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Why is the BBC playing Hamas propaganda as fact?

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Notmycircusnotmyotter · 27/07/2025 22:20

We know the photo of the emaciated child was misleading - he had cancer, he wasn't being starved.

Images of adults - especially men - show there is no lack of food expect where Hamas is hoarding it.

The death / injury figures have been outright lies.

israel is providing food an area that's run by people who want to destroy them - and where the death of Jewish hostages including babies was applauded.

It's awful for both sides. Why is the BBC behaving like this wasn't kicked off my murderous Islamist psychopaths who want to see every Jew removed from the Middle East?

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WhereYouLeftIt · 28/07/2025 12:34

TooBigForMyBoots · 28/07/2025 12:25

Sick children are starving too. The effects of starvation on children with chronic conditions is horrifying.

But the only images we are being bombarded with are of such children, not images of typical children.

Do you not ever think 'Am I being manipulated here?'. 'Do these carefully-selected images represent the reality?' In short - 'is it propaganda, and I'm falling for it?'

To be blunt - if there was genuine starvation, they wouldn't have to use photos of Yemen and disabled children. That they do makes me very wary.

inamarina · 28/07/2025 12:38

TooBigForMyBoots · 28/07/2025 12:25

Sick children are starving too. The effects of starvation on children with chronic conditions is horrifying.

That’s not the point though.
Of course sick children will be suffering most of all, hardly anyone will deny that.
But why use pictures of sick children without mentioning their underlying conditions and basically present them as previously healthy children badly affected by malnourishment?

TooBigForMyBoots · 28/07/2025 12:41

You're wrong there @WhereYouLeftIt. We are seeing many, many, malnourished snd starving children. At food distribution points, moving with their families and all their belongings. Again. And not just children. We have seen multiple images of malnourished adults too.

That starvation hits the weakest in our society, the sick, the disabled, the young with immature or compromised immunity, etc, the hardest, shouldn't be a surprise to anyone.

DancefloorAcrobatics · 28/07/2025 13:04

Do you not ever think 'Am I being manipulated here?

Of course we are manipulated. The issue is, some people are more adapt to reading between the lines than others.

I believe the Palestinian population IS suffering, Israel and it's cronies are not distributing aid effectively.

I don't need images of sick & staving children to come to this conclusion.

The IDF have targeted aid workers and journalists under the disguise of it being a mistake or it's a Hamas hot-spot.... bla bla bla bla..

These images are real but are also allowed to be published because all the suffering in Gaza can easily be discredited as oh the DC is terminally ill ect. - as this thread shows.

The sad thing is, doesn't this child deserve treatment in a fit for purpose hospital. Don't the doctors deserve to have all the tools of modern medicine at their disposal, to at least make this child more comfortable?

crumblingschools · 28/07/2025 13:13

@WhereYouLeftIt do you not think there are starving children in Gaza? Do you think all children with chronic health conditions in Gaza are getting all the medical treatment they need, that there are plentiful medical supplies, all hospitals are in tact? Maybe if Israel let other reporters in we would get other pictures?

OpheliaWasntMad · 28/07/2025 13:20

DancefloorAcrobatics · 28/07/2025 13:04

Do you not ever think 'Am I being manipulated here?

Of course we are manipulated. The issue is, some people are more adapt to reading between the lines than others.

I believe the Palestinian population IS suffering, Israel and it's cronies are not distributing aid effectively.

I don't need images of sick & staving children to come to this conclusion.

The IDF have targeted aid workers and journalists under the disguise of it being a mistake or it's a Hamas hot-spot.... bla bla bla bla..

These images are real but are also allowed to be published because all the suffering in Gaza can easily be discredited as oh the DC is terminally ill ect. - as this thread shows.

The sad thing is, doesn't this child deserve treatment in a fit for purpose hospital. Don't the doctors deserve to have all the tools of modern medicine at their disposal, to at least make this child more comfortable?

Yes - this poor child is also a victim. His life would at least more tolerable in peacetime.
I think it’s wrong to use this suffering family either to manipulate the truth about the extent of famine - or as a way of suggesting the hunger of healthy children is not real.
Maybe the mother shouldn’t have allowed her child’s condition to be misrepresented but in her desperation she was clinging to any straw that could help.
The Palestinians civilians ( who are not linked to Hamas) are starving and in desperate conditions and it’s wrong for anyone to dispute that.
I don’t think the word genocide is being correctly used . I don’t think it should be used as if it’s an established fact without proper investigation when the conflict is over. But I do think Netanyahu’s strategy is appallingly and unnecessarily brutal.

TooBigForMyBoots · 28/07/2025 13:45

Do you not ever think 'Am I being manipulated here?'

Often. So I try to be careful about what I post. I dont want to be responsible for spreading anyone's disinformation.

The children pictured are suffering from starvation. That they are disabled or sick shouldn't matter a jot. The children we see in other images show the the effects starvation is having on their previously healthy bodies. Their parents risk being killed to get them food.

The people of Gaza are starving.

Do you ever think Am I being manipulated here? Particularly when someone tries to turn real suffering in war into a culture war against the BBC and other organisations.

Echobelly · 28/07/2025 13:55

Yes, I often consider if I am being manipulated, in either direction. And I've come to the conclusion it is very clear deliberate starvation is being created in Gaza. Even aid workers and reporters are reporting hunger and difficulty getting food, there is more than enough evidence.

I don't automatically believe any bad thing about Israel, I have for example, discounted obviously altered supposed social media posts from IDF soldiers aimed at creating outrage and that kind of thing.

Sometimes I've got it wrong and when people make that clear I will apologise and be more careful. But much of the time, as could be the case with this photo (haven't seen enough context to make a judgement) the fact remains that it doesn't change the reality of the overall situation.

ComeAsYouAreAsAFriend · 28/07/2025 14:31

The issue for me is that this picture had to be shown at all. That the testimonials from doctors with what they were dealing with, the blockade of aid, the daily mounting death toll of people being shot collecting aid, the evidence from aid agencies on the increasing number of children presenting with malnourishment, the 300 or so children who have already died of starvation which is now become a daily recorded death toll, was not enough to get those with influence to act. No it took a picture of a starving child which is now being used by the deniers to discredit the reality.

TooBigForMyBoots · 28/07/2025 21:54

ComeAsYouAreAsAFriend · 28/07/2025 14:31

The issue for me is that this picture had to be shown at all. That the testimonials from doctors with what they were dealing with, the blockade of aid, the daily mounting death toll of people being shot collecting aid, the evidence from aid agencies on the increasing number of children presenting with malnourishment, the 300 or so children who have already died of starvation which is now become a daily recorded death toll, was not enough to get those with influence to act. No it took a picture of a starving child which is now being used by the deniers to discredit the reality.

I agree with you that it should not have taken these images to wake the rest of the world into understanding starvation.

The sight of an emaciated child starving to death is powerful. As it should be! It kicks us out of our own heads and into reality. It forces us to look. And then look again at the malnourished children still alive but facing imminent death unless they are fed soon.

Looking away helps no one.
Denial helps no one.

Dangermoo · 29/07/2025 07:21

DancefloorAcrobatics · 28/07/2025 13:04

Do you not ever think 'Am I being manipulated here?

Of course we are manipulated. The issue is, some people are more adapt to reading between the lines than others.

I believe the Palestinian population IS suffering, Israel and it's cronies are not distributing aid effectively.

I don't need images of sick & staving children to come to this conclusion.

The IDF have targeted aid workers and journalists under the disguise of it being a mistake or it's a Hamas hot-spot.... bla bla bla bla..

These images are real but are also allowed to be published because all the suffering in Gaza can easily be discredited as oh the DC is terminally ill ect. - as this thread shows.

The sad thing is, doesn't this child deserve treatment in a fit for purpose hospital. Don't the doctors deserve to have all the tools of modern medicine at their disposal, to at least make this child more comfortable?

I don't see much reading between the lines in your own post. It's blatantly ALL Israel's fault, food isn't being distributed according to you.

mids2019 · 29/07/2025 07:26

Yes. Where is Hamas getting food from for its soldiers - the question should be asked. Why do we see plenty of young men with no sign of malnutrition. The sight of starving people is a provocative one and that is the point - Hamas know such pictures move public opinion so will be the utmost use of this propaganda tool.

mouthpipette · 29/07/2025 18:19

Echobelly · 28/07/2025 12:33

Op, if you think this kind of attitude helps Israel or fights antisemitism, you're kidding yourself.

As a Jew it makes me want to scream that so many of us, at least the most vocal ones, think that decrying facts reported by multiple sources are just Hamas propaganda, or that criticism has to be antisemitism, not the fact that Israel is an ally who the UK aided and abetted in all of this.

The way to support a future for Israel is to call this out and make it clear that this is wrong and it does not have to be this way. Otherwise what are we saying? That it's necessary for Israel to be this murderous and cruel in order to exist?

The way to combat antisemitism is to show that Jews will not tolerate what Israel is doing and that we are moral people who feel the suffering of others.

Exactly, for too long the Jews that abhor Israel's actions have let themselves be shouted down by those who believe that Israel can do little or no wrong. It's time for Jews who care about Israel to try to steer the country away from the brutal and murderous path that it's currently following. Just as important, is for us to reiterate that Israel's inhumane actions do not reflect Jewish values and that currently Israel, by calling itself a Jewish State is bringing disgrace upon Judaism.

Unfortunately, Netanyahu cares not one jot about Judaism, his own skin is far more important to him so he doesn't really care how the Jewish State is perceived

TooBigForMyBoots · 29/07/2025 19:35

mouthpipette · 29/07/2025 18:19

Exactly, for too long the Jews that abhor Israel's actions have let themselves be shouted down by those who believe that Israel can do little or no wrong. It's time for Jews who care about Israel to try to steer the country away from the brutal and murderous path that it's currently following. Just as important, is for us to reiterate that Israel's inhumane actions do not reflect Jewish values and that currently Israel, by calling itself a Jewish State is bringing disgrace upon Judaism.

Unfortunately, Netanyahu cares not one jot about Judaism, his own skin is far more important to him so he doesn't really care how the Jewish State is perceived

That is unfair. Many Israeli Jews have spoken up and taken legal measures, risking their own safety, to challenge Netenyahu.

Google Crime Minister. Many Israelis have not been passive, nor do they support the actions of Netanyahu's far right government.

Igotjelly · 29/07/2025 20:52

Some people need to take a good hard look at themselves. Are the UN experts that said today that famine is happening in Gaza Hamas plants too? https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cvgvxgl5zxpo.amp People are starving, FACT.

Palestinians wait for food at a charity kitchen in Gaza City, northern Gaza (28 July 2025)

Famine 'currently playing out' in Gaza, UN-backed experts warn - BBC News

It comes as aid agencies warn Israel's recent measures to increase aid supplies are not enough.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cvgvxgl5zxpo.amp

WhereYouLeftIt · 29/07/2025 21:44

UN Experts?

Back in May, Tom Fletcher, the UN's humanitarian chief, claimed 14,000 babies in Gaza would die in the next 48 hours unless the UN could get in there. Total bollocks, but very emotive and his claim swept around the world.

From a BBC article at the time - "It highlighted a report from the Integrated Food Security Phase Classification (IPC) which stated 14,100 severe cases of acute malnutrition are expected to occur among children aged six to 59 months between April 2025 and March 2026. The IPC report says this could take place over the course of about a year - not 48 hours."

I guess this UN chief thought 'malnutrition' wasn't as punchy as 'death', 'children aged 6-59 months' not as dramatic as 'babies', 'a year' not as immediate as 'the next 48 hours'. But I'm sure he's an expert.

As I've already said - I don't know what to believe. All I can do is not take things as read, to consider who is saying it, what vested interests they might have, whether it passes a sanity check, what seems likely in a war zone. All wars are carried out by propaganda as well as on the ground. Hamas have shown themselves to be very skilled at this, as has Israel.

Palestinians gather for a hot meal at a food distribution point in the Nuseirat camp for refugees in the central Gaza Strip on May 21, 2025. Gazans waited desperately for vital supplies on May 21 after Israel said it let in dozens of UN trucks but face...

UN says no aid yet distributed in Gaza as international pressure on Israel mounts

Israel agreed on Sunday to allow a "basic amount of food" to enter Gaza, where global experts have warned of a looming famine.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/crk2264nrn2o

Elrae · 29/07/2025 21:52

Does thus website realise the damage it does to itself by leaving this drivel up?

Igotjelly · 29/07/2025 21:59

WhereYouLeftIt · 29/07/2025 21:44

UN Experts?

Back in May, Tom Fletcher, the UN's humanitarian chief, claimed 14,000 babies in Gaza would die in the next 48 hours unless the UN could get in there. Total bollocks, but very emotive and his claim swept around the world.

From a BBC article at the time - "It highlighted a report from the Integrated Food Security Phase Classification (IPC) which stated 14,100 severe cases of acute malnutrition are expected to occur among children aged six to 59 months between April 2025 and March 2026. The IPC report says this could take place over the course of about a year - not 48 hours."

I guess this UN chief thought 'malnutrition' wasn't as punchy as 'death', 'children aged 6-59 months' not as dramatic as 'babies', 'a year' not as immediate as 'the next 48 hours'. But I'm sure he's an expert.

As I've already said - I don't know what to believe. All I can do is not take things as read, to consider who is saying it, what vested interests they might have, whether it passes a sanity check, what seems likely in a war zone. All wars are carried out by propaganda as well as on the ground. Hamas have shown themselves to be very skilled at this, as has Israel.

Whether you believe everything that comes out of the UN, Oxfam, Red Crescent, WHO etc etc in their entirely is besides the point. The evidence of war crimes and starvation as a weapon of war is overwhelming. If even some of the stories are true, and I have no doubt that they are, then it’s absolutely unacceptable.

But of course let’s just take the piss out of women carrying their dead children in bin liners because why couldn’t they have used their headscarves.

Igotjelly · 29/07/2025 22:01

So would it be more acceptable if it’s children ages 5 suffering from chronic malnutrition. Maybe not as punchy but to my mind equally as horrific.

Igotjelly · 29/07/2025 22:20

SpaceRaccoon · 29/07/2025 22:16

Israeli sources saying Qatari money is behind the starvation claims:

https://www.israelnationalnews.com/news/412391

Any other sources for this?

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Superfoodie123 · 29/07/2025 22:35

SpaceRaccoon · 29/07/2025 22:16

Israeli sources saying Qatari money is behind the starvation claims:

https://www.israelnationalnews.com/news/412391

Does anyone believe Israel any more? Lol not a reputable source aren't they considered a joke to most people

TooBigForMyBoots · 29/07/2025 22:43

SpaceRaccoon · 29/07/2025 22:16

Israeli sources saying Qatari money is behind the starvation claims:

https://www.israelnationalnews.com/news/412391

Do you deny starvation is happening in Gaza @SpaceRaccoon? Do you really think it's nothing but a Qatari funded conspiracy?🤯