France recognises Palestine

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A big deal.
Macron said

The urgent thing today is that the war in Gaza stops and the civil population is saved

https://www.euronews.com/my-europe/2025/07/24/macron-anuncia-que-franca-ira-reconhecer-estado-da-palestina

Bang on. Well said. 👏

Casual blood libel, why not eh

https://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/haaretz-today/2025-05-21/ty-article/.highlight/its-not-a-disgraceful-antisemitic-blood-libel-to-say-israel-is-killing-babies-in-gaza/00000196-edcb-d86e-abb7-fdfb11270000

No, Israel has never had a stated policy or national goal to annihilate Palestine or deny Palestinians the right to exist. In fact, Israel has repeatedly offered statehood - most notably in 1947, 2000, and 2008 - in exchange for peace, all of which were rejected.

Israel’s official position has consistently been the pursuit of a two-state solution under the right conditions, including security guarantees.

Unlike Hamas and factions of the Palestinian leadership, Israel’s founding documents, national policy, and public declarations do not call for the destruction of another people or nation.

several members of Netanyahu’s cabinet have openly called for the destruction of Gaza.
look - it is possible to condemn hamas and also condemn the Israeli government. People act as though that’s such a hard thing to do but it really isn’t. Both are extremists.
and hamas may say they want to destroy Israel but let’s face it, they can’t. Israel on the other hand is one of the worlds biggest military superpowers underwritten by the world’s biggest military superpower. I think the whole thing about this being a ‘war’ - it’s not a war. It’s an annihilation of a population.

No they haven’t stated that, but as the saying goes actions speak louder than words, and they are indeed annihilating Gaza.

Only in May did Bezalel Smotrich state “victory for Israel in Gaza would mean the Palestinian territory being "entirely destroyed" before its inhabitants depart for other countries”

Hamas probably do want to destroy Israel, but we all know they don’t have the means to do it and so do Israel. This “war” isn’t an equal fight and the people who are getting hurt are not Hamas or the Israeli government its innocent Palestinians in the THOUSANDS.

Israeli’s who are protesting their own government are being arrested, and the rest are afraid to speak out. Jews are afraid to leave the house in the UK for fear of attack, this is what Israeli’s government has done to Jewish people and Israeli people.

Netanyahu doesn’t have an arrest warrant out for his arrest from the ICC for no reason.

But it’s clear your blind loyalty to Israel clouds you from seeing their wrongs.

The other significant thing about it is that it is a shift away from France just falling into line behind the US on the issue.

Which is good. The US is just as responsible for what is happening in Gaza. Hopefully other countries will have the confidence now to break with the US on the matter.

Israel’s official position has consistently been the pursuit of a two-state solution under the right conditions, including security guarantees.

Unlike Hamas and factions of the Palestinian leadership, Israel’s founding documents, national policy, and public declarations do not call for the destruction of another people or nation.

People are constantly trying to cite words of one nutcase. It's bad faith.

Only one side has been engaged in seeking the destruction of the other. It's fundamentally dishonest to pretend otherwise.

Nobody says war is an equal fight. There's no war rule that says if people repeatedly attack you, brutally murder your citizens, kidnap them, rape them - that you can't stop them from ever doing it again. The problem here isnt that it'd not an equal fight, it's that those losing refuse to surrender because their citizens dying is a win fir them.

Well at least you realise that Israel is targeting civilians @Voxon . There is some hope for you.

“Israel’s founding documents, national policy, and public declarations do not call for the destruction of another people or nation.“

Yet, this is exactly what the Israeli government is doing.

Those things are of course terrible and sickening! I’m not saying Hamas are innocent but Israel Gov and the IDF have just as much, if not more blood on their hands.

You’re a fool to think the IDF haven’t committed atrocities, we’ve all seen them shooting children like cattle

I don't think I have ever met someone before who things babies are an acceptable target. It is amazing what people will justify in the names of fictious "gods".

What are you talking about. I really hope @MNHQ Are going to start clamping down on this now. It's ridiculous. Between personal attacks and the twisting of posters" words.

These discussions are always murky about whether Gazans support Hamas or not. If its suggested they do, then all hell breaks loose because its highlighted how much of a victim the Gazan population is, not just of Hamas but of Israel too of course and that they mustnt be held accountable or part of attacks because its Hamas that need to be targeted because they in no way represent what Hamas represent.

On the other hand if its suggested they dont, all hell breaks loose because of course Hamas were voted in, legit and the Gazans have the right to be led by people who are rightly avenging the stolen land and mistreatment, illtreatment and violence against the population, so why wouldnt they rise up and hope that Hamas fights for them

I never know which it is.

At least I think its clearer that most Israelis support the strikes against Gaza and that therefore this is fairly heinous.

I'm just commenting on a poster who wrote: "'Terrorist babies' are raised to hate. It's the mothers I feel sorry for, who are subservient and accept their fate." No twisting of words, just amazement from me that anyone would consider a baby to be a terrorist.

By the way I don't see this as something you have to be pro one side or the other. I'm anti the Hamas terrorist attacks and anti the retaliatory baby killing. Two wrongs don't certainly don't make a right in this case. I think both sides are disgraceful.

OK, so babies are not raised to be terrorists. Full stop. I would love to think so, anyway.

Jews are afraid to leave the house in the UK for fear of attack, this is what Israeli’s government has done to Jewish people and Israeli people.

Er..... no. This is what antisemites and racists have done.

Cool - so you'd probably agree that pre-emptively killing them "just in case" is not right.

I was horrified to hear a British doctor explaining how the IDF have a game of where to shoot kids. Is this a head shot or gut shot day?

Yes sorry I do agree racists and anti-semites are at fault for that, I should have worded it better, my opinion is that the Israeli gov has made it worsen. Some people cannot separate their anger and disgust with governments from the countries people.

Why would someone post something like this.

Why have you posted something like this?

What do you think?

Oh yes, lets kill babies king herod style, just in case. I dont want that baby growing up to be a wrong un.

What about all those babies born to right wing activists, thugs, criminals, in the UK (and elsewhere). Growing up in households where hate of anything different, blacks, gays, women, disabled, you name it.

Lets double check, because there's room for doubt, lets double check if people 'probably agree' that pre emptively killing them just in case isnt right.

Im really not sure I know the answer to be honest. Is it yes or no?