilfred Frost.
"We've asked for evidence repeatedly from Israel."
Ginsberg said this is a "mechanism to discredit that journalist", to say "they weren't really a journalist, therefore you shouldn't believe anything that they say".

Wilfred Frost | Sky News

Wilfred Frost | Sky News

https://news.sky.com/author/wilfred-frost-948

Kakeandkake · 11/08/2025 11:04

I will take the words of the chief executive of the CPJ over your dodgy twitter links.

Kakeandkake · 11/08/2025 11:04

Yes those repeated unfounded accusations you keep posting do 'reek of desperation' as you said.

fffiona · 11/08/2025 11:05

Dangermoo · 07/08/2025 12:22

So, as for the hyperbole, around Gaza being a concentration camp, the plan will house civilians and provide access to essential services. Where do Israel's detractors expect civilians to go, in the absence of Palestinian neighbours taking them in - which we know will never happen. Of course, they get off without criticism for that. So, let's look at another alternative - Israel decides to up sticks and leave them all to it. They've got the financial resources to go elsewhere. While Hamas were busy building tunnels and setting booby traps, Israel got on with developing their infrastructure. Here's the question; what does anyone think will happen to Palestilians, if that were to happen? I will be reporting any posts, which compare Israel's official plan, to Nazi concentration camps. There were lots of accusations of misinformation, yesterday. Try posting by your own standards.

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You do realise that Gaza had infrastructure too - universities, schools, hospitals? Not any more.

ConscientiousObserver · 11/08/2025 11:06

PinkBobby · 11/08/2025 10:57

@Kakeandkake despite the fact X is known for spreading so much disinformation. I just don’t understand the ability to disregard so many sources and then offer seemingly random X commentators as trustworthy. You can find evidence the earth is flat on X or that the queen was secretly a lizard. In my eyes, it is not somewhere to find the truth.

@Twiglets1 I've been on a few threads now and sadly there are people with the opinion that no one in Gaza is innocent (I don’t think I’ve seen anyone on here say such things though). I will have to check specifically who but there are also members of the Israeli government who appear to share these views.

Let’s be honest, I’ve seen tonnes of posts on here using X or Instagram posts to back up their ‘facts’, the only time it’s ‘disinformation’ is when it doesn’t back up the pro-Palestinian/pro Hamas narrative.

ConscientiousObserver · 11/08/2025 11:08

Kakeandkake · 11/08/2025 11:04

Yes those repeated unfounded accusations you keep posting do 'reek of desperation' as you said.

Which dodgy Twitter link was unverified?

I can’t see a response.

Kakeandkake · 11/08/2025 11:09

ConscientiousObserver · 11/08/2025 11:08

Which dodgy Twitter link was unverified?

I can’t see a response.

The first one. Which posted a screen shot. Space raccoon already posted that above and it was already discussed.

ConscientiousObserver · 11/08/2025 11:09

Kakeandkake · 11/08/2025 11:03

@ConscientiousObserver

No credible evidence to Israeli claim against journalist, says rights group chief
As we've been reporting, Israel has claimed one of the journalists it killed last night in Gaza was part of Hamas.
It has not made the same claim for the other four journalists killed in the same attack.
Jodie Ginsberg, the chief executive of the Committee to Protect Journalists, told us the group has yet to see "any credible evidence" to back the claim against Anas al Sharif.
"They've been making this claim for many, many months, most recently in the last couple of weeks following a report that Anas did on starvation in Gaza, in which he cried on air," she told our presenter Wilfred Frost.
"We've asked for evidence repeatedly from Israel."
Ginsberg said this is a "mechanism to discredit that journalist", to say "they weren't really a journalist, therefore you shouldn't believe anything that they say".

Well they have totally discredited themselves.

How embarrassing.

Cinnyris · 11/08/2025 11:11

Well, let us say, as our point of departure, that Anas al-Sharif celebrated the attacks of Oct. 7th while they were ongoing and thus he is a member of Hamas - and I'm going to set to one side for a minute whether or not I dispute that, and whether or not one follows the other.

Is that a death sentence? Are we really saying that writing the words "9 hours and the heroes are still roaming the country killing and capturing... God, God, how great you are" is a justification for killing a person? There is no account of the ethics of war - legal or discursive - under which a person becomes liable for expressing in words support for an act (even ones which are war crimes) within an IAC.

If your account of liability in war is so broad that you would include demonstrations of support as being grounds for liability, then all that any government ever needs to do to kill someone is make a plausible case that they were a supporter of terrorism. (And indeed, here we are, at the point where the wholesale destruction of Gaza finds its justification in the necessity to prevent and punish terrorism - this, as an aside, is an example of the doctrine of Kriegsraison, which was previously laid to rest by the judgements of the Nuremberg trials, but which has seen an operational re-emergence since the second Iraq war)

This is a very dangerous and slippery slope, wherein terrorism (defined, as it can be and is, unilaterally by states - and, as Chomsky notes, terrorism is usually used to describe violence which isn't approved of by the west, e.g. British proscription of PA) can be used as a justification to kill outside of the norms of liability in IAC.

Being a supporter of, or indeed even a member of, a proscribed organisation does not alone confer liability. And the reason for that should be obvious: were war to break out tomorrow between Palestine and the U.K., then the proscription of Palestine Action would allow the U.K. military to kill all of the people, mostly pensioners, who were arrested on Saturday for holding up signs expressing their support for the proscribed organisation.

The important point here is not whether he was a member of Hamas, or - as is being suggested here - spoke in support of the al-Qassam brigades (the militant wing of Hamas, bearing in mind that Hamas is primarily a civil and administrative body, not a military body). The important point is whether being a member of Hamas, or even speaking in support of the al-Qassam brigades, makes killing you allowable or justifiable under the rules of war. Alone, it does not. Not under any account of the ethics of war, legal or discursive.

Yes, three decades of scholarship in counter-insurgency and asymmetrical warfare has laid the groundwork for the killing of non-combatants who are members of terrorist groups. But even within the broadest frameworks, and here I would point to the reductive individualists (e.g. J. McMahan, H. Frowe) who reject the principle of separation (that the rules of war and the rules of the conduct in war are logically separated), mere membership of a group does not confer liability.

DrPrunesqualer · 11/08/2025 11:11

Kakeandkake · 11/08/2025 11:04

Yes those repeated unfounded accusations you keep posting do 'reek of desperation' as you said.

Twister constantly posted by the same selection of mumsnetters as some sort of gotcha. 🤣 To me it just shows an inability to actually read the news.

Twiglets1 · 11/08/2025 11:12

EmeraldShamrock000 · 11/08/2025 10:51

How many children are in IDF prisons on terrorist charges, how many have been murdered, branded human shields, accused of hiding hamas, murdered seeking food, excuses to justify the deaths of 1000s of innocent children.

You haven’t answered my question.

Who (on MN) has said all Gazans are terrorists including children? Because that is what you claimed.

To my knowledge, no one has so I consider that untrue

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Kakeandkake · 11/08/2025 11:12

ConscientiousObserver · 11/08/2025 11:09

Well they have totally discredited themselves.

How embarrassing.

The CPJ's statement is embarrassing? Why?
Why do you find it embarrassing?

DrPrunesqualer · 11/08/2025 11:14

Cinnyris · 11/08/2025 11:11

Well, let us say, as our point of departure, that Anas al-Sharif celebrated the attacks of Oct. 7th while they were ongoing and thus he is a member of Hamas - and I'm going to set to one side for a minute whether or not I dispute that, and whether or not one follows the other.

Is that a death sentence? Are we really saying that writing the words "9 hours and the heroes are still roaming the country killing and capturing... God, God, how great you are" is a justification for killing a person? There is no account of the ethics of war - legal or discursive - under which a person becomes liable for expressing in words support for an act (even ones which are war crimes) within an IAC.

If your account of liability in war is so broad that you would include demonstrations of support as being grounds for liability, then all that any government ever needs to do to kill someone is make a plausible case that they were a supporter of terrorism. (And indeed, here we are, at the point where the wholesale destruction of Gaza finds its justification in the necessity to prevent and punish terrorism - this, as an aside, is an example of the doctrine of Kriegsraison, which was previously laid to rest by the judgements of the Nuremberg trials, but which has seen an operational re-emergence since the second Iraq war)

This is a very dangerous and slippery slope, wherein terrorism (defined, as it can be and is, unilaterally by states - and, as Chomsky notes, terrorism is usually used to describe violence which isn't approved of by the west, e.g. British proscription of PA) can be used as a justification to kill outside of the norms of liability in IAC.

Being a supporter of, or indeed even a member of, a proscribed organisation does not alone confer liability. And the reason for that should be obvious: were war to break out tomorrow between Palestine and the U.K., then the proscription of Palestine Action would allow the U.K. military to kill all of the people, mostly pensioners, who were arrested on Saturday for holding up signs expressing their support for the proscribed organisation.

The important point here is not whether he was a member of Hamas, or - as is being suggested here - spoke in support of the al-Qassam brigades (the militant wing of Hamas, bearing in mind that Hamas is primarily a civil and administrative body, not a military body). The important point is whether being a member of Hamas, or even speaking in support of the al-Qassam brigades, makes killing you allowable or justifiable under the rules of war. Alone, it does not. Not under any account of the ethics of war, legal or discursive.

Yes, three decades of scholarship in counter-insurgency and asymmetrical warfare has laid the groundwork for the killing of non-combatants who are members of terrorist groups. But even within the broadest frameworks, and here I would point to the reductive individualists (e.g. J. McMahan, H. Frowe) who reject the principle of separation (that the rules of war and the rules of the conduct in war are logically separated), mere membership of a group does not confer liability.

Excellent post Cinnyris !

ConscientiousObserver · 11/08/2025 11:14

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Twiglets1 · 11/08/2025 11:15

DrPrunesqualer · 11/08/2025 11:11

Twister constantly posted by the same selection of mumsnetters as some sort of gotcha. 🤣 To me it just shows an inability to actually read the news.

Come on - you were the one who posted something from Iran TV yesterday or the day before that was classified by media bias check as low credibility.

Try reading mainstream UK news yourself.

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