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50 Jewish children kicked off plane, female supervisor allegedly beaten to the ground and handcuffed!

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Anonimummy · 25/07/2025 20:38

Another shocking act of global antisemitism.

50 French Jewish kids aged 10-15 apparently attended a summer camp in Spain.

On the flight back to France, before takeoff while plane still on tarmac, they were accused of being rowdy and singing ‘Death to Arabs’ in Hebrew (no evidence they were saying that). Police were called, they were told to get off and their 21 year old female supervisor ended up being beaten to the ground and forcibly handcuffed.

According to witnesses on the plane, the children stopped singing when asked and were well behaved, and nothing was amiss. The crew made a tannoy announcement that there were security concerns and police entered the plane and told the kids to get off. The female supervisor was ordered to make the kids hand over their phones so footage of them being removed from the plane could be deleted and she was beaten to the ground and handcuffed when she refused. The Captain allegedly said Israel was a terrorist state.

She later had to sign an NDA to be released.

The Captain has been identified as being a flying instructor for two of the 9/11 plane hijackers.

WTAF!

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/world-news/2025/07/24/jewish-schoolchildren-kicked-off-plane-singing-hebrew-songs/?s=09

https://x.com/JewsFightBack/status/1948787040088457336

https://x.com/SwordOfSalomon/status/1948384151222030596

https://x.com/igaln/status/1948794852285517877

https://x.com/SwordOfSalomon/status/1948384151222030596

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TooBigForMyBoots · 28/07/2025 11:45

Jujujudo · 27/07/2025 22:13

Also I didn’t read the comment that was deleted. I’ve no idea what you wrote.

I once again recommended you reread your own posts.

notimagain · 28/07/2025 12:57

on thread info

Antisemitism collective Nous-Vivrons held a demo at Orly yesterday to protest against Vueling's reported actions.

It-s one thing getting the politicians involved...if it escalates to the collectives and syndicats starting to kick up a stink.....

Link to French language article:

https://nous-vivrons.fr/action/vueling-juifs-ou-israeliens-ca-ne-justifie-rien/

Vueling, juifs ou israéliens, ça ne justifie rien !

Vueling, juifs ou israéliens, ça ne justifie rien ! - Collectif Nous vivrons

Le 24 juillet, des enfants de 12 à 15 ans d'une colonie de vacances juive, sont évacués brutalement de leur vol retour de Valence de la compagnie Vueling, et

https://nous-vivrons.fr/action/vueling-juifs-ou-israeliens-ca-ne-justifie-rien

Jujujudo · 28/07/2025 13:12

TooBigForMyBoots · 28/07/2025 11:45

I once again recommended you reread your own posts.

I did reread them. The only discrepancy I can see was when I said there were more Christians in tel Aviv than in Gaza. I wasn’t being facetious, there is a huge Christian community in Tel Aviv and several churches including a beautiful Greek Orthodox one in Jaffa - I used to teach in a Christian school in tel Aviv when I went for a year as a teacher. Again i didn’t see your deleted post but I am a grown up and unless you or anyone else is racist towards me, I am able to have a discussion with differences of opinion. Many many Gazan Christians have been persecuted since Hamas become their governing body and many of them received visas and some citizenship when they escaped into Israel to avoid it. Of around 10m people who live in Israel (I’m not including the WB) only around 6m are Jewish. The rest are made up of Muslims, Druze, Christians, Baha’i and many atheists. I’m happy to continue this discussion with you and won’t be reporting any responses.

Dangermoo · 28/07/2025 13:27

notimagain · 28/07/2025 12:57

on thread info

Antisemitism collective Nous-Vivrons held a demo at Orly yesterday to protest against Vueling's reported actions.

It-s one thing getting the politicians involved...if it escalates to the collectives and syndicats starting to kick up a stink.....

Link to French language article:

https://nous-vivrons.fr/action/vueling-juifs-ou-israeliens-ca-ne-justifie-rien/

Edited

Good - glad to see this protest.

ParmaVioletTea · 28/07/2025 17:26

Many many Gazan Christians have been persecuted since Hamas become their governing body and many of them received visas and some citizenship when they escaped into Israel to avoid it. Of around 10m people who live in Israel (I’m not including the WB) only around 6m are Jewish. The rest are made up of Muslims, Druze, Christians, Baha’i and many atheists.

The more this awful awful war goes on, the more I think Israel has been positioned to do the West & the rest of the Middle East's dirty, dangerous work, to get rid of Hamas.

No-one else in the ME (except the Palestinians) was prepared to take on Hamas, even after the murdering butchers attacked Israel. Yet all of the rest of the ME want Hamas gone. Look at the way Egypt & Jordan have systematically refused to take Palestinian refugees for a very long time. Israel is trying to root out Hamas, and the rest of the world wants them to do so, but they're not lifting a finger to help. And on top of it, pointing fingers at Israel as the aggressor ...

MrsSkylerWhite · 28/07/2025 21:26

Lolapusht · 28/07/2025 11:36

Yes. Mention of her absolutely negates all the previous arguments regarding thousands upon thousands of people glorifying death and actively welcoming martyrdom for themselves and their children.

Well done.

She glorifies the death of Palestinians.

Point is. extremists exist on both sides of the divide. Most Israeli parents don’t wish harm to come to their children (or anyone else’s), the obvious exception being people like Weiss and other illegal settlers who force their children to live in squalor in tents on illegally occupied land because their desire to see Palestinians wiped out cans their land stolen appears to supersede their care for their children. Likewise, Hamas leaders and soldiers are prepared to sacrifice children. The vast majority of Palestinian parents are prepared to do no such thing.

Both fanatical groups as evil as each other. Do you agree?

Lolapusht · 29/07/2025 09:41

I do agree.

The fanatics are evil.

The issue comes when there are a multitude of Islamic fundamentalists compared to a comparatively tiny number of Israeli fundamentalists. I’d also argue that one group considers torture and barbarity as a normal way of getting things done while the other doesn’t.

Just a reminder, in talking about the millions of Islamic fundamentalists compared to the number of WB settlers. Only one group is responsible for the miserable existence of Afghani woman, honour killings, genocide of the Yazidi, 9/11, Manchester arena, child marriage etc, etc, etc.

So yeah, Daniella Weiss is awful.

Lolapusht · 29/07/2025 15:13

MrsSkylerWhite · 28/07/2025 21:26

She glorifies the death of Palestinians.

Point is. extremists exist on both sides of the divide. Most Israeli parents don’t wish harm to come to their children (or anyone else’s), the obvious exception being people like Weiss and other illegal settlers who force their children to live in squalor in tents on illegally occupied land because their desire to see Palestinians wiped out cans their land stolen appears to supersede their care for their children. Likewise, Hamas leaders and soldiers are prepared to sacrifice children. The vast majority of Palestinian parents are prepared to do no such thing.

Both fanatical groups as evil as each other. Do you agree?

Also, what’s your basis for this assertion “The vast majority of Palestinian parents are prepared to do no such thing”?

Have you done a survey? Seen survey results? Chatted to the vast majority of Palestinian parents?

MrsSkylerWhite · 29/07/2025 23:39

Lolapusht · 29/07/2025 15:13

Also, what’s your basis for this assertion “The vast majority of Palestinian parents are prepared to do no such thing”?

Have you done a survey? Seen survey results? Chatted to the vast majority of Palestinian parents?

WTF?

You are seriously suggesting my assertion is wrong? That Palestinian parents are happy to sacrifice their children.

When someone shows you who they are, believe them.

SomeWomanSomewhere · 29/07/2025 23:49

MrsSkylerWhite · 29/07/2025 23:39

WTF?

You are seriously suggesting my assertion is wrong? That Palestinian parents are happy to sacrifice their children.

When someone shows you who they are, believe them.

It is a long-standing, deeply racist, very orientalist, dehumanising trope.

But it is a trope.

TooBigForMyBoots · 29/07/2025 23:51

Lolapusht · 29/07/2025 15:13

Also, what’s your basis for this assertion “The vast majority of Palestinian parents are prepared to do no such thing”?

Have you done a survey? Seen survey results? Chatted to the vast majority of Palestinian parents?

You believe that Palestinian parents willingly starve themselves and their children? That Palestinians are an anomaly within humans?

That's a big claim that needs big evidence.

No nationality, no religion, no culture chooses famine.Hmm

Spotthering · 30/07/2025 03:16

Lolapusht · 29/07/2025 15:13

Also, what’s your basis for this assertion “The vast majority of Palestinian parents are prepared to do no such thing”?

Have you done a survey? Seen survey results? Chatted to the vast majority of Palestinian parents?

Ah yes. Those Palestinians are such savages. Their hatred of Jews goes down to their very core. They don’t care about children like the rest of humanity does.

And this is a perfect example of how Palestinians are dehumanised to justify their suffering and slaughter. This is how a genocide gets support.

Spotthering · 30/07/2025 03:52

Lolapusht · 29/07/2025 09:41

I do agree.

The fanatics are evil.

The issue comes when there are a multitude of Islamic fundamentalists compared to a comparatively tiny number of Israeli fundamentalists. I’d also argue that one group considers torture and barbarity as a normal way of getting things done while the other doesn’t.

Just a reminder, in talking about the millions of Islamic fundamentalists compared to the number of WB settlers. Only one group is responsible for the miserable existence of Afghani woman, honour killings, genocide of the Yazidi, 9/11, Manchester arena, child marriage etc, etc, etc.

So yeah, Daniella Weiss is awful.

Islamic fanatics are a problem and have caused a lot of hatred and death in the world, but not everything listed is exclusive to them.

Child marriage exists even amongst Jews:

https://www.kveller.com/a-14-year-old-israeli-girl-was-saved-from-child-marriage/

https://www.timesofisrael.com/police-break-up-ultra-orthodox-underage-wedding-in-jerusalem/amp/

Honour killings are also an issue amongst the Sikh and Hindu communities, especially in India.

So not quite right to say only one group responsible for those two issues. But they are responsible for a lot.

DeftShaker · 30/07/2025 04:30

Spotthering · 30/07/2025 03:16

Ah yes. Those Palestinians are such savages. Their hatred of Jews goes down to their very core. They don’t care about children like the rest of humanity does.

And this is a perfect example of how Palestinians are dehumanised to justify their suffering and slaughter. This is how a genocide gets support.

This feels thorny to weigh into, so let my preface it by saying that I am convinced that the cause of the widespread starvation is Israel's blockade. I do not believe there is some mass decision being made by Palestinians to starve their children, and all available evidence points towards Israel's actions as the cause. Some of the comments seen on other threads have been appalling.

The stakes are also so high that, even if someone were to lean towards thinking it is some twisted Hamas propaganda, the moral thing to do is end the blockade - the cost of being wrong is too high.

But, in their recent post at least (I dont track who says what on each thread), Lolapusht didnt seem to be talking about the current starvation in particular, but about martyrdom more generally. Obviously the response to her post has been strong condemnation, but I fear there's a material disconnect.

Belief in martyrdom is very prevalent in Palestinian society. Several books have been written on the topic, but I'll leave a wiki link (there is a notation on the link that the neutrality of the article is disputed, so do bear that in mind:
en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Martyrdom_in_Palestinian_society ).

Over the last quarter century, most polls by the Palestinian Center for Policy and Survey Research and Pew Research Center have, for example, shown around 70% support for suicide bombings (though one from the late 2010s showed a drop to barely-above one third).

There is no available data as to what % of parents in Palestine would be proud if their own child was a martyr, but there are academic studies on the coexistence of pride and grief in Palestinian parents so bereaved, so I don't think its some abstract or fringe issue.

Most societies have, at least at times, seen sacrifice for the greater good as extremely admirable. This is more prevelant in highly religious societies, and particularly in Islam (where the concept is particularly prominent in theology). Naturally, its also far more prevalent during times of war and occupation.

I - of course - don't think that Palestinians are inherently more likely to support martyrdom by their own children, but that its largely a product of faith and circumstances. If you grew up there, you'd probably be radicalized too, and most (if not all) Palestinians were born into hardship and a legacy of trauma.

(And yes, Jewish Israelis have their own legacy and experiences of trauma).

Dehumanization is a huge (and bilateral) issue in this conflict but its also one of the things that worries me most about what is unfolding, and the motives of Netanyahu and those in his orbit (as some have voiced.) If the current conflict stopped tomorrow, Palestinians would (understandly) be more radicalized than ever, such has been the extreme severity of Israel's response. That Israel persists nonetheless could be due to wanting the safe return of the hostages, but you have to worry that those making the decisions are counting on Palestinian radicalization not being a problem because there may be no more Palestinians in Gaza.

notimagain · 30/07/2025 07:54

<<For those still following the subject of the thread>>

The discussion between authorities continues.

Vueling released a holding statement a couple of days ago English language version in image below, hope it's readable.

They are sticking with their version of events.

Like myself and others it appears they were somewhat surprised at a crewmember's name getting into the public domain.

The flag image that was doing the rounds is not mentioned - it seems clear that image wasn't taken on the incident aircraft and it's a complete fabrication that is maybe understandable Vueling don't mention it.

if OTOH it's is an image taken on another Vueling aircraft on another flight that might open another can of worms for the company so I suspect they'd happily hope that that aspect of this story gets forgotten.

50 Jewish children kicked off plane, female supervisor allegedly beaten to the ground and handcuffed!
DeftShaker · 30/07/2025 18:30

notimagain · 30/07/2025 07:54

<<For those still following the subject of the thread>>

The discussion between authorities continues.

Vueling released a holding statement a couple of days ago English language version in image below, hope it's readable.

They are sticking with their version of events.

Like myself and others it appears they were somewhat surprised at a crewmember's name getting into the public domain.

The flag image that was doing the rounds is not mentioned - it seems clear that image wasn't taken on the incident aircraft and it's a complete fabrication that is maybe understandable Vueling don't mention it.

if OTOH it's is an image taken on another Vueling aircraft on another flight that might open another can of worms for the company so I suspect they'd happily hope that that aspect of this story gets forgotten.

Edited

I appreciate the update.

I would add that I don't know whether the flag photo is genuine but I wouldnt take its non-mentioning in Vueling's interim statement as indicative either way.

notimagain · 30/07/2025 18:54

DeftShaker · 30/07/2025 18:30

I appreciate the update.

I would add that I don't know whether the flag photo is genuine but I wouldnt take its non-mentioning in Vueling's interim statement as indicative either way.

Agreed.

I think the general feeling is that the flag image, is questionable but if genuine, was not taken on the aircraft involved in the offload incident..I've seen the image and with best efforts I can't really read the aircraft registration..I know where to look to find it and there is a registration, but what it is
.???

If it is taken on another Vueling aircraft that was actually in service (e.g. on a turnaround) then that raises other awkward questions so I can understand Vueling simply not wanting to mention the image at all.

DeftShaker · 30/07/2025 19:05

notimagain · 30/07/2025 18:54

Agreed.

I think the general feeling is that the flag image, is questionable but if genuine, was not taken on the aircraft involved in the offload incident..I've seen the image and with best efforts I can't really read the aircraft registration..I know where to look to find it and there is a registration, but what it is
.???

If it is taken on another Vueling aircraft that was actually in service (e.g. on a turnaround) then that raises other awkward questions so I can understand Vueling simply not wanting to mention the image at all.

As far as I can tell, there's no way of discerning the authenticity of the photo.

I'm suspicious of its authenticity for two reasons: (1) if the disembarked group were forced to delete videos from their phones, they'd have had to conceal the photo (and seemingly, only that photo) fron the police, and (2) nobody from the group itself seems to have asserted its authenticity (publicly, at least).

I do think its a real (as in, not photoshopped) photo, and it doesnt seem to have been published anywhere before the incident. It could, though, be a staged photo from a different plane.

I'm inclined to think it isn't "genuine" but that's a hunch.

(My hunch is also that - at minimum - the group were treated harshly due to antisemitism. Even if the kids' behavior wasn't perfect, it'd need to be persistent and belligerent to justify what occurred - I'd love to know how often groups of similarly aged children are forceably disembarked, then allowed to take a later flight).

notimagain · 30/07/2025 19:32

@DeftShaker

Way I see it ATM.

Flag - Don't know.

Offload- For all sorts of reasons (including internal company politics) Vueling simply have to continue to back up the crew decision...so the last statement comes as no suprise.

However...whilst there may well have been grounds to offload a few individuals it's really tough to see how they are going to justify a forced offload of the whole party - it smacks of collective punishment...

I don't get involved in this stuff anymore but I think back in the day when I did if the cabin crew boss had suggested offloading 25% of the customers there would certainly have been a mutual discussion along the lines of: "everybody?Are you sure? Because whilst we have the power to do this we might have to justify why we didn't just chuck off the trouble makers"...

Be interesting to see if any more gets revealed.

Lonelycrab · 30/07/2025 21:40

It is good to read posts actually relevant to the particular incident.

One thing I’ve looked at is; is it allowed to video the Gardia Civil carrying out their duties? Answer, not always and footage can often be deleted if it meets certain criteria.

The other thing that strikes me in this case is that the Vueling staff, the pilots and all the ground crew will have essentially have to have fabricated all the claims in the press releases, and the company stood behind this fabrication despite the likelihood of a possible legal challenge.. The cabin and ground areas (wrt to the claimed rowdy/unlawful) disembarkation will be covered with cctv.
Is it likely that a complete and coordinated fabrication has taken place, when there will surely be evidence to check those claims?

Am withholding any judgement but these two facts seem difficult to get past.

notimagain · 31/07/2025 07:52

@Lonelycrab

Just as a point of info...

The cabin and ground areas (wrt to the claimed rowdy/unlawful) disembarkation will be covered with cctv.

I wouldn't assume there is CCTV of the cabin (i.e. the general passenger seating area).

Of course some individuals might have camera phone footage.

ConscientiousObserver · 05/08/2025 10:41

Jewish passengers on an Iberian Airlines Flight to Spain (part of Vuelings group) reportedly served kosher meals with Free Palestine written on them.

How are they getting away with this?

https://x.com/HenMazzig/status/1952652239203389583

https://x.com/HenMazzig/status/1952652239203389583

notimagain · 05/08/2025 11:11

ConscientiousObserver · 05/08/2025 10:41

Jewish passengers on an Iberian Airlines Flight to Spain (part of Vuelings group) reportedly served kosher meals with Free Palestine written on them.

How are they getting away with this?

https://x.com/HenMazzig/status/1952652239203389583

I guess this is stating the obvious but if this is genuine then the culprits are either in the food preparation company (which may be a sub-contractor, and someone there has taken a pen to all the Kosher special meals) or cabin crew on the actual flight..

Edit to add that I'd be surprised if the cabin crew didn't spot what was on the foils when prepping or actually serving the meals if they were specials.

Martymcfly24 · 05/08/2025 11:26

ConscientiousObserver · 05/08/2025 10:41

Jewish passengers on an Iberian Airlines Flight to Spain (part of Vuelings group) reportedly served kosher meals with Free Palestine written on them.

How are they getting away with this?

https://x.com/HenMazzig/status/1952652239203389583

Just a quick question that food is in the tray is prepared by Osem an Israeli food company supplying airlines. It does not supply food to Iberia airlines so is the information in the post correct. I could be incorrect on this so I was wondering if you could clarify.