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Why is the BBC playing Hamas propaganda as fact?

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Notmycircusnotmyotter · 27/07/2025 22:20

We know the photo of the emaciated child was misleading - he had cancer, he wasn't being starved.

Images of adults - especially men - show there is no lack of food expect where Hamas is hoarding it.

The death / injury figures have been outright lies.

israel is providing food an area that's run by people who want to destroy them - and where the death of Jewish hostages including babies was applauded.

It's awful for both sides. Why is the BBC behaving like this wasn't kicked off my murderous Islamist psychopaths who want to see every Jew removed from the Middle East?

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Igotjelly · 30/07/2025 09:02

SpaceRaccoon · 30/07/2025 07:12

https://www.jpost.com/israel-news/article-862513

COGAT states one of the children seen in the images, has a serious genetic illness and they co-ordinated his evacuation to Italy for treatment.

So in answer to @TooBigForMyBoots question, yes you do think it’s all a hoax? Honestly I despair.

Even if 1 child was shown to have other medical conditions that impacted his physical health, there are hundreds of such images.

Mumsnet are allowing this utter nonsense to remain and should be absolutely ashamed of themselves.

Igotjelly · 30/07/2025 09:34

SpaceRaccoon · 30/07/2025 09:33

https://www.jpost.com/middle-east/article-862397

An IDF soldier's first hand account of an incident reported as a civilian massacre.

Do you have any links that aren’t directly from the mouths of those being accused of war crimes?

SpaceRaccoon · 30/07/2025 09:59

"Ex-US contractor who accused IDF of war crimes at aid sites ‘falsified documents’ to spread ‘false narrative,’ GHF says, sharing evidence"

https://www.timesofisrael.com/liveblog-july-30-2025/#liveblog-entry-3609562

Bumblebee72 · 30/07/2025 10:04

If Israel isn't committing war crimes then Netanyahu should go and rebuke the evidence at the ICC.

NigelPonsonbySmallpiece · 30/07/2025 10:09

Notmycircusnotmyotter · 27/07/2025 23:09

Happy to say it out loud @TooBigForMyBootsthis is not a genocide. It's a country reacting to terrorists (holding hostages) that want to see it destroyed

Genocide denying is as bad as holocaust denying.

Of course Hamas should give the hostages back. Of course the Oct 7th attacks shouldn't have happened. But the civilians of Palestine shouldn't be getting treated like this.

Igotjelly · 30/07/2025 10:23

NigelPonsonbySmallpiece · 30/07/2025 10:09

Genocide denying is as bad as holocaust denying.

Of course Hamas should give the hostages back. Of course the Oct 7th attacks shouldn't have happened. But the civilians of Palestine shouldn't be getting treated like this.

In future this will almost certainly be described as a genocide. Oct 7th was awful and I have nothing but the utmost sympathy for the hostages and their families but it doesn’t condone systematically destroying an entire population.

Igotjelly · 30/07/2025 10:23

If there is no genocide and no forced starvation then Israel would let internationally respected journalists do their work and report directly from Gaza.

farewellperformance · 30/07/2025 10:25

Why doesn't Isreal allow international journalist in Gaza?

TooBigForMyBoots · 30/07/2025 11:53

SpaceRaccoon · 30/07/2025 07:12

https://www.jpost.com/israel-news/article-862513

COGAT states one of the children seen in the images, has a serious genetic illness and they co-ordinated his evacuation to Italy for treatment.

Newflash: Sick and disabled children are also effected by starvation and genocide in Gaza.

OneNeatBlueOrca · 31/07/2025 01:14

Cadenza12 · 27/07/2025 22:23

Because people can see what's happening with their own eyes which is impossible to deny. Plus of course international journalists are not allowed in.

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If journalists arent allowed in who is providing the details we apparently can see with our own eyes - Hamas!

Papayatropics · 31/07/2025 01:28

Notmycircusnotmyotter · 27/07/2025 22:28

Why is everyone so upset about Gaza but not Sudan or China?

I have been wondering the same thing. The BBC and other media outlets don’t care anywhere near as much to show the deprivation going on there.

Moulook31 · 31/07/2025 07:47

At present the Israeli govt. has banned the press from entering Palestine. How can the world judge without seeing and why are they banned. If world leaders have seen it fit to drop emergency food from the air into another country then something must be terribly wrong in that country. As much as people deny starvation is happening in Palestine we cannot accept it is not without show of proof. The Israelis must let the press in to see what is happening otherwise no point in trying to deny these people are not being starved or accusing others of not being truthful about crimes happening in Palestine.

SharonEllis · 31/07/2025 08:58

Igotjelly · 30/07/2025 10:23

In future this will almost certainly be described as a genocide. Oct 7th was awful and I have nothing but the utmost sympathy for the hostages and their families but it doesn’t condone systematically destroying an entire population.

However awful it is (and it is) you can't just say things like they are 'sytematically destroying a whole population'. I thought the argument was that Israel's actiins were indiscriminate. They can't be indiscrminate and systematic. And the whole pooulation is not being destroyed.

MrsGuyOfGisbo · 31/07/2025 09:12

Papayatropics · 31/07/2025 01:28

I have been wondering the same thing. The BBC and other media outlets don’t care anywhere near as much to show the deprivation going on there.

This.
Because Starmer’s useless government just pander to their pro-Hamas constituents, and the BbC are complicit.

SpaceRaccoon · 31/07/2025 09:13

" The UN itself admits that 87% of its 2,010 food trucks in Gaza between May 19–July 29 were hijacked by armed groups (Hamas)."

https://x.com/EYakoby/status/1950745650364117348

https://x.com/EYakoby/status/1950745650364117348

Papayatropics · 31/07/2025 09:26

@Notmycircusnotmyotter

In recent years the BBC has been ideologically captured in so many ways and no longer provides the unbiased, high quality news reports it used to, about a decade ago.

I find this to be the case when reporting on Israel/Gaza as much as it was deeply polarized when writing about trans. I think its editors or whoever are now from a generation who have been taught to look at the world in terms of oppressed and oppressor and have clearly labeled and picked their side in all issues.

I find it to be a complete waste of time to watch any form of news on it because it’s just barely one notch above propaganda on a good day.

Wedonttalkaboutboris · 31/07/2025 09:54

Apologies if someone has already shared this- but taken from @purpletablet ‘s thread on

‘BBC's Gaza Coverage: New Report
Reveals Deep Bias’:

I've just read the 2023-24 report by the Centre for Media Monitoring (CMM), and it raises some serious concerns about how the BBC has covered Israel's war on Gaza.
The report analysed over 3,800 BBC articles and 32,000 broadcast segments. Despite a 34:1 death ratio between Palestinians and Israelis, BBC coverage gave Israeli deaths far more attention, used much more emotive language, and consistently personalised Israeli victims while depersonalising Palestinians.

Some key points that stood out:

  • Israeli deaths were mentioned 33 times more per person than Palestinian deaths in BBC articles
  • The word "murdered" was used over 200 times for Israelis, but just once for Palestinians
  • Presenters echoed Israeli perspectives 11 times more than Palestinian ones
  • Historical context like occupation or blockade was mentioned in less than 1% of coverage
  • Genocide claims were repeatedly shut down or ignored, despite being raised in international courts

They also compared this to the BBC's Ukraine coverage, where victims were humanised, civilian deaths highlighted, and military justifications questioned far more frequently.
This isn't just about bias in tone. It's about shaping how the public understands the conflict and who is seen as human and worthy of sympathy.

Wedonttalkaboutboris · 31/07/2025 09:55

Also- thanks for this @mixedmetals

“a fascinating article in Haaretz from one of the only historians studying the Gaza Strip, Jean-Pierre Filiu. He spent a month there in Dec 2024 and describes what he saw in the Gaza Strip.”

"Even though I have been in a number of war zones in the past, from Ukraine to Afghanistan, via Syria, Iraq and Somalia, I have never, but never, experienced anything like this... Now I understand why Israel is denying the international press access to such an appalling scene."

http://archive.today/hlOcA

Pinty · 31/07/2025 09:56

Children are dying and people are starving
It's not propaganda.

Wedonttalkaboutboris · 31/07/2025 09:58

SpaceRaccoon · 31/07/2025 09:13

" The UN itself admits that 87% of its 2,010 food trucks in Gaza between May 19–July 29 were hijacked by armed groups (Hamas)."

https://x.com/EYakoby/status/1950745650364117348

This is misinformation and NOT what the report says.

I’ve gone through the official UN2720 reports for May and June 2025, and here’s what they actually show:

• From May–June, around 1,420 UN aid trucks were delivered into Gaza.

• Of those, 1,255 trucks (88%) were either “looted or self-distributed” — meaning they didn’t reach their intended civilian delivery points.

• But crucially, the UN does not say 80% of food was stolen, and they definitely don’t say it was taken specifically by “Hamas-affiliated looters.”

• In fact, the language used is neutral: “looted or self-distributed,” and includes cases where desperate civilians offloaded food themselves due to collapse of state structures and ongoing siege.

So yes, delivery breakdown is a huge issue, but the claim that they “were hijacked by armed groups (Hamas).” is not backed by the documents you cited. The UN doesn’t frame it in those political terms and certainly doesn’t pin blame in the way you’re suggesting.

The UN does not blame Hamas-affiliated looters in any official capacity. In fact, no actors are named. The claim that looting was done by “Hamas-affiliated looters” comes from third-party commentary (e.g. Chuck Holton, OSINT Telegram channels, or highly partisan interpretations), not from the UN itself.

SpaceRaccoon · 31/07/2025 10:17

The UN does not blame Hamas-affiliated looters in any official capacity. In fact, no actors are named. The claim that looting was done by “Hamas-affiliated looters” comes from third-party commentary (e.g. Chuck Holton, OSINT Telegram channels, or highly partisan interpretations), not from the UN itself.

So who is the blame? The trucks are unlikely to loot themselves.

Wedonttalkaboutboris · 31/07/2025 10:21

SpaceRaccoon · 31/07/2025 10:17

The UN does not blame Hamas-affiliated looters in any official capacity. In fact, no actors are named. The claim that looting was done by “Hamas-affiliated looters” comes from third-party commentary (e.g. Chuck Holton, OSINT Telegram channels, or highly partisan interpretations), not from the UN itself.

So who is the blame? The trucks are unlikely to loot themselves.

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It reflects a collapsed civil infrastructure and a security vacuum under siege. Civilians have offloaded trucks out of desperation; some may have been intercepted by armed actors. But jumping from “aid didn’t arrive” to “Hamas stole it all” is pure speculation- unless your source actually verifies that.

Wedonttalkaboutboris · 31/07/2025 10:34

If Hamas is stealing all the aid, where is it?

After months on the ground, Israel has yet to provide verified footage or evidence of massive stockpiles, warehouses, or intercepted humanitarian convoys. Israel has had months of ground operations, surveillance, and intelligence inside Gaza, yet no verified footage, no major seizures, no real evidence of mass diversion.

Independent UN agencies like OCHA and UNRWA have repeatedly reported on the dire situation in Gaza but have found no proof of large-scale diversion of aid by Hamas.

What we have seen are:

  • bombed aid trucks,
  • blocked deliveries,
  • civilians desperately scrambling for food, water, and medical supplies in the chaos.
  • UN and NGO warehouses bombed or emptied under fire
  • Reports from Doctors Without Borders and the World Food Programme confirm severe shortages caused by conflict and restrictions- not theft.

If Hamas is hoarding or stealing all medical supplies, where are the stockpiles?

Instead, what we do have is:

  • WHO officials blocked from delivering anaesthetic and oxygen
  • IDF strikes hitting hospitals, warehouses, and aid convoys
  • Surgeons describing the total breakdown of supply chains due to siege, not theft

Even Israel’s own statements focus on “dual-use concerns,” not confirmed theft.

Humanitarian leaders, including the UN Secretary-General, have emphasized that claims of aid diversion cannot justify starving civilians or blocking life-saving aid.

LakesLovely123 · 05/10/2025 19:54

TooBigForMyBoots · 28/07/2025 12:25

Sick children are starving too. The effects of starvation on children with chronic conditions is horrifying.

It's utterly sickening people who use the excuse that a child had a health condition so was more affected by the starvation than a healthy child so it's fine and no one should complain or put their pictures in the newspapers. What on earth. I saw a picture little girl with celiac disease her family were watching as she wasted away. Utterly horrendous. Imagine if we were to excuse starving a child in the UK because they had a pre-existing health condition.

How can people be so callous.