How is forced starvation allowed?

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The top story in the BBC right now is the starvation of Gazans by Israel. The images are horrifying and not dissimilar to seeing those images of concentration camps in Nazi Germany. I cried seeing those and am crying now. I am sure someone will claim antisemitism because of this statement, but anyone looking at these images of starving children would agree.

How is this still going on? I feel like we are watching a genocide take place that the world has turning a blind eye to. The daily shooting by Israel of people trying to get aid too is just barbaric. If nothing is being done to stop this, what is the next horror that will unfold in the world that people will just accept?

www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/ce9xkx7vnmxo

i was pointing out that perhaps it wasn’t Hamas support that had become mainstream but actually the view that killing children wasn’t acceptable.

Netanyahu and many members of Hamas also have children. I also have children. I don’t think that means anything when discussing politics (unless your children are directly affected by the issue).

Oh is that what you were trying to do? I thought you were outing yourself as someone who cared more about some bloke called Chuck than you do 2million people living under forced starvation.

Because she described Israel as good in the battle between ‘good and evil’ and I couldn’t understand her reasoning behind this label so sought clarification on her views.

You know why op. Israel is untouchable.

I find that an extreme view that it could be a mainstream position that killing children is ok.

Netanyahu holds extreme views and Hamas much more so. No reason to assume that the person you were debating with has a casual approach to children's deaths.

Just because some of us blame Hamas overall and some of us blame Netanyahu and his government overall, it doesn't mean we don't have a normal horror of children dying in a war.

Not quite what I meant - she said that her children were horrified that supporting Hamas had become mainstream and I said that I think what actually has become mainstream is the outrage re innocent death after the photos were shared by various news outlets and that I struggle to see Israel being labelled ‘good’.

I appreciate your need for clarity and I’m happy to answer any questions but I am more interested in @Anonimummy reasoning why Israel deserves the label ‘good’. Or if you’d like to continue to speak on their behalf, if you share this view and if you do, why?

Really? You thought she might have been referring to Palestinian children?

Again, no, that’s not what I said. @Anonimummy said that it has become mainstream to support Hamas. I suggested that what had become mainstream was concern for the many Palestinian children who are currently starving following photos being shared in the media. I was seeking to understand how she could label Israel as good when they played a significant role in the famine (plus the killing of children in the last 18months) and that I hoped that she didn’t view them as subhuman too as I cannot understand how you can know about the death of all those children and still label Israel as ‘good’ when they have played a role in those deaths.

As I said, I’m happy to clarify or reiterate my point but it would be nice if someone could answer the question I keep asking re labelling Israel (specifically their government and the actions of their army) ‘good’ so I can better understand that perspective.

Everyone recognises that terrible food situation in Israel, and call on Israel to release food. Making it up, my arse.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/cx2l2wk3zx0t

“82% of Jews in Israel favor deporting Gaza residents”

www.haaretz.co.il/magazine/2025-05-22/ty-article-magazine/.highlight/00000196-f3a3-d6d3-ab9e-f3bbf6070000

That’s quite a high amount for people who say that the Israeli public isn’t support the government’s decisions

The pictures I have just seen flashed up on the BBC news are the images of pure evil. Just shocking. Shame on the utter bastards who allowed or carried out that.

You should have a look at the protests going on in Tel Aviv. Doesn't fit the narrative though unfortunately.

Do you think this isn’t true? I hope it isn’t. It seems like a very hopeless situation if it was. I heard a journalist based in Tel Aviv on the radio today who was talking about the Tel Aviv protests and said that many of the protesters are saying that the people they speak to had no idea about the starvation that was happening in Gaza and were shocked by the images.

He said the mainstream media in Israel does not show these images we are seeing here.

This is really all it boils down to. Israel have a free pass.

I heard someone from the small protests against child starvation in Israel say the same, he said that there are only 3 channels and none of them show it. The presenter was as skeptical as me, he pointed out that they have the same Internet as the rest of us. 100s of 1000s of people protesting across the world against it but the people who live in the country whose government is doing it are just ignorant of the situation? Call me cynical but you'd have to be amongst the world's least curious people to not try and find out what your government is doing across the fence from you that's making the world so angry.

Now it’s unfair to call them small. There seems to be 10’s of thousands protesting now and I fully support them. I know it’s hard to understand how the population don’t see it. But you see on here all the time, people fully believe that criticism’s of Israel are based and propaganda.

I don't know about today but prior to today the protests that actually mention the starvation of children/the treatment of Palestinians rather being solely Israeli focused have only had a few 100 people take part. That's small. I know there have been far larger protests that don't mention the inhumane treatment of Palestinians and are solely focused on the hostages/soldiers/israelis. Maybe that's changed, i don't know but as a few days ago the protests that mention the treatment of the Palestinian people were tiny.

Here is an example from Tuesday this week.
www.haaretz.com/israel-news/2025-07-23/ty-article/.premium/no-victory-over-the-bodies-of-children-israelis-march-against-starvation-war-in-gaza/00000198-33ef-d96b-a5ff-ffffbea80000

https://www.bbc.com/news/videos/cgq7qpqz27qo

I know people will be there for various reasons ect: but ultimately an anti war protest on this scale can only be a good thing.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/videos/cgq7qpqz27qo

The BBC have covered the protests today.

Sure if Israelis finally stand up and manage to stop the war that's fantastic no matter their motivations. It isn't necessarily a sign of compassion towards Palestinians that shows that they are anti ethnic cleansing as is being claimed above though.

There were thousands in Tel Aviv protesting.

I have addressed that.

Many holding placards with photos etc of what is happening in Gaza. Despite that you still say it isn't 'necessarily a sign of compassion'.
What do you believe it is then?

I believe that the majority of Israelis feel that this conflict isn't serving them and they would be right. Hostages still in Gaza, soldiers being killed and traumatised and bad pr around the world.

Actually edited because I've phrase that wrong, I believe the majority of Israelis protesting believe that this conflict isn't serving them.