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50 Jewish children kicked off plane, female supervisor allegedly beaten to the ground and handcuffed!

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Anonimummy · 25/07/2025 20:38

Another shocking act of global antisemitism.

50 French Jewish kids aged 10-15 apparently attended a summer camp in Spain.

On the flight back to France, before takeoff while plane still on tarmac, they were accused of being rowdy and singing ‘Death to Arabs’ in Hebrew (no evidence they were saying that). Police were called, they were told to get off and their 21 year old female supervisor ended up being beaten to the ground and forcibly handcuffed.

According to witnesses on the plane, the children stopped singing when asked and were well behaved, and nothing was amiss. The crew made a tannoy announcement that there were security concerns and police entered the plane and told the kids to get off. The female supervisor was ordered to make the kids hand over their phones so footage of them being removed from the plane could be deleted and she was beaten to the ground and handcuffed when she refused. The Captain allegedly said Israel was a terrorist state.

She later had to sign an NDA to be released.

The Captain has been identified as being a flying instructor for two of the 9/11 plane hijackers.

WTAF!

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/world-news/2025/07/24/jewish-schoolchildren-kicked-off-plane-singing-hebrew-songs/?s=09

https://x.com/JewsFightBack/status/1948787040088457336

https://x.com/SwordOfSalomon/status/1948384151222030596

https://x.com/igaln/status/1948794852285517877

https://x.com/SwordOfSalomon/status/1948384151222030596

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dogcatkitten · 26/07/2025 14:52

Presumably they would have been kicked off the plane whatever religion they belonged to if they were tampering with equipment and not obeying the cabin crew. The title should be 50 French students...

Not everything is to do with the Palestine conflict or antisemitism sometimes it's just bad behaviour.

MyDearEagle · 26/07/2025 14:53

MrsSkylerWhite · 26/07/2025 14:49

Probably not a bad idea. There are plenty of verifiable sources. Perhaps only they ought to be relied upon.

Okay folks, no more talking about the situation in Gaza. We have to wait until the international courts have weighed in and confirmed who, if anyone, has committed any war crimes or other wrongdoing.

Catch you all in a few years.

MyDearEagle · 26/07/2025 14:55

dogcatkitten · 26/07/2025 14:52

Presumably they would have been kicked off the plane whatever religion they belonged to if they were tampering with equipment and not obeying the cabin crew. The title should be 50 French students...

Not everything is to do with the Palestine conflict or antisemitism sometimes it's just bad behaviour.

Yes, but they have strongly denied that (including layering up and initiating a complaint) and it seems various independent witnesses have come forward in support.

It'd be pretty wild of them to go so public with a false story that could likely be easily debunked by cctv, but we'll see.

MrsSkylerWhite · 26/07/2025 14:56

I’m all for listening to kids but I also don’t understand what possible motive a commercial enterprise would have to refuse to carry people based on their ethnicity? That would be a disastrous financial model.

It will be very interesting to find out the actual sequence of events in the course of time.

MyDearEagle · 26/07/2025 14:58

MrsSkylerWhite · 26/07/2025 14:52

The airline is alleging otherwise. Best to wait until facts are established, surely?

That generally is not the approach this forum, the press, or anywhere else takes when serious allegations are made - and you're in various other threads making allegations (many that I'm sympathetic to, but that's not the point).

Why are you singling out these children's allegations to be ignored-until-proven?

MrsSkylerWhite · 26/07/2025 14:59

MyDearEagle · 26/07/2025 14:55

Yes, but they have strongly denied that (including layering up and initiating a complaint) and it seems various independent witnesses have come forward in support.

It'd be pretty wild of them to go so public with a false story that could likely be easily debunked by cctv, but we'll see.

If a group of kids were behaving badly and their supervisors losing control, is it so beyond belief that a story might be concocted when they were caught out?

MyDearEagle · 26/07/2025 14:59

MrsSkylerWhite · 26/07/2025 14:56

I’m all for listening to kids but I also don’t understand what possible motive a commercial enterprise would have to refuse to carry people based on their ethnicity? That would be a disastrous financial model.

It will be very interesting to find out the actual sequence of events in the course of time.

This might shock you to hear, but some people are racist.

PocketSand · 26/07/2025 15:00

The party was disembarked for some reason. Obviously it will be contested as airlines sue these days when their business operation is compromised at great cost.

It costs tens of thousands of pounds and disrupts the travel plans of 100s. Airline staff might not be able to meet following duties, ongoing flights may be disrupted due to the plane being in the wrong place etc. The airline staff would have to justify their actions and the involvement of security staff if passengers resisted. It is a big deal financially and practically.

To imagine this action would be taken as a consequence of antisemitic beliefs of an individual (like the pilot) is beyond reason. To imagine that all crew and the airline in general is willing to disrupt their organisational operation because of corporate antisemitic beliefs is also beyond reason.

The most likely explanation is that disembarkation was for a valid reason rather than an ideological belief.

Unless you already believe in global antisemitism in which case you as an individual are primed to see discrimination and evil intent everywhere. And as a sad consequence see evil against ‘enemies that want to destroy you’ and all their countrymen and offspring as justified.

Spotthering · 26/07/2025 15:01

Dangermoo · 26/07/2025 14:43

That's where I agree and disagree. People are saying Hamas are using children as collateral damage, when it's Israel, who is accused of the exact same. I don't believe all I see and read on the humanitarian crisis. I'm not calling what I see as a conspiracy theory. Thats just my description of my view. Hamas have outed themselves as having zero credibility. You will of course say you feel the same about Israel. I never have and never will trust the word of proscribed terrorists. Evil, devious and manipulative don't accord with my search for the truth.

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I don’t blame you for not believing what Hamas says. Just as I don’t believe any of Israel’s excuses for the things they do. But to me, the difference is Hamas is a terrorist organisation - their interests are their own. Israel is meant to be a civilised society with one of the world’s most advanced intelligence systems. The onus is on Israel, as the stronger power, to ensure, at the very least, no war crimes are carried out. That they continue to do so, makes it lose any credibility in what it does.

But either way, Israel is governed by a war mongering madman in the form of Netanyahu together with others who hate Palestinians. I’m not sure he’s any better than Hamas.

MrsSkylerWhite · 26/07/2025 15:02

MyDearEagle · 26/07/2025 14:58

That generally is not the approach this forum, the press, or anywhere else takes when serious allegations are made - and you're in various other threads making allegations (many that I'm sympathetic to, but that's not the point).

Why are you singling out these children's allegations to be ignored-until-proven?

I’m not singling out these children! What I am is somewhat sceptical of the reason behind starting a thread based on pure speculation. Something that MN frowns upon generally.

Im fairly familiar with the site. Been here since the beginning.

Please will you apologise for your accusation?

TooBigForMyBoots · 26/07/2025 15:02

Anonimummy · 26/07/2025 11:55

What proofs?

The pics of ill children with their obviously not starving parents?

The thousands of tonnes of aid rotting in the sun that the UN has been refusing to distribute?

I have quite a good ability to differentiate between bullshit and fact, thanks.

You have zero ability to differentiate bullshit and facts. Indeed your post shows ignorance of the basic biological facts around starvation in adults and children.

You think Palestinian parents are starving their children?

MyDearEagle · 26/07/2025 15:03

MrsSkylerWhite · 26/07/2025 14:59

If a group of kids were behaving badly and their supervisors losing control, is it so beyond belief that a story might be concocted when they were caught out?

Not beyond belief, but I wouldnt think it likely given the availability of witnesses and (presumably) camera footage.

The fact that the independeny witnesses that have come forward are supporting the kids further makes me think this might be true - but it is too early to say.

The fact that Spain's transport minister then called them "Israeli brats" isn't exactly painting Spain's transportation workers in the best light either.

Dangermoo · 26/07/2025 15:04

MrsSkylerWhite · 26/07/2025 14:48

Do you really not see that Netanyahu is equally evil, devious and manipulative as Hamas leaders?

I think it might depend on whether one believes he is genuinely protecting his own people. I am of that belief but I'm not afraid to admit it; I don't necessarily agree with all his methods. On the other hand, I have no hesitation in believing Hamas care nothing for their people. That makes it easier for my stance on this conflict. There's also the matter of me not believing all Palestinian civilians, are exactly that. Having said that, because of its complexity, I don't believe any of us can be wrong or right - only Muslims and Jews can have a deep understanding - scholars can assert their thoughts, but their work conflicts with other scholars. but Just my opinion.

MrsSkylerWhite · 26/07/2025 15:04

Spotthering · 26/07/2025 15:01

I don’t blame you for not believing what Hamas says. Just as I don’t believe any of Israel’s excuses for the things they do. But to me, the difference is Hamas is a terrorist organisation - their interests are their own. Israel is meant to be a civilised society with one of the world’s most advanced intelligence systems. The onus is on Israel, as the stronger power, to ensure, at the very least, no war crimes are carried out. That they continue to do so, makes it lose any credibility in what it does.

But either way, Israel is governed by a war mongering madman in the form of Netanyahu together with others who hate Palestinians. I’m not sure he’s any better than Hamas.

Spot on. The blood of so many is on his hands. All to keep himself and his corrupt colleagues out of prison. I hope he is arrested the next moment he sets foot outside of the protection of Israel.

MrsSkylerWhite · 26/07/2025 15:05

Dangermoo · 26/07/2025 15:04

I think it might depend on whether one believes he is genuinely protecting his own people. I am of that belief but I'm not afraid to admit it; I don't necessarily agree with all his methods. On the other hand, I have no hesitation in believing Hamas care nothing for their people. That makes it easier for my stance on this conflict. There's also the matter of me not believing all Palestinian civilians, are exactly that. Having said that, because of its complexity, I don't believe any of us can be wrong or right - only Muslims and Jews can have a deep understanding - scholars can assert their thoughts, but their work conflicts with other scholars. but Just my opinion.

I believe he protecting himself, his wife and certain equally corrupt colleagues, no one else.

Otherwuse, I mostly agree with you 🤷‍♀️

MrsSkylerWhite · 26/07/2025 15:06

MyDearEagle · 26/07/2025 15:03

Not beyond belief, but I wouldnt think it likely given the availability of witnesses and (presumably) camera footage.

The fact that the independeny witnesses that have come forward are supporting the kids further makes me think this might be true - but it is too early to say.

The fact that Spain's transport minister then called them "Israeli brats" isn't exactly painting Spain's transportation workers in the best light either.

Your last paragraph is another matter altogether. If that’s what he said, he should be sacked.

Dangermoo · 26/07/2025 15:07

MrsSkylerWhite · 26/07/2025 15:05

I believe he protecting himself, his wife and certain equally corrupt colleagues, no one else.

Otherwuse, I mostly agree with you 🤷‍♀️

Thank you for a polite response.

MyDearEagle · 26/07/2025 15:08

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Anonimummy · 26/07/2025 15:09

There was also the allegation that the pilot said Israel is a terrorist state, despite the group not being Israeli.

Which could be related to the allegation that the camp Director was told to make the kids hand over their phones so any video evidence could be deleted, and when she refused was allegedly hit and manhandled to the floor to be aggressively hand cuffed……….

I would expect that there would be evidence of the 21 year old female Camp Director being aggressive and threatening, to the extent that that treatment was justified.

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Custardanddreams · 26/07/2025 15:10

https://abcnews.go.com/International/wireStory/french-authorities-investigate-jewish-passengers-removed-flight-due-124094048

Looks like there is an investigation underway. We should find out soon enough what actually happened.

I think the airline should show proof if they have it - of the reasons they removed them off the plane.

If it comes out they were heavy handed, they should own up and apologise.

French authorities investigate if Jewish passengers were removed from flight due to religion

French authorities want to find out whether a group of young French citizens were removed from a plane because they were Jewish

https://abcnews.go.com/International/wireStory/french-authorities-investigate-jewish-passengers-removed-flight-due-124094048

Meadowfinch · 26/07/2025 15:10

Anonimummy · 25/07/2025 21:27

So from the responses, posters on here would be OK with 50 French Arab Muslim children, who have nothing to do with the Palestinians, being forcibly kicked off a plane by Spanish armed police for saying something in Arabic, and their young female supervisor being beaten to the ground and forcibly put into handcuffs because she refused to hand over the kids phones, because of what Hamas did on Oct 7th?

You also wouldn’t believe the children or witnesses that they weren’t being disruptive, despite there being no evidence that they were?

I wonder how many answers I’ll get to that……….

I would be happy for any group of badly behaved and dangerously disruptive teenagers to be disembarked. The airline's duty is to maintain safety of their flight, for the benefit of all.

They acted as they should. Well done, to the airline and crew.

MrsSkylerWhite · 26/07/2025 15:11

“You think Palestinian parents are starving their children?”

I asked this question of OP either earlier here or in another thread where similar disgusting insinuations were very obviously being made by him/het, can’t remember which thread now.

Hope you receive an answer, @TooBigForMyBoots
because I didn’t.

MrsSkylerWhite · 26/07/2025 15:13

Anonimummy · 26/07/2025 15:09

There was also the allegation that the pilot said Israel is a terrorist state, despite the group not being Israeli.

Which could be related to the allegation that the camp Director was told to make the kids hand over their phones so any video evidence could be deleted, and when she refused was allegedly hit and manhandled to the floor to be aggressively hand cuffed……….

I would expect that there would be evidence of the 21 year old female Camp Director being aggressive and threatening, to the extent that that treatment was justified.

Again, allegedly. Just wait until the facts are established 🤯

Spotthering · 26/07/2025 15:13

MrsSkylerWhite · 26/07/2025 15:11

“You think Palestinian parents are starving their children?”

I asked this question of OP either earlier here or in another thread where similar disgusting insinuations were very obviously being made by him/het, can’t remember which thread now.

Hope you receive an answer, @TooBigForMyBoots
because I didn’t.

That is what she seemed to suggest when she said she’s seen images of starving children with not so starving parents.

I guess those Palestinians always find ways to sacrifice their children right.

MyDearEagle · 26/07/2025 15:15

Custardanddreams · 26/07/2025 15:10

https://abcnews.go.com/International/wireStory/french-authorities-investigate-jewish-passengers-removed-flight-due-124094048

Looks like there is an investigation underway. We should find out soon enough what actually happened.

I think the airline should show proof if they have it - of the reasons they removed them off the plane.

If it comes out they were heavy handed, they should own up and apologise.

Good to see the French government taking it serious, and the airline are being pressed for evidence.